The simple fact remains that the team is playing better after MDA has made his adjustments. His defensive schemes are working, his offensive adjustments are making things easier for the team to stay in games. He's not finished with this project, but so far he's made some good improvements.

loweyecue wrote:Thanks for the new thread, the other four weren't quite enough to keep up with

It's not a thread, it's a poll....

With a thread attached to it.

BasketballJones wrote:

loweyecue wrote:Thanks for the new thread, the other four weren't quite enough to keep up with

It's not a thread, it's a poll....

With a thread attached to it.

I stand corrected

So then it comes down to simple choice between whether Nates offensive skills outweigh his negative impact on the team. And while people may have their own opinions only one really counts and that would be MDAs. I suspect will be benched again and soon. And I for one will support it again. Some people never learn, and you give them an opportunity to show that they can and after that you cut them loose and move on.

Refusing trade to Memphis or anywhere else = DUMB MOVE IF TRUE
Allowing Nate and Lee to have vetoe prower on trades was also a DUMB move by Walsh

Cosmic wrote:I'm saying Nate will be Nate not in an "It's okay" but in an "It will NEVER change". In that he needs to be dealt.

Also, Nate and Lee got trade veto power by the CBA given their contract status - not by Walsh.

I agree either player vetoing a trade is silly because they wouldn't be prisoners of that new team - they'd be a 3-4 month rental - play their hearts out and go get that new contract from whoever they wanted to. Yet maybe we're dealing with some serious mental midgets here. What clown wouldn't go to even the Nets for 3-4 months, play like an all-star, and then put themselves up for a mega contract after those 3-4 months? I mean, come'on.

Didn't know about the CBA thingy, thanks for pointing that out. I agree with your original post and wasn't aiming my comments at you, rather at people who think we should not have benched him more than two games because Nate will be Nate. I am not sure about our ability to deal him because he is a liability as well as an asset in many ways already discussed in deph here. Other teams are fully aware of this. Now GSW under Mad Nelie seems to be the likely destination or maybe Washington if they really blow up. Only other team that may be interested in Minny, Kahn has fetish for point guards, he can't get enough of them

Cosmic wrote:Basketball related but with a personal undertone. The personal undertone is Nate's attitude rubbing Mike the wrong way and Nate refusing the change that or even JUST keep it under wraps.

You notice in the ATL game he was calm and composed for some time but as the game went on and he started hitting shot after shot he starting posing to the crowd, looking at the opponents bench, glaring at opponents, and each team-oriented celebration became more and more animated.
When he lept into the team when he put the Knicks up in OT by five and the Hawks called a TO you could see Mike D was FURIOUS with the celebration running onto the court shoving players towards the bench - KNOWING AS A COACH that all ATL had to do was come down and nail a 3 and it's suddenly a game again!

So, well, that's the personal side...and it will once again erupt because Nate is Nate and that won't change.

Nate will be a FA at the end of this year be it with us or ANY OTHER of the 29 teams that might trade for him prior to the deadline. So Nate needs to drop the "trade veto BS" and just go to any other team, be Nate for 3 months, then he is free to sign with any team. It's not like the guy has 6 years on his contract and would be a prisoner of a team he dislikes. It's 3-4 months!

And that is really I think MDA's problem with Nate (besides the lack of defense). This is professional basketball, not the And-1 circuit. This is not about showing up guys or pounding your chest after every basket or acting like a fool for the crowd, it is about playing disciplined basketball and winning a game. Until the game is won, there is nothing to celebrate. But Nate always allows himself to get distracted with showboating. That is just who he is, but MDA does not like it at all.

orangeblobman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:Maybe an analogy would be where the smartest kid in a classroom is also the biggest distraction (high functioning autism or asperger's, etc.) The teacher wants the kid to succeed, as well as the rest of the class, but it's just so hard to find were the twain shall meet. So they go through all kinds of attempts at discipline (timeouts, principal's office, family intervention, etc) before ultimately determining that the kid and the rest of the 20-odd kids in the class are not a good fit together. Neither enhances learning for the other. No malice from anyone involved, it's just not fair to derail the learning experience for the whole of the classroom to accommodate the special needs of the "gifted" one.

I like the analogy but my only concern is who the next gifted one will be. Hopefully Walsh will not acquire players based solely on their giftedness.

I can't go with this analogy because you are saying that the only way to be the smartest kid is to have a disorder. I was always the smartest and I've no disorders.

Please tell me this is some kind of self-parody or spoof. I mean, I get the irony of your words, but do you?

orangeblobman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:Maybe an analogy would be where the smartest kid in a classroom is also the biggest distraction (high functioning autism or asperger's, etc.) The teacher wants the kid to succeed, as well as the rest of the class, but it's just so hard to find were the twain shall meet. So they go through all kinds of attempts at discipline (timeouts, principal's office, family intervention, etc) before ultimately determining that the kid and the rest of the 20-odd kids in the class are not a good fit together. Neither enhances learning for the other. No malice from anyone involved, it's just not fair to derail the learning experience for the whole of the classroom to accommodate the special needs of the "gifted" one.

I can't go with this analogy because you are saying that the only way to be the smartest kid is to have a disorder. I was always the smartest and I've no disorders.

This is exactly what people who are smart but have disorders think. Self-deception does wonders for self-esteem, you know.

BlueSeats wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:Maybe an analogy would be where the smartest kid in a classroom is also the biggest distraction (high functioning autism or asperger's, etc.) The teacher wants the kid to succeed, as well as the rest of the class, but it's just so hard to find were the twain shall meet. So they go through all kinds of attempts at discipline (timeouts, principal's office, family intervention, etc) before ultimately determining that the kid and the rest of the 20-odd kids in the class are not a good fit together. Neither enhances learning for the other. No malice from anyone involved, it's just not fair to derail the learning experience for the whole of the classroom to accommodate the special needs of the "gifted" one.

I like the analogy but my only concern is who the next gifted one will be. Hopefully Walsh will not acquire players based solely on their giftedness.

I can't go with this analogy because you are saying that the only way to be the smartest kid is to have a disorder. I was always the smartest and I've no disorders.

Please tell me this is some kind of self-parody or spoof. I mean, I get the irony of your words, but do you?

Just to be clear, Blob, I'm not calling you dumb. But if you're reading comprehension leads you to think anyone said this

the only way to be the smartest kid is to have a disorder.

You clearly have no grounds to say this

I was always the smartest

But I'm thinking you're smart enough to do that as a goof. Good one!

loweyecue wrote:The case has been made over and over in multiple threads that MDA didn't have to prolong the benching and a two game suspension would have sufficed to get the point across. This argument flies in the face of reality because everyone here knows at some level that Nate has not gotten the point. He is immature and actually takes pride in his preening and mockery of the coach, opponents etc. And to sya Nate will be Nate doesn't somehow make it alright for him to behave this way.

as soon as Nate got benched i stressed the point that Nate would never learn any lesson from it... so why do u somehow think 14 games as opposed to a 2 game benching made any sort of difference? Nate even said himself he had no idea why he was benched to begin with but would stay ready til MDA calls his # again... during the time he was riding pine, reporters asked him if he would do anything different if he ever got the chance to play again & he replied by telling them he'd go on doing what he's been doing & that was trying to help his teammates win ballgames... this is what u got with Nate Robinson, he is not apologizing to anyone for how he is, you either love him or you hate him, those were his own words... telling the press he was humbled by the whole experience? did he look humble the other night when he was flexing & staring down the Hawks' bench, screaming at the crowd & attracting attention to himself? please.

there were people defending his behavior last year when i brought up the concerns about Nate's behavior saying it was no big deal, & now they're on the direct opposite side of the fence on the issue... i dunno how anyone couldn't have known this would eventually come to a head the way it did personally... u could see it coming a mile away... Nate is Nate, he's not gonna change... u either live with it & take the bad with the good, or you figure out a way to trade him & get back an asset that you CAN live with.