playa2 wrote:Martin it's well documented that duhon was the straw that stirred the knicks and he wasn't getting it done.

We needed someone to penetrate and create and he was even getting destroyed on the defensive end of the ball that broke down our defense, he couldn't stay in front of his man.

And danphoney placed duhon right back out there in the starting lineup when all the fans was calling for his demotion.

It's also well documented that Duhon, with all his shortcomings, is the only player on the current roster that fills his specific role; that is, a calm and collected leader on the floor that won't give you anything spectacular but will at least provide some type of stability. In short, if MDA had anyone else to replace him, it would have been done already. With guys like Nate and Hughes, you can interchange them, they're filling much more general roles.

playa2 wrote:Martin it's well documented that duhon was the straw that stirred the knicks and he wasn't getting it done.

We needed someone to penetrate and create and he was even getting destroyed on the defensive end of the ball that broke down our defense, he couldn't stay in front of his man.

And danphoney placed duhon right back out there in the starting lineup when all the fans was calling for his demotion.

it's also documented that everyone outside of DLee was shooting somewhere in the 20-30% range.

If MDA sits Duhon, who plays PG?

The Knicks' Larry Hughes didn't exactly deny a report alleging that he was once "cleaned out" of $17,000 by Gilbert Arenas playing cards.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2010/01/04/2010-01-04_knick_plays_hold_em_over_poker_wizard.html?r=sports%2Fbasketball%2Fknicks&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nydnrss%2Fsports%2Fbasketball%2Fknicks+%28Sports%2FBasketball%2FKnicks%29#ixzz0berzsUKm

Does he have a gun in the locker?

arkrud wrote:Larry, Duhon, Al... Stop-gup players rented to get through this year with respectable record.
Why Knicks funs should bother about them? Whatever they say or do is up to them.
It is irrelevant for us regardlesss of who is right or wrong.

It's relevant because MDA is right, and his coaching is what is constantly in question by some fans when players act up like this. But yea, they are all rentals and we shouldn't bother with them. Because of this we should even more staunchly defend MDA against his spiteful haters.

Nalod wrote:Larry should keep this to himself. Team is doing well and he is whining about himself.

He worked his way into the rotation big time with his good play and maybe needs that again. You go 1-16 and its your job to score you work it out and prove yourself.

Larry is cap fodder and not much more. He is fragile and has been for years.

Lebron should want to go to a team whose coach plays those who contribute.

Next year Larry will make 2 mil a year and if he opens his mouth will get waived. STFU and play.

Team is not about Larry and his contract or age.

This type of response is typical knick fan rant , when there is a new flavor of the month(Nate)

Larry Hughes and King James are real tight so you have to figure the King is getting all the inside Knick stuff... let's just hope these things don't influence his decision about where he goes.
Danphoney needs to chill out, players have a way of influencing their friends about where to play based on coach's and their flipant attitudes !

playa2 wrote:

PresIke wrote:playa, i believe that's why douglas was getting burn, but who were we gonna play at pg in duhon's place early on? hughes got play directly because duhon was playing poorly, after not initially being in the rotation.

PresIke, so why wasn't duhon ever taken out of the rotation for playing poorly, this is the argument.

You guys make it sound like this is the only guy on the planet that can play pg in MDA offense.

I guess you guys think duhon will stay after 2010 season too huh?

Basically Duhon should've been taken out of the rotation earlier in the year but there were two factors keeping him in it:

A) Knicks didn't have a veteran backup point guard. Blame Walsh.
B) D'antoni had used Duhon for a season, was familiar with him, and wanted to keep him confident.

Hughes is a human being; he's obviously frustrated with the situation and he voiced his displeasure. So? A couple of weeks ago, a lot of you cats around here were talking about extending him. Now that he has dared challenge MDA, he's a pariah. Okay...

Cant there be any sort of balance or perspective around here?

kam77 wrote:

playa2 wrote:

PresIke wrote:playa, i believe that's why douglas was getting burn, but who were we gonna play at pg in duhon's place early on? hughes got play directly because duhon was playing poorly, after not initially being in the rotation.

PresIke, so why wasn't duhon ever taken out of the rotation for playing poorly, this is the argument.

You guys make it sound like this is the only guy on the planet that can play pg in MDA offense.

I guess you guys think duhon will stay after 2010 season too huh?

Basically Duhon should've been taken out of the rotation earlier in the year but there were two factors keeping him in it:

A) Knicks didn't have a veteran backup point guard. Blame Walsh.
B) D'antoni had used Duhon for a season, was familiar with him, and wanted to keep him confident.

That pretty much summarizes my response. I wanted Duhon benched, but I can see why we kept playing him, and may have been why Walsh toyed with signing Iverson. Had Duhon not turned things around, nor had Hughes played pretty well, maybe we make a deal for a PG.

playa2 wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:LOL. playa2, you're too much. So it's MDA's responsibility to keep Steph from 'self imploding'. He didn't have to justify anything. Marbury was benched for a reason and STILL given a chance later on in the season, a chance that he rudely turned down.

MDA is not the problem here, the problem is that this roster still contains a couple of morons. End of story.

I wasn't making that the issue come on orngeblobman. Management knows how fragile steph is emotionally, they knew that move of exile would have taken him over the edge and they were banking on him imploding and getting dolans money back. But what they didn't understand was he's a kid from the hood (Coney Island) he wasn't going to screw up him getting that paper 20 mil from dolemite. He's not that crazy !

I don't know. I see a guy that should still be playing in the NBA and earning millions for years to come. Whether or not they counted on him imploding, I don't know. Never thought of it that way but I wouldn't mind it if it was the case; you reap what you sow.

Asked if he had ever played Arenas for such high stakes, Hughes again was evasive.

"It depends on who you're playing with," he said. "I mean, in this league, a lot of guys don't make a lot of money, so it's not those kinds of stakes. It's all in fun."

Who is delusional now!? ha ha