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TheGame
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1/15/2010 1:59 PM

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Knixkik wrote:With the Knicks playing the raptors many times coming up, all eyes will be on how well lee can impact each game vs. bosh. It's obvious that bosh will receive max money this summer and lee won't, but my question is, what does david lee need to do the rest of this season to prove to everyone he is at the same level or close to bosh, and is worth keeping as a core piece for a contender?
What does he have to do to prove it to us, D'Antoni and Walsh, and even LeBron or another big FA?
Does he have to make the all-star team, finish the season averaging 20-11, and lead the Knicks to the playoffs while having a solid first round showing?
I'm sure at that point he will be worth 12 million per year minimum, but it's still 4-5 million less than bosh will get.
I'd like to know what it takes for people to be convinced he's good enough to be that second big FA.

Uh, play defense. What good is it to score 20 pts, when you let the other teams C/PF score 20 pts and you provide no help defense? If Lee wants max money (and he will never get it) he needs to become more of a force on the defensive side of the ball and show he can score even after defenses start game planning for him.

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1/15/2010 1:59 PM LAST EDITED: 1/15/2010 1:59 PM

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Nalod wrote:Dlee has met every challange thrown at him. He is consistant, does not need the ball to be mr. double double and is a rebounding machine.
He has even worked on his shot and actually has a decent handle.
THe question is fit, not establisment.
If we want him we will keep him. All star team does not confirm his acomplishments.

Tell that to Al Horford.

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1/15/2010 2:01 PM

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kam77 wrote:Jordan Hill is our Camby.

That's the hope. I think long term we see Lee starting at center and the knicks running and gunning as long as there are no great post players to defend. Once we are faced with a difficult matchup hill plays center and lee slides to pf, particularly in the second half of games. As long as hill develops, especially defensively, he becomes a great 6th man every year and we are able to handle difficult defensive assigments very well.

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1/15/2010 2:40 PM

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Bosh is a better player than Lee but not for 7 million a year better. The Knicks should get Lee for 10 and go get a PG guard or center for the extra 7 per year. The only way Bosh will win big is if he is with wade, or lebron. Joe Johnson and Bosh will get max money and unless they have a sidekick will never win. Last year Lee vs Bosh split in the head to head. Lee had 24-15 one game and bosh had 31-13 one game.

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1/15/2010 2:42 PM

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Its quite possible David Lee will be among that 10 or so best FA's available this summer when you take into account age and value.

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1/15/2010 2:44 PM

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1/15/2010 2:50 PM

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Lee needs to start hitting 3's & block some shots before we start talking about him on Bosh's level.

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1/15/2010 2:52 PM

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Another thing that gets overlooked is durability. Lee's past two season have been 81 games each, what i would consider complete seasons. Now i wouldn't consider Bosh injury-prone, but it's clear judging his career he's more likely to miss 8-10 games per season than not. What type of dollar amount can you put on a 8 game difference each year?

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1/15/2010 3:36 PM

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TMS wrote:Lee needs to start hitting 3's & block some shots before we start talking about him on Bosh's level.

one of the two would be great. shooting 3's seems more likely.

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1/15/2010 3:40 PM

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TMS wrote:Lee needs to start hitting 3's & block some shots before we start talking about him on Bosh's level.
one of the two would be great. shooting 3's seems more likely.

i think he's almost there, i've seen him knocking down shots just inside the arc this season... but i think he needs to start consistently drawing double teams & being a true go to guy before he warrants discussion among the elite bigmen in the NBA... he's definitely still in the 2nd tier right now, which means he'll likely command around the $12 million dollar mark annually... i don't see where people think he's gonna sign here for $9 mil per, that's just ridiculous.

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1/15/2010 7:11 PM LAST EDITED: 1/15/2010 7:17 PM

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nyk4ever wrote:
Panos wrote:
playa2 wrote:
Panos wrote:
playa2 wrote:
Andrew wrote:
playa2 wrote:I find it hard to believe D. LEE or C. Duhon, would put up the same numbers that they do playoing for the knicks under dantoni if placed on another team .
Would you like to elaborate on why you think that?

The system that Lee and Duhon play in creates mismatches that doesn't always expose their weaknesses if they were put ona normal structured team. Lee wouldn't be the starting center going up against Slow plodding opponents if he played on another team. Lee's teamates set up on the perimmiter leaving him towork against slower opponents. Duhon in a normal running offense would be destroyed because of his lack of quickness and would be a major liabilty to his teams defense. Duhon would be a backup at best.
So in summary, what you're saying is, DLee is faster than his opponents...?
David Lee played center in college , this is where he learned his big man skills.
But in the NBA the guy is QUICKER than 90% of his opponents at the C position.
To his credit he became more lethal in this offense now being able to knock down set shot jumpers.
Lee's improved shot puts slow C at a disadvantage trying to defend him on the perimmiter.
If they play up on him, he drives around them for either short flip shot or gets to the rim for a bunny or passes off to a open shooter.
So what's the problem?
the problem is that david lee is playing well for a coach that playa doesnt like because his name isn't mark jackson.

Hey man why make it personal, I gave my opinion, mark jackson y had nothing to do with the point I made.

My point was he wouldn't be put in the same position on another team.

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1/15/2010 7:25 PM LAST EDITED: 1/15/2010 7:26 PM

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Lee has improved offensively without a doubt. However, he is putting up bigger numbers here than he would on other teams because he is playing for D'Antoni and he does not have competition for time or touches at the center spot.

You want proof? Just take a look at any player who played under D'Antoni in Phoenix and their offensive numbers(Such as Shawn Marion, Boris Diaw, Nash, Stoudemire and more) and the dramatically lower numbers they put up in a different system. The only exception that I can find is Joe Johnson and that is because he gets the ball on every possession in Atlanta.

This is not a knock on Lee, or Chandler, or Gallinari, but it just the facts jack!

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1/15/2010 8:20 PM

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oohah wrote:Lee has improved offensively without a doubt. However, he is putting up bigger numbers here than he would on other teams because he is playing for D'Antoni and he does not have competition for time or touches at the center spot.
You want proof? Just take a look at any player who played under D'Antoni in Phoenix and their offensive numbers(Such as Shawn Marion, Boris Diaw, Nash, Stoudemire and more) and the dramatically lower numbers they put up in a different system. The only exception that I can find is Joe Johnson and that is because he gets the ball on every possession in Atlanta.
This is not a knock on Lee, or Chandler, or Gallinari, but it just the facts jack!
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Why do people hate the truth oohah

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1/16/2010 10:32 AM

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playa2 wrote:
oohah wrote:Lee has improved offensively without a doubt. However, he is putting up bigger numbers here than he would on other teams because he is playing for D'Antoni and he does not have competition for time or touches at the center spot.
You want proof? Just take a look at any player who played under D'Antoni in Phoenix and their offensive numbers(Such as Shawn Marion, Boris Diaw, Nash, Stoudemire and more) and the dramatically lower numbers they put up in a different system. The only exception that I can find is Joe Johnson and that is because he gets the ball on every possession in Atlanta.
This is not a knock on Lee, or Chandler, or Gallinari, but it just the facts jack!
oohah
Why do people hate the truth oohah

where are the numbers? so far your truth and facts are based on opinion.

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