martin wrote:I suggested several different lineups and one of them was a big with Dirk at SF. Most likely Dallas would go with their current lineup of Dampier, Dirk, Marion, Terry, Kidd and have Lee/Jefferies off bench. Howard has missed a TON of games this year and last. Lee is a huge upgrade over Gooden and Jefferies adds to the defense.

I understand that. The way Lee has played he has shown he is at least close to Boozer's level of play and that means he is a starter. If you factor in Lee actually have hops, being 2 yrs younger, and not being injury prone then you have to wonder how much he is going to earn. 10.5 million might not be enough to keep Lee especially if a team is willing to front load the contract.

So they'd be trading expirings and Howard for Curry and Jefferies. Too risky in getting Lee to resign. Plus Lee would likely veto any deal where he gets sent to the bench at this point in the season.

AnubisADL wrote:

martin wrote:I suggested several different lineups and one of them was a big with Dirk at SF. Most likely Dallas would go with their current lineup of Dampier, Dirk, Marion, Terry, Kidd and have Lee/Jefferies off bench. Howard has missed a TON of games this year and last. Lee is a huge upgrade over Gooden and Jefferies adds to the defense.

I understand that. The way Lee has played he has shown he is at least close to Boozer's level of play and that means he is a starter. If you factor in Lee actually have hops, being 2 yrs younger, and not being injury prone then you have to wonder how much he is going to earn. 10.5 million might not be enough to keep Lee especially if a team is willing to front load the contract.

So they'd be trading expirings and Howard for Curry and Jefferies. Too risky in getting Lee to resign. Plus Lee would likely veto any deal where he gets sent to the bench at this point in the season.

Martin mentioned in his original post that the deal was contingent on Cuban getting an agreement from Lee that he would resign.

TheSage wrote:an extra million or so does NOT mean that much to Lee-his late grandfather gabe away over $100,000,000 or so (maybe $200,000,000 or more in todays dollars). He wants respect and like the NY lifestyle. He will be happy if we give him the max we have available as long as the numbers are not far off from what he is offered elsewhere.

What does his grandfather have to do with him? You think David Lee is his only Grandson? Come on man. Does David Lee seem the type looking for handouts from grandpa.

AnubisADL wrote:

TheSage wrote:an extra million or so does NOT mean that much to Lee-his late grandfather gabe away over $100,000,000 or so (maybe $200,000,000 or more in todays dollars). He wants respect and like the NY lifestyle. He will be happy if we give him the max we have available as long as the numbers are not far off from what he is offered elsewhere.

What does his grandfather have to do with him? You think David Lee is his only Grandson? Come on man. Does David Lee seem the type looking for handouts from grandpa.

well since you seem to know him better than king1, why dont you tell us whether or not he wants handouts.

martin wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

martin wrote:I suggested several different lineups and one of them was a big with Dirk at SF. Most likely Dallas would go with their current lineup of Dampier, Dirk, Marion, Terry, Kidd and have Lee/Jefferies off bench. Howard has missed a TON of games this year and last. Lee is a huge upgrade over Gooden and Jefferies adds to the defense.

I understand that. The way Lee has played he has shown he is at least close to Boozer's level of play and that means he is a starter. If you factor in Lee actually have hops, being 2 yrs younger, and not being injury prone then you have to wonder how much he is going to earn. 10.5 million might not be enough to keep Lee especially if a team is willing to front load the contract.

So they'd be trading expirings and Howard for Curry and Jefferies. Too risky in getting Lee to resign. Plus Lee would likely veto any deal where he gets sent to the bench at this point in the season.

Martin mentioned in his original post that the deal was contingent on Cuban getting an agreement from Lee that he would resign.

The Mav's can only sign him to 120% of his current deal. No way Lee's agent give him a guarantee when a team might be willing to spend more.

it's a super risky move for the Mav's, but IF they can keep Lee, it would be an upgrade to their roster that they probably won't otherwise be able to get for another 2 years. Dallas is the same team as last year in which they got booted in the first round. They are also on a short timeline with Kidd, Terry, Dampier, Dirk. Perhaps they give Lee an option out after 3 years.

I can't remember if Lee's salary is $7M with a $1M bonus for playoffs or $6M with a $1M bonus. With the Mavs he gets bonus. $8M * 120% = $9.6M starting with a 6 year $70M total contract with an opt out after 3 years when he is still in prime - 30 years old. OR at $7M * 120% = $8.4M starting 6 year $61M total contract... not so enticing.

The other teams that have cap space: NJ, Knicks, Heat, Wolves (nada with Jefferies and Love), Chi if they dump Tyrus, Oklahoma. Oklahoma and Nets seems like the biggest threats.

I agree it would be an upgrade but that is way to risky and they are taking on nearly 20 million in garbage. All that needs to happen is for some desperate team to offer 55-60 over 5 years and the Mav's would be screwed. Technically David could come back to NY in the summer leaving the Mav's with our garbage.

Cause David Lee is BETTER than those Dallas players Howard/Gooden/Carrol &
Curry and Jefferies combined, any day of the week.

martin wrote:

DJMUSIC wrote:Answer no
even at getting rid of Knick contracts

Cause David Lee is BETTER than those Dallas players Howard/Gooden/Carrol &
Curry and Jefferies combined, any day of the week.

you missed the point of the trade if you only think DLee is better than Howard/Gooden/Carrol & Curry and Jefferies combined, it would be about the cap space.

But nevermind on this whole trade thing. IMHO David is starting to impose his will on the game - only in short stretches so far and certainly not in every game - and I am more and more inclined to keep him.

it's fast becoming a question of do we have confidence in the future of the knicks with lee and Another or do we want to trade him at his peak value to ensure that we have room for two stars. it's a question of can we live with letting curry and jj run out or is it do-or-die that we get rid of those contracts?