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What is the plan if Lebron James does NOT come here?
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misterearl
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1/13/2010  5:06 PM
Plan B

If Lebron does not come Donnie Walsh convinces Mike D'Antoni to wait one more year.

1. Draft a 6'5 guard with court vision and toughness.

2. Push Jordan Hill to the limit in the Summer and mandate that Toney Douglas carries a basketball everywhere he goes in the offseason

3. Scour European, South American and African basketball leagues for a 6'9+ veteran frontcourt player to audition

4. Sign one free agent guard to upgrade Duhon

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1/13/2010  5:07 PM
misterearl wrote:Plan B

If Lebron does not come Donnie Walsh convinces Mike D'Antoni to wait one more year.

1. Draft a 6'5 guard with court vision and toughness.

2. Push Jordan Hill to the limit in the Summer and mandate that Toney Douglas carries a basketball everywhere he goes in the offseason

3. Scour European, South American and African basketball leagues for a 6'9+ veteran frontcourt player to audition

4. Sign one free agent guard to upgrade Duhon

5. Play Mega Millions

oohah

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1/13/2010  5:10 PM
I say we keep the same team (minus Hughes, Nate, Darko & Harrington) and sign Raja Bell, Kyle Lowry, and Josh Powell. Lets let our guys progress more. We already have a decent team.

Duhon
Chandler
Gallo
Powell
Lee

Lowry
Hill
Bell
Douglas
Jeffries
Curry
Bender

TMS
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1/13/2010  5:13 PM
Cookdcokehop wrote:I say we keep the same team (minus Hughes, Nate, Darko & Harrington) and sign Raja Bell, Kyle Lowry, and Josh Powell. Lets let our guys progress more. We already have a decent team.

Duhon
Chandler
Gallo
Powell
Lee

Lowry
Hill
Bell
Douglas
Jeffries
Curry
Bender

is that team even better than the one we have now? after all the buildup to 2010 there's no way Donnie Walsh doesn't spend big bucks this offseason to upgrade this roster, Lebron or no Lebron.

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oohah
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1/13/2010  5:20 PM
Cookdcokehop wrote:I say we keep the same team (minus Hughes, Nate, Darko & Harrington) and sign Raja Bell, Kyle Lowry, and Josh Powell. Lets let our guys progress more. We already have a decent team.

Duhon
Chandler
Gallo
Powell
Lee

Lowry
Hill
Bell
Douglas
Jeffries
Curry
Bender

Please remove Duhon from your lineup.

oohah

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1/13/2010  5:22 PM
There will still be teams willing to make trades and you can't see them coming! How often do we see a trade made that there were no rumors about? It's gonna be easy to make trades being so far under the cap. Salaries won't have to match and we'll have more money coming off the cap the next year.

So we can make a trade with a G.S. and look to take a Monta Ellis off their hands. Resign Lee and look to add more shooting. We could keep Al too since as I said we'd still end up with Max money next off season to get Melo. The team really isn't that far off from being where Atlanta is right now. We just need to fix a few holes and at least the team would be a playoff team until we can get a guy like Melo or maybe even make a trade to get Rubio.

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1/13/2010  5:36 PM
Donnie hasn't demonstrated an impatient "gotta do something now" attitude to this point. Regardless of Lebron, I doubt he will become impatient if we miss. Why?

1. We can resign Lee to a long-term deal. He gets better every year and is clearly a star player with burgeoning upside.
2. We have $18+mil in expiring deals next year to dangle as trade bait. Like Hahn said in his chat today, there could be way better deals for us in S&T if we miss on our coveted FA. No reason to sign the wrong guy as we have done so many times in the past. I also agree that winning is what the NYK need to fill seats, not a big name.
3. There are lots of great players in the league not named Lebron. We have other options to build around (e.g., CP3, Melo, et al).

Patience is the new virtue in NYC, and it will play out fine if we miss on the King. But I have confidence we won't miss.

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1/13/2010  5:41 PM
the biggest hole in the lineup is at PG. it'd be interesting to see what the team would look like running a big lineup with Lebron as the PG:

Lebron
Wilson
Gallo
DLee
Jeffries

if not that, we need to find some other way to upgrade the PG. i'm not totally opposed to Joe Johnson, but I doubt that makes us much better than the Hawks are right now. which, don't get me wrong, is an improvement. there aren't many options to upgrade the PG dramatically though - and this cap room push has been all about a dramatic upgrade. i'd love to see a BIG team out there with Lebron running the point and Gallo and DLee making plays at the top of the key. Jeff can guard the opposing PG most nights. We'd be a nightmare matchup. If that doesn't happen, we need to find some other way to upgrade the point.

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1/13/2010  5:42 PM
Dolan has been patient for a few years now, i think it would be unrealistic to think they come out of this offseason w/o at least 1 big name acquisition, whether that comes via free agency or trade.
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1/13/2010  5:44 PM
oohah wrote:
fishmike wrote:facts based on your opinions. Knicks dont need a star to sell tickets. Never have. If the Knicks are winning games they will sell out. What you see is what you get.

Facts based on my opinions? no Fishmike, based on history. How do you think the term "starphuching" came about on this site?

Are we discussing what you "hope" or what you "think"? The Knicks always want a face who is the savior to sell tickets. That might be a coach, a GM, or a player. This is not my opinion but a fact that can be easily proven if you look at the history.

fishmike wrote:Most who follow the NBA would agree you need a star player to win a title. Do the Knicks have a better shot at getting that star than massing cap space this offseason?

Remember, the original question is what will happen if LeBron does NOT come here.

But to answer your question, yes the Knicks need a star to win a title. but that star is not Joe Johnson.

oohah

neither what I hope or what I think. Its what I see. If you are going to tell me that Dolan mandated Isiah and Layden to field competitive teams I will agree. Winning teams sell out in NY. Only the Giants sell out when they are bad. Any NYC teams that are good sell. Thats a fact.

Did Dolan mandate Isiah trade for Curry? Zach? Steve Francis? Are you going to tell me that this current management is the same as previous management? Its not. This GM has a longer track record than anything you can bring up with Isiah and Layden, both of which were terrible GMs. The GM has deep league ties. He hasnt starphucked at all. Furthest thing from it. He's dumped starphuck players to cleans the culture and make room for new.

Is this is a starphuck management than why isnt Allen Iverson a Knick? Surely that would have sold some tickets.

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1/13/2010  5:50 PM
crzymdups wrote:the biggest hole in the lineup is at PG. it'd be interesting to see what the team would look like running a big lineup with Lebron as the PG:

Lebron
Wilson
Gallo
DLee
Jeffries

if not that, we need to find some other way to upgrade the PG. i'm not totally opposed to Joe Johnson, but I doubt that makes us much better than the Hawks are right now. which, don't get me wrong, is an improvement. there aren't many options to upgrade the PG dramatically though - and this cap room push has been all about a dramatic upgrade. i'd love to see a BIG team out there with Lebron running the point and Gallo and DLee making plays at the top of the key. Jeff can guard the opposing PG most nights. We'd be a nightmare matchup. If that doesn't happen, we need to find some other way to upgrade the point.

If you get Lebron you can put Douglas at the point. He's a guy that will defend and he can take care of the ball. Maybe Clippers go tank mode and you can trade JJ/Curry's expiring deals for Baron Davis next Feb. There will be options. If the Knicks draft anyone in the first round this year they can package thier 2011 pick with those big expirings. Lots of options there.

Gallo and Lebron are superior ball handlers. Lee is solid and a great passer. Chandler is average. JJ slightly below, and Douglas very good but not a true court vision PG. Sooooo many options once you have Lebron. Lets face it. You either replacing Duhon or JJ with a PG in a PF's body. He's smooth like Drexler and brawny as big Ben. I think MDA can work with that. He seems to have a plan

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1/13/2010  5:57 PM
TMS wrote:Dolan has been patient for a few years now, i think it would be unrealistic to think they come out of this offseason w/o at least 1 big name acquisition, whether that comes via free agency or trade.

Dolan's first priority isn't winning though. I don't think he's dying to sign someone for max dollars unless its Lebron.

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1/13/2010  5:59 PM
fishmike wrote:
neither what I hope or what I think. Its what I see. If you are going to tell me that Dolan mandated Isiah and Layden to field competitive teams I will agree. Winning teams sell out in NY. Only the Giants sell out when they are bad. Any NYC teams that are good sell. Thats a fact.

Did Dolan mandate Isiah trade for Curry? Zach? Steve Francis? Are you going to tell me that this current management is the same as previous management? Its not. This GM has a longer track record than anything you can bring up with Isiah and Layden, both of which were terrible GMs. The GM has deep league ties. He hasnt starphucked at all. Furthest thing from it. He's dumped starphuck players to cleans the culture and make room for new.

Is this is a starphuck management than why isnt Allen Iverson a Knick? Surely that would have sold some tickets.

The Starphuch under Walsh was Mike D'Antoni. remember that Walsh was leaning toward Mark Jackson -- one of his guys -- then when D'Antoni became available the Knicks snapped him up. That has Dolan-type starphuching written all over it. Right now Mike D'Antoni is the face and the hope of the Knicks more than any player.

OPINIONS:
I believe that D'Antoni does not want to coach a 3rd year with no true star, and Dolan wants a star to hype the team in the media. The understanding, in my opinion, between Dolan, Walsh, and D'Antoni was for D'Antoni to work with low-talent teams for 2 years then to have 2 Stars, Lebron + somebody else.

In regard to whether Dolan mandated that Isiah trade specifically for this player or that player, I don't know. But you have to look at the trends. The Francis move was at the behest of Larry Brown (As Brown admitted.), and I believe the Randolph move was Dolan/Isiah trying to upgrade the team too quickly, basically getting ahead of themselves because they thought they would have made a push for the playoffs in the pre-Randolph year if not for the injuries to Marbury, Lee, and Crawford.

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1/13/2010  6:05 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
TMS wrote:Dolan has been patient for a few years now, i think it would be unrealistic to think they come out of this offseason w/o at least 1 big name acquisition, whether that comes via free agency or trade.

Dolan's first priority isn't winning though. I don't think he's dying to sign someone for max dollars unless its Lebron.

Dolan's a moron of epic proportions when it comes to running this franchise, but he's always been willing to spend the big bucks to improve the roster... if he was just about selling tickets he would never have bought into this whole 2010 plan to begin with... his problem is he's put his trust into the wrong people up to this point... Donnie Walsh came in with cache & a track history, so Dolan left it up to him & bought into his plan... after all the hype leading up to this offseason i see no way the Knicks would come out without adding at least 1 bigname guy... they will want to make the playoffs next year w/o a doubt in my view, & return this franchise to legitimacy again... they will want someone to sell to their fanbase & get them excited for next season, especially in a year where we don't own our lottery pick.

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1/13/2010  6:20 PM
Patience

"Patience is the new virtue in NYC, and it will play out fine if we miss on the King. But I have confidence we won't miss."

Moonangie - any way it is sliced, the Knicks are two players away from consistency and contending. "Wise" is the shortest distance between two points and brings a unique skill set that allows him to play in just about any role he wants from lead guard to center.

If the Bron soap opera is just a diversion to keep people on the edge of their seats and he avoids NYC, expect Donnie to chill. But in fashion terms, Lebron looks like a punk who only fronts by wearing Yankee caps, (and pinstriped custom Nike kicks) but cannot hang in the big city on the brightest stage in the NBA.


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1/13/2010  6:23 PM
misterearl wrote:But in fashion terms, Lebron looks like a punk who only fronts by wearing Yankee caps, (and pinstriped custom Nike kicks) but cannot hang in the big city on the brightest stage in the NBA

umm... he's a diehard Yankee fan & isn't afraid to show it... how the hell is he fronting to you? do you even know what that word means?... Lebron looks like a punk? LOL... ok, whatever you say Mr. Answerman... i'm sure you'll be sucking on his nads the second he puts on the orange & blue.

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1/13/2010  6:33 PM
TMS wrote:
umm... he's a diehard Yankee fan & isn't afraid to show it... how the hell is he fronting to you? do you even know what that word means?... Lebron looks like a punk? LOL... ok, whatever you say Mr. Answerman... i'm sure you'll be sucking on his nads the second he puts on the orange & blue.

"Fronting" is when you play defense in front of a post player to deny him the ball, right?

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1/13/2010  6:43 PM
The Answer Man Never Fronts

Q. TMS - how the hell is he fronting to you?

A. Any player who understands the significance and presence of playing in The Garden, pals around with Jay-Z after a game, but moonwalks from the offer that Donnie has already run past the accountants at Cablevision... and turns down an opportunity to play for my beloved Knicks... is "fronting." It's nothing personal, just my opinion.

Q. TMS - Lebron looks like a punk?

A. Only if he stays in Cleveland. But please don't tell him if he signs with New York. It would be somewhat awkward if you spread such idle gossip while I was caught sucking on his (choke) nads as you so vividly claim.

Q. TMS - do you even know what that word means?

A. Nope. I can't say The Answer Man knows what sucking on nads means, please explain... and please don't hesitate to speak from your personal experience.

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1/13/2010  6:48 PM
for as much of a nad sucking homer as you are you certainly have some unfairly disparaging things to say about guys on other teams... love how you rag on Lebron's character & personal appearance now... can't wait to hear you gushing about the "savior of the Knicks" if he ever comes here you fraud.
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1/13/2010  7:40 PM
Lebron is the ultimate scenario, the brass ring, but there are other acceptable answers to our quest to build a contender. Lebron just represents the one button option to a title contender, but we could add some very good players and get this team to a Detroit Pistons like level with the right moves.

We could go with an Amare or Bosh plus a good PG to make some really good improvement. The idea is that we can make incremental improvements as we move along towards 2011.

What is the plan if Lebron James does NOT come here?

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