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TMS
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1/23/2010  5:20 AM
progress... u hear that Boston?
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1/23/2010  8:49 AM
Last year, the team went through a lot more in terms of changing players mid season, the marbury drama and getting to know each other.

Honestly, given that we added talent and started the season off with everyone getting camp together, there is no way we should be similar to last season record wise.

I mean maybe it would be ok if Douglas and Hill were getting time, but they're not.

And add to this that we've had an easy first half of the season - not sure what our first half was like last year- and then that this year the east seems much worse than last year (see Nets & Sixers), its actually, IMHO, really dubious that we're not better than last year.

And the 1 & 9 start doesn't get thrown out- its exhibit A in WTF were you thinking Mike D'Antoni!

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1/23/2010  9:53 AM
djsunyc wrote:just curious but do you think jamal + zach on the court made duhon a better player (in terms of spacing and help defense by the opposition) while the players on the court now don't?

Wasn't Duhon playing very good ball well beyond those trades? I also recall that those games were very easy opponents who all seemed to have their key player(s) out. I don't make much of that 6-5 start. I know some want to or wish to praying we were a good team but you cannot extrapolate 6-5 out to 60-50 (for arguments sake...not gunna do the actual math here).

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1/23/2010  9:58 AM
kam77 wrote:point differential is twice as good. defense is better. playing better as of late...

this team kicks last year's team's asse

We're a different team but we're still a crappy team. We started 1-9 for a reason. We suck. Also very little of that was on Mike D'Antoni as another poster suggests. I mean, every single player on the team was playing like they didn't care. Played like they hated basketball and hated life and just didn't care.

That goes deeper than coaching. Now if that was all related to coaching then I don't want any single player back if they're that sensitive to coaching decisions (playing time) then they're going to fold any time we face a big opponent or godforbid a playoff series.

We also happen to be 2-5 over our last seven during the home stretch of our weakest overall scheduling period.

Our next seven games affords us the chance to go 5-2. We probably won't do it because we aren't a good team. After that the season is going to wrap up pretty quickly with plenty of losses. February is a pretty tough month for us and then March gets out of hand.

It's pretty much over at this point although if we do go 5-2 over the next seven I'm sure the usuals will come out sing playoff jingles before having their hopes crushed in the face of a big time losing streak.

I could easily see this team finishing the season on a 5-15 streak. The schedule is THAT brutal and we sure do stink.

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1/23/2010  10:03 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/23/2010  10:18 AM
last year, 11-20 after you take off the 6-4 start
this year, 16-16 after you take off the 1-9 start

you see?

and you take that 6-4 off because it was a different team. and you take the 1-9 off because, well, i don't know; they brain farted, seriously brain farted for whatever reason. so if you're into comparing similiar periods of both seasons, this is just as valid and maybe more valid comparisson than comparing straight out records.

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1/23/2010  12:26 PM
orangeblobman wrote:last year, 11-20 after you take off the 6-4 start
this year, 16-16 after you take off the 1-9 start

you see?

and you take that 6-4 off because it was a different team. and you take the 1-9 off because, well, i don't know; they brain farted, seriously brain farted for whatever reason. so if you're into comparing similiar periods of both seasons, this is just as valid and maybe more valid comparisson than comparing straight out records.

I am more inclined to agree with this reasoning than most of everything else. Look at the records after November from both 2008 and 2009.

Through November: in 2008 the team is .500 8-8 and in 2009 they are .178 3-14. During the month of Nov this year the coaching staff gave minutes to everyone and also played SSOL. They have adjusted and have guys set in a good rotation. It's the same place as last year record-wise but it's a different team mentality otherwise. If you can't see that then we are watching different games.

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1/23/2010  5:57 PM
orangeblobman wrote:last year, 11-20 after you take off the 6-4 start
this year, 16-16 after you take off the 1-9 start

you see?

and you take that 6-4 off because it was a different team. and you take the 1-9 off because, well, i don't know; they brain farted, seriously brain farted for whatever reason. so if you're into comparing similiar periods of both seasons, this is just as valid and maybe more valid comparisson than comparing straight out records.

i don't think u can selectively say that only the good stretches of the season are due to good coaching yet the bad stretches have nothing to do with bad coaching... big part of the coach's job is to motivate his guys to play hard on a nightly basis... obviously the start of the season had a lot to do with guys not coming into the season in shape & not playing like they care, but u can't absolve the coaching staff of their share of the blame there IMO.

this team is still learning how to win games, it's a process & we can't expect the same team from last year to miraculously turn into something better this year until we add some significantly better talent... so in that regard the coaching staff gets a pass from me, but it still doesn't excuse the historically bad start to the season... u go through an entire training camp trying to get your team prepared to compete to start the season & they go 1-9 to start? some of that goes on the coaches, i'm sorry.

let's remember the rookies have not been given a fair shot to make any sort of impact on the season yet so we're basically playing what we went to battle with last season except for the addition of Gallo... that's not enough to take us to the next level... i never expected anything more than 35 wins from this team this year.

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