Don't get me wrong, I love Kosta's game and would love to see this kid rockin' a Knick uniform but the only way I could see us getting Koufos right now is if we go lateral/young potential for young potential as in Hill for Koufos or if we decided to give up on a young piece that's really starting to take off for us right now like a Wilson Chandler. For Koufos, maybe you do those moves. I'm not sure...But I don't see them doing us any favors by taking our garbage (Hughes isn't even part of our rotation right now) and giving us back a 20/10 player pretty much in his prime AND a future skilled 7 footer, no matter how much money they may save in the short-term. Not when they have a personal interest in the Knicks losing as many games as possible. No way they can sell that trade to their fans. Just my humble opinion...

BRIGGS wrote:

Finestrg wrote:I don't think Utah would do this -- getting Boozer would strengthen us for the rest of the year (I think it's safe to say that Boozer, rental or not, would definitely help us win some more games this season), thus greatly lowering the value of the draft pick we owe them (which according to draft.net is currently slated to go 8th -- before our recent surge, that was looking more like a top 4 pick - thank Christ we started playing better). I don't think they'd view that as a positive. It'd be like shooting themselves in the foot. Plus, I think they just got CJ Miles back not too long ago and the last I saw, that kid Matthews was playing pretty well and contributing. I'm not sure they'd have too much interest in Larry Hughes now. Hughes may have made some sense to them way back when a lot of their perimeter players all went down around the same time and there was some uncertainty surrounding others (Harpring got hurt, Miles got hurt, then there was the semi-ugly contract dispute with Ronnie Brewer that made the papers, nobody really knew how good Matthews Jr. could be, etc..). That was the time for the Jazz to go fishin' for a wing. Now their perimeter situation has stabilized somewhat...

Don't get me wrong, I love Kosta's game and would love to see this kid rockin' a Knick uniform but the only way I could see us getting Koufos right now is if we go lateral/young potential for young potential as in Hill for Koufos or if we decided to give up on a young piece that's really starting to take off for us right now like a Wilson Chandler. For Koufos, maybe you do those moves. I'm not sure...But I don't see them doing us any favors by taking our garbage (Hughes isn't even part of our rotation right now) and giving us back a 20/10 player pretty much in his prime AND a future skilled 7 footer, no matter how much money they may save in the short-term. Not when they have a personal interest in the Knicks losing as many games as possible. No way they can sell that trade to their fans. Just my humble opinion...

You know what fin--I have thought about this--I would be willing to give up a lottery protected 1 with Hughes--cash even the deal out for Boozer. They wont throw in Koufus for 3mm$ --or maybe they would???

I'm a believer in sporst when you think you can win now--you go for it. If this was Checkettes and Grunfeld and they could get a chance at bring in Boozer to go with Lee upfront for one lousy protected pick--they would do it and so would I. I want to win now--if you a have chance to bring in a superior caliber player--you do it. Perhaps after the season we see what happens with lee etc.. and we can always S+T him[boozer] for the 6th year and bring something back. At the bottom line--I think getting Boozer honestly gives us a chance to win the east.

Briggs- that is what has been wrong with the Knick's thinking the last 10 years- they thought they were a mere 1 piece, 1 move away from being able to win it all.

How'd that work out for us?

Dolan has finally, I think, bitten the bullet and realized that despite what he thought, you can and do have to rebuild in NY.

No more future picks should be traded away by the Knicks. Maybe if we got Lebron and winning 50 games and we're 1 piece away.

But if we whiff this off season, we might still be sucking when 2012 comes around.

franco12 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Finestrg wrote:I don't think Utah would do this -- getting Boozer would strengthen us for the rest of the year (I think it's safe to say that Boozer, rental or not, would definitely help us win some more games this season), thus greatly lowering the value of the draft pick we owe them (which according to draft.net is currently slated to go 8th -- before our recent surge, that was looking more like a top 4 pick - thank Christ we started playing better). I don't think they'd view that as a positive. It'd be like shooting themselves in the foot. Plus, I think they just got CJ Miles back not too long ago and the last I saw, that kid Matthews was playing pretty well and contributing. I'm not sure they'd have too much interest in Larry Hughes now. Hughes may have made some sense to them way back when a lot of their perimeter players all went down around the same time and there was some uncertainty surrounding others (Harpring got hurt, Miles got hurt, then there was the semi-ugly contract dispute with Ronnie Brewer that made the papers, nobody really knew how good Matthews Jr. could be, etc..). That was the time for the Jazz to go fishin' for a wing. Now their perimeter situation has stabilized somewhat...

Don't get me wrong, I love Kosta's game and would love to see this kid rockin' a Knick uniform but the only way I could see us getting Koufos right now is if we go lateral/young potential for young potential as in Hill for Koufos or if we decided to give up on a young piece that's really starting to take off for us right now like a Wilson Chandler. For Koufos, maybe you do those moves. I'm not sure...But I don't see them doing us any favors by taking our garbage (Hughes isn't even part of our rotation right now) and giving us back a 20/10 player pretty much in his prime AND a future skilled 7 footer, no matter how much money they may save in the short-term. Not when they have a personal interest in the Knicks losing as many games as possible. No way they can sell that trade to their fans. Just my humble opinion...

You know what fin--I have thought about this--I would be willing to give up a lottery protected 1 with Hughes--cash even the deal out for Boozer. They wont throw in Koufus for 3mm$ --or maybe they would???

I'm a believer in sporst when you think you can win now--you go for it. If this was Checkettes and Grunfeld and they could get a chance at bring in Boozer to go with Lee upfront for one lousy protected pick--they would do it and so would I. I want to win now--if you a have chance to bring in a superior caliber player--you do it. Perhaps after the season we see what happens with lee etc.. and we can always S+T him[boozer] for the 6th year and bring something back. At the bottom line--I think getting Boozer honestly gives us a chance to win the east.

Briggs- that is what has been wrong with the Knick's thinking the last 10 years- they thought they were a mere 1 piece, 1 move away from being able to win it all.

How'd that work out for us?

Dolan has finally, I think, bitten the bullet and realized that despite what he thought, you can and do have to rebuild in NY.

No more future picks should be traded away by the Knicks. Maybe if we got Lebron and winning 50 games and we're 1 piece away.

But if we whiff this off season, we might still be sucking when 2012 comes around.

It's not Isiah Thomas --it's a #1 pick with lottery protection until cashed in. Ill trade a 20+ pick in 2012 for the chance to win now. I don't know if Utah wants us to win now:) but I would pursue him.

I think now might be the time to strike. Maybe we come in with an offer of Nate and both our 2s for Koufos and Wesley Matthews. Or if Nate rejects it, I might consider dangling Wilson Chandler, believe it or not. I don't care how lost Koufos has looked - he's a talented big man and I'm still interested. It'll be tough to get both Koufos & Matthews though. Wes Matthews isn't a no name anymore -- he's played great for them all season, including last night where he had another standout game against Phoenix. He had a double-digit 4th quarter and was as instrumental as any Utah player in helping his team climb back from a 17 pt. deficit last night against a very good Suns team...I just saw the replay -- Matthews was all over the joint - driving the ball, running the court, hitting 3s, playing defense, moving the ball to the open man -- this guy's a good player. And he does it all within the team concept, never really forcing anything...You wanna laugh, I bet Utah may be more willing to deal Koufos than Matthews right now. Sounds like Sloan loves him...I'd love to get both players but I think we may at least have a shot at Koufos right now..

Tell you what, if we could get Kosta Koufos for Nate and a 2 or Nate, a 2 and some cash, etc., that would be a steal. Even if we didn't get LeBron this summer how good a frontcourt on paper would Koufos, Lee and Chandler (with Hill as the first big off the bench) look? Answer: not too bad. That would be a nice young frontcourt core..