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Five reasons Lebron is a lock for the Knicks
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PresIke
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1/12/2010  6:15 PM
every time a knick fan says lebron is not coming, or is coming...an angel gets its wings...
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1/12/2010  6:16 PM
miss cleos' r us
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1/12/2010  6:37 PM
Anubis - you must be a Cleveland fan, your argument is really grasping at straws for why Lebron would want to stay in CLE. End of day, it's the bright lights of NYC v. this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM.
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1/12/2010  6:51 PM
I have a friend who's relative works at the MSG front office.

He's coming.

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1/12/2010  6:56 PM
stanleybostitch wrote:Anubis - you must be a Cleveland fan, your argument is really grasping at straws for why Lebron would want to stay in CLE. End of day, it's the bright lights of NYC v. this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM.

Im not a Cleveland fan. I dont pretend the NY Knicks operate in a bubble. Chicago, Miami, NJ, and possibly the Clips will be vying for FA's this summer. Lebron or any other FA isn't a lock to do anything.

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1/13/2010  10:04 AM
Chicago - ghost of MJ, take this off the list;
Miami - shared stage with Wade, no-go;
NJ - it's NJ, why play in NJ when you can have the real thing?
Clips - it's the Clips, plus you're in Kobe's shadow.

That leaves, lets see...the NY Knickerbockers!

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1/13/2010  10:33 AM
"At least it's not Detroit!". That was a funny video.
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1/13/2010  10:46 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/13/2010  11:08 AM
If I were Lebron, no doubt I would come here to NY. But I'm not him. He might be thinking other things. But it's such a perfect storm, I mean, it would be shocking if Lebron doesn't come to NY.
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1/13/2010  10:51 AM
AnubisADL wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:Anubis-- way to make blanket statements without any support. You could have just wrote "No". In any event, I think you are wrong.

Not every team needs a traditional center to excel. In particular, I question your definition of a "center" is, besides a player that roams the paint. If you'll remember, Camby was a PF that was moved to C (and spent a lot of time on the DL because of it). Duncan was a PF that played C during many of the Spurs championship runs. To say that Lebron needs a center to win is short-sighted. The Celtics won a championship with Kendrick Perkins at Center. Do you believe that Wallace (not a traditional center) is worse for them?

Lebron can retire his number anywhere. He can make the HoF anywhere, but we differ on the term legacy. There is a reason why they call Larry Bird --the "Legend"-- Beantown being a basketball city made Bird a legacy. Without arguing about NY vs CLE vs LA vs BOS, you must accept that 1) NY is considered the Mecca of basketball and 2) NY has a higher population than Cleveland. His star will shine brighter in NY.

Lebron can make more money by winning a championship is correct. Winning a chip in NY is worth more than a chip in Cleveland. He is already the most marketable NBA player. More of his income will come from his own entrepreneurship. To that extent a larger home market like NY should prove more profitable than Cleveland.

Spreading stars out doesn't seem to be the concern of the league office. In fact, we have seen an accumulation of stars in a few places -- LA, Bos, Dall, Phoe -- without recourse or other action from the league. There are many that believe that Lebron will be successful anywhere-- I think that is true. But I am one who also thinks the NBA is better with its star player in the capital of the world.

The Knicks roster next year is currently in flux. The Cavaliers are a known quantity. I dont see him leaving for a team that "might" get the appropriate pieces for him to win a championship next year. People keep forgetting championship teams need to develop chemistry. I dont think that is going to happen with 2 rookies as integral parts of our rotation next year. Duncan is a HOFer and Perkings plays next to three future HOFers.

If Lebron wins 3 chips in Cleveland he will be the man regardless this isnt 20 years ago. Lebron is known worldwide as one of the few major faces of the NBA. They call Larry the Legend because he won it all.


whats the known quantity for the Cavs? After Mo they have crap. Shaq and Z are like 50 next year and dont have much gas in the tank THIS year. Who's left? Delonte? Varejo? Those guys are crap. Sorry but a Lee/Gallo/Chandler core is better than anything Cle has. I would not be suprised if Hill passes Varejo once his minutes come in.

To say he can make as much in Cle as in NY is silly.

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1/13/2010  11:02 AM
I was questionable for awhile when the Knicks were proving to be an embarrassment again this year, but they aren't a bad team at all anymore. They aren't great, but they have pieces, just lack a star. As long as they keep up this caliber of play, playoffs or not, they offer more to Lebron than cleveland can from a team perspective. On top of that, he would be on a bigger stage, making more money, and has the opportunity to completely shake up the league in a way that no one has done in basketball for a long time, if ever. The only things that keep him committed to cleveland are loyalty to his teammates and his homestate, but given everything else, i couldn't imagine him thinking it is a better idea to stay in cleveland.
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1/13/2010  11:05 AM
If I were Lebron, I go to Miami and win multiple championships with Wade.
No doubt about it.
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1/13/2010  11:16 AM
Panos wrote:If I were Lebron, I go to Miami and win multiple championships with Wade.
No doubt about it.

it would certainly be a more fun place to play then NY... just look at the winter weather. Not really sure thats the perfect pairing though. Thats a lot fewer shots for both of them. Not really a Jordan/Pippen type pairing.

Heat have no roster next year either. It would be Lebron, Wade, Beasley, Chalmers and thats it.

When you look at these scenarios the Lee, Gallo, Chandler, Douglas, Hill core is looking pretty good. Even JJ if he's still around. What will happen?????

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1/13/2010  11:18 AM
just want to make sure of something fish, you think lebron on the knicks > lebron + wade?
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1/13/2010  11:18 AM
stanleybostitch wrote:Chicago - ghost of MJ, take this off the list;
Miami - shared stage with Wade, no-go;
NJ - it's NJ, why play in NJ when you can have the real thing?
Clips - it's the Clips, plus you're in Kobe's shadow.

That leaves, lets see...the NY Knickerbockers!

Chicago: Ghost of MJ is no problem for him, its the quirty ownership and perhaps the team is not that good. But cap space and derrick Rose is very strong pull. I would not eliminate them. Central time game starts are very friendly to the east and west coast time slots. You want players on prime time, then Chicago is pretty good.

Miami: Want to win a "chip", then share the stage. ITs pretty well know you can't win it alone. Its warm all year round and Lebron can buy an island in Bermuda.

NJ: GOt a russian who got more money than anyone and will be In Brooklyn. Its more NY than than living and practiceing in westchester. Trust me, Brooklyn ain't New Jersey.

Room for two max players, have a good young core and perhapst he No.1 pick along with Jay-Z as a part owner I would not blow that off one bit. Fear the Russian.

Clips: What if the Clips beat the Lakes in the playoffs? LA better entry to biggest money makers opportunity which is Asian markets. I think this has the least possibilty as Lebron on the west coast means 10:30 game starts on the east coast during the week.

Cavs: They got the no front court but lots of cap space to spend. Im not sure Booze would be welcome back but winning forgives a lot, Elton Brand could be had for nothing (cap space is easy to trade with!) Bosh could sign there, Dlee could sign there, etc. Lebron could take less money to help build a winner also.

I am hopeful as most but I am being real. The "NJ IS NJ" thing does not hold anymore. The past is not the future there. Clips have been spending as owner has no more debt on the team and is spending. Beasly-wade-lebron in Miami is interesting and Chicago Noah-Rose-Deng-Lebron is just a player or two away from being a real contender, and the Cavs can retool very quickly to Lebrons taste. I hope he comes.

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1/13/2010  11:24 AM
bottom line is NY has as good as a shot as anyone *if* he's willing to leave. We have the massive budget, the famous arena, and a some good young players if your concerned about winning now. Also a coach that players elite players in the league all respect, a solid GM and a great hoops city. Obviously there is as big a cash market here as anywhere. If Lee would take a 6 year $70mm contract starting at $10.5mm then you could give Lebron the max to start with a group of guys coming back Lee, Chandler, JJ, Douglas, Hill and Gallo.. already a bubble playoff team.
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1/13/2010  11:35 AM
fishmike wrote:
Panos wrote:If I were Lebron, I go to Miami and win multiple championships with Wade.
No doubt about it.

it would certainly be a more fun place to play then NY... just look at the winter weather. Not really sure thats the perfect pairing though. Thats a lot fewer shots for both of them. Not really a Jordan/Pippen type pairing.

Heat have no roster next year either. It would be Lebron, Wade, Beasley, Chalmers and thats it.

When you look at these scenarios the Lee, Gallo, Chandler, Douglas, Hill core is looking pretty good. Even JJ if he's still around. What will happen?????

Wade is arguably the best or second best at his position in the league.
Lebron is the best.
Basketball is about your top couple of players, being better than your opponents' top players.
This combination wins championships.

Not to mention that Beasley, unless he self destructs, will be a 3rd year player coming into his own by then.
Beasley is scoring 16 PPG already. One could expect that he could be better than any second fiddle the Knicks
manage to get in 2010, and he'll only be the third fiddle in Miami.

Get a stiff that can put his hands up on D at center.
You don't even need a PG, this team could go 4 on 5.

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1/13/2010  11:35 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/13/2010  11:39 AM
personally, i don't think there need to be threads trying to discuss the reasons lebron should or shouldn't choose ny.

coming to the knicks has nothing to do with the roster or the coach. it has to do with taking on the challenge of playing in the biggest media market in the world. if he wants to take it, he'll come...regardless of who his teammates/coach are.

if he wants a more of a guarantee to win titles, then he plays with wade.

but regardless of my allegiances, if he leaves cleveland, that would be a bad thing b/c that franchise would basically be toast. and the whole 2010 thing has basically castrated all knicks fans and have put them in a position to hope and pray for a government bailout instead of backing the team they have now. (earl gets props for not falling for the 2010 hype).

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1/13/2010  11:42 AM
fishmike wrote:whats the known quantity for the Cavs? After Mo they have crap. Shaq and Z are like 50 next year and dont have much gas in the tank THIS year. Who's left? Delonte? Varejo? Those guys are crap. Sorry but a Lee/Gallo/Chandler core is better than anything Cle has. I would not be suprised if Hill passes Varejo once his minutes come in.

To say he can make as much in Cle as in NY is silly.

The fact remains Lebron's current team is #1 in the East. They still have Big Z's expiring to get Lebron some real help. While Varejao isn't a star player he plays D and can do the little things while being a mobile big.

Lee/Gallo/Chandler are all forwards. Last time I checked Lebron is a forward too. If Isiah taught us anything it's talent doesnt win games by itself. You need to have pieces that fit.

I'd also like to mention you have teams LITERALLY trying to give away players to get under the cap or avoid the lux tax. I suspect Cleveland will get a good PF for Big Z around the deadline and that will probably be Jamison.

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1/13/2010  11:49 AM
djsunyc wrote:personally, i don't think there need to be threads trying to discuss the reasons lebron should or shouldn't choose ny.

coming to the knicks has nothing to do with the roster or the coach. it has to do with taking on the challenge of playing in the biggest media market in the world. if he wants to take it, he'll come...regardless of who his teammates/coach are.

if he wants a more of a guarantee to win titles, then he plays with wade.

but regardless of my allegiances, if he leaves cleveland, that would be a bad thing b/c that franchise would basically be toast. and the whole 2010 thing has basically castrated all knicks fans and have put them in a position to hope and pray for a government bailout instead of backing the team they have now. (earl gets props for not falling for the 2010 hype).

thats not fair. Wouldnt you say they are going to war with what they have?

Its not Lebron or bust, because after we resign Lee that core of Lee, Chandler and Gallo is looking better and better every game. This coach is looking better and better and we will still have cap space to either add a player (FA) or take on $$$ for a long term player a team doesnt want anymore. Then you have Curry and JJ's expiring deals as well... Knicks will have a lot of options IMO.

What did we really sacrifice to make a run at LBJ? Crawford?

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1/13/2010  11:52 AM
fishmike wrote:thats not fair. Wouldnt you say they are going to war with what they have?

Its not Lebron or bust, because after we resign Lee that core of Lee, Chandler and Gallo is looking better and better every game. This coach is looking better and better and we will still have cap space to either add a player (FA) or take on $$$ for a long term player a team doesnt want anymore. Then you have Curry and JJ's expiring deals as well... Knicks will have a lot of options IMO.

What did we really sacrifice to make a run at LBJ? Crawford?

talking about the fans. all every knicks fan has talked about the past 2 years is 2010. that's it. and if it doesn't deliver lebron or wade (and that's how the majority of knicks fans feel - you know that), you can bet there will be a huge contingent of fans very dissapointed.

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