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oohah
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12/31/2009  2:11 AM
orangeblobman wrote:D'Antoni is such an A__hole. Isiah Thomas was a great man, he just needed more time to complete his vision. Isiah is a genius.

Yeah, Isiah is so dumb that He drafted Ariza who is starting for a winning team and started for the champions last season. And he drafted Lee who we all know sucks! And he drafted Frye who is playing very well for a very good team this season.

But everything Isiah does was wrong. So get to hating on David Lee will ya?

oohah

Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
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12/31/2009  2:17 AM
oohah wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:D'Antoni is such an A__hole. Isiah Thomas was a great man, he just needed more time to complete his vision. Isiah is a genius.

Yeah, Isiah is so dumb that He drafted Ariza who is starting for a winning team and started for the champions last season. And he drafted Lee who we all know sucks! And he drafted Frye who is playing very well for a very good team this season.

But everything Isiah does was wrong. So get to hating on David Lee will ya?

oohah

Just pointing out the crazyness of calling MDA an a-hole or saying that he is a crap coach. The people that do this love Isiah, which is a sign of mental illness.

WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
oohah
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12/31/2009  2:21 AM
orangeblobman wrote:
Just pointing out the crazyness of calling MDA an a-hole or saying that he is a crap coach. The people that do this love Isiah, which is a sign of mental illness.

Dude, you have too many man-crushes that cloud your vision. Try coming up with some reasoned arguments. Fanboyness annoys some of us around here.

oohah

Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
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12/31/2009  2:26 AM
orangeblobman wrote:
oohah wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:D'Antoni is such an A__hole. Isiah Thomas was a great man, he just needed more time to complete his vision. Isiah is a genius.

Yeah, Isiah is so dumb that He drafted Ariza who is starting for a winning team and started for the champions last season. And he drafted Lee who we all know sucks! And he drafted Frye who is playing very well for a very good team this season.

But everything Isiah does was wrong. So get to hating on David Lee will ya?

oohah

Just pointing out the crazyness of calling MDA an a-hole or saying that he is a crap coach. The people that do this love Isiah, which is a sign of mental illness.

no one called MDA a crap coach in this thread to my knowledge.

After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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12/31/2009  2:40 AM
oohah wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:
Just pointing out the crazyness of calling MDA an a-hole or saying that he is a crap coach. The people that do this love Isiah, which is a sign of mental illness.

Dude, you have too many man-crushes that cloud your vision. Try coming up with some reasoned arguments. Fanboyness annoys some of us around here.

oohah

Why am I required to respond with reason when the person I am responding to isn't held to these standards? You come out of nowhere after the Knicks lose to the Nets to talk **** about Gallo, saying that Yi is better or has more potential. I don't think there is a single clear-thinking person on this forum that would agree with you on that.

Spitefulness annoys everyone around here.

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12/31/2009  4:00 AM
DJ, I agree that the Nate benching should stop. I think MDA made his point, whatever it was, and needs to give Nate a chance to get back into the rotation. Nate is simply too talented and this team is simply too devoid of talent for MDA to leave him on the bench for the rest of the year. Moreover, I do think the guys are getting tired. MDA needs to expand the rotation to 10 players (Duhon, Hughes, Chandler, Gallo, Jeffries, Harrington, Nate, Bender, Douglas, and Darko/Hill). Curry's fat butt needs to sit until he loses 15 more pounds and learns how to play in the offense. You can play 9-10 guys and still give people defined roles and you save guys like Duhon and Chandler from feeling like they have to jack up shots when they are tired.

Simply put, the team did not start winning because MDA shortened the rotation. The team started winning because MDA told them to stop playing SSOL and (1) start driving to the hole more and (2) start giving more effort on defense. That is why we are winning. It is not because MDA is only playing 7 guys.

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12/31/2009  8:16 AM
misterearl wrote:Five more coaches to add to the list

Woody Hayes

Bobby Knight

Bill Parcells

Red Auerbach

Mike Leach

This ain't a popularity contest, or is it?

Papabear Says

I think they all won championships. What have Mike D won??

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12/31/2009  9:12 AM
Sitting Nate has very little to do with the Knicks winning. Mike was playing duhon heavy minutes and he was shooting 27% from the field. Harrington was being selfish firing jumpers and Chandler was terrible.

Duhon started playing like he used to, Chandler got healthy and Harrington started being more aggressive. We still suck. Have a soft schedule and that is not going to change

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12/31/2009  9:17 AM
Give break to me, and get the heck out of town.

What anyone has to complain about with Mike D is mystery to me. Compare the situation now to the situation before Mike D and Donnie got here. He is immune from all hate until next season, assuming we pick up an awesome free agent.

You think Isiah was better??? Geeze Louise.

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12/31/2009  9:22 AM
the title of this thread says it all about some posters on this board. some people will just never be happy.
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12/31/2009  9:31 AM
Guys, this whole thing is a bit of a paradox. He doesn't have the talent he needs to win with his system and we have been in a constant state of rebuilding. Does he come off as a prick sometimes, yes. But, he's had to shorten his rotation to get results - that's not his fault, that's a result of the roster. Yes, Nate could have helped a bit last night, but the kid lacks focus and hasn't proved he can concentrate enough to play defense and help the team consistently. As MDA shortened the roster, we saw results. It also acheives one of the stated goals of this management team - to develop young talent. The paradox is that while he is doing this, he is coming off as a bit of an a-hole. Nate does not have have a long term future here and therefore is expendable. This is a business afterall and not gym class. Nate would be picked early in gym, but he's done little to prove that he deserves consistent court time. Is he exciting, yes. Dependable, no. Where the Knicks winning with him playing more minutes? Not so much. Given the environment that MDA exists in, it is not surprising that he comes across as an arse at times. He's frustrated, angry, doubting his decision to be here, and trying to maintain a vision and hope in the future. If the Knicks were winning consistently, he would come across as charasmatic and positive and no one would question his decisions. He doesn't have the talent to win consistently and therefore he is scrutinized and characterized as an arse at times. Patience is not my virtue by any means, but we must remind ourselves to see the forrest through the trees. Patience young jedi.
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12/31/2009  10:11 AM
jusnice wrote:Guys, this whole thing is a bit of a paradox. He doesn't have the talent he needs to win with his system and we have been in a constant state of rebuilding. Does he come off as a prick sometimes, yes. But, he's had to shorten his rotation to get results - that's not his fault, that's a result of the roster. Yes, Nate could have helped a bit last night, but the kid lacks focus and hasn't proved he can concentrate enough to play defense and help the team consistently. As MDA shortened the roster, we saw results. It also acheives one of the stated goals of this management team - to develop young talent. The paradox is that while he is doing this, he is coming off as a bit of an a-hole. Nate does not have have a long term future here and therefore is expendable. This is a business afterall and not gym class. Nate would be picked early in gym, but he's done little to prove that he deserves consistent court time. Is he exciting, yes. Dependable, no. Where the Knicks winning with him playing more minutes? Not so much. Given the environment that MDA exists in, it is not surprising that he comes across as an arse at times. He's frustrated, angry, doubting his decision to be here, and trying to maintain a vision and hope in the future. If the Knicks were winning consistently, he would come across as charasmatic and positive and no one would question his decisions. He doesn't have the talent to win consistently and therefore he is scrutinized and characterized as an arse at times. Patience is not my virtue by any means, but we must remind ourselves to see the forrest through the trees. Patience young jedi.

And welcome to the Dark side...

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12/31/2009  10:22 AM
jusnice wrote:Guys, this whole thing is a bit of a paradox. He doesn't have the talent he needs to win with his system and we have been in a constant state of rebuilding. Does he come off as a prick sometimes, yes. But, he's had to shorten his rotation to get results - that's not his fault, that's a result of the roster. Yes, Nate could have helped a bit last night, but the kid lacks focus and hasn't proved he can concentrate enough to play defense and help the team consistently. As MDA shortened the roster, we saw results. It also acheives one of the stated goals of this management team - to develop young talent. The paradox is that while he is doing this, he is coming off as a bit of an a-hole. Nate does not have have a long term future here and therefore is expendable. This is a business afterall and not gym class. Nate would be picked early in gym, but he's done little to prove that he deserves consistent court time. Is he exciting, yes. Dependable, no. Where the Knicks winning with him playing more minutes? Not so much. Given the environment that MDA exists in, it is not surprising that he comes across as an arse at times. He's frustrated, angry, doubting his decision to be here, and trying to maintain a vision and hope in the future. If the Knicks were winning consistently, he would come across as charasmatic and positive and no one would question his decisions. He doesn't have the talent to win consistently and therefore he is scrutinized and characterized as an arse at times. Patience is not my virtue by any means, but we must remind ourselves to see the forrest through the trees. Patience young jedi.

Newbie coming up big with a good post. agree 100%

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12/31/2009  10:25 AM
The goal is not to beat the nets or the Bobcats or the Bulls. The goal is to teach the young guys the work ethic, professionalism, on court effort(on both the offensive and defensive ends) that it takes to be a long-term winner. There is no compromise. If a player cannot buy into what the coach is looking to do, the coach should not play him just to eke out an extra win to make it into the playoffs and be slaughtered by the Cavs, Celtics or Magic. We are ridding ourselves of bad habits and attempting to create positive ones so that our young guys will be ready to compete when we are a legitimate team. That's how you develop youth. You don't develop them by compromising your principals and saying "I will play you because you have a nice contract, can score and dunk. I will play you regardless of whether you listen to what I want or not, because I want to win 36 games instead of 32".

Are you guys listening to yourselves? This isn't about Nate or any individual on our bench. This is about building a team. A team of guys who will come to games(like the one against the Nets) prepared with a killer instinct. A team of guys that will up their effort across the board on the defensive end. Our core group of players is beginning to develop all of this. In years past because we coddled guys like Nate, we had none of this. When a player jerked off there was no one that would stand up and say "that's not how we do things". Now this core group of 8 or 9 are seeing success because of their efforts. No, they aren't a good team. But they are playing hard, seeing results and even battling with teams far better then them. I can guarantee you that because we built this core of guys, set a standard and D'Antoni did not compromise, it will be almost impossible for Nate to come in and play D the way he was. The coach won't tolerate it, and our emerging leaders(D.Lee) will not tolerate it either.

Subtle thing that coaches notice. For the past 2 years David Lee has had some of the worst body language in basketball. When things go bad he puts his head down, shakes it, sulks etc. Last night it was amazing how different his body language was. Team is playing like crap, he yells at the team(3 times that I caught) to step it up. He claps as he goes down court after the team gave up miserable lay-ups at least attempting to get his teammates going. It did not work last night, but these subtle changes are enormous when it comes to building a team. Others will catch on. I'm personally starting to see Al catch on a little bit as well.

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12/31/2009  10:39 AM
I'm all for the transformation of this team. I am just unsure why the Knicks drafted a player they can't use and resigned a guard they don't want to play. The same way they let Marbury play the preseason and then bench him to prove a point. The team can be professional while acting professional. The don't need to create a problem.

There was no reason to exhaust the starters the night before in Detriot with a back to back on deck. Hill should have seen time. I don't buy this rythm routine Mike is talking about. Douglas isn't a player that can't play and then come in and make a difference. We needed to build some value with Eddy and he could have very easily put a little pressure on lopez for 10-15 minutes. Lee can't always win the matchup.

Showing Nate how to be a professional is something that was needed. However I just don't want to see a double standard. Losing two games for hanging on the rim and launching the ball everytime you get it isn't professional either. He should have made the point with Nate last season, but was riding him because he was playing exceptional ball.

Just be the same coach no matter the circumstance.

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12/31/2009  10:41 AM
Bip, you're 100% right on.

The body language of this team, even in a loss to a lowly team, was so much improved from anything that we've seen in this generation of the Knicks.

The Nets were playing like this was their SuperBowl. Good for them. The Knicks were exhausted, but they were fighting back as well like they haven't in seasons past.

A tough thing for the Knicks is that Jeffries and to a lesser extent, Hughes, make it possible for them to put weak defenders on the floor, and patch together a team defense. That's difficult because Jeffries and Hughes can have terrible offensive nights that will take you out of ball-games if the rest of the team is not on their game. Last night you had a team that was playing marginal offensive ball aside from Chandler and Lee, and they cannot overcome Jeffries and Hughes continued struggles.

There's nothing you can do about it. As currently constructed, we will live and die with the streaks of these players. I believe this is the maximum that you can get out of this team.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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12/31/2009  10:42 AM
Bippity10 wrote:The goal is not to beat the nets or the Bobcats or the Bulls. The goal is to teach the young guys the work ethic, professionalism, on court effort(on both the offensive and defensive ends) that it takes to be a long-term winner. There is no compromise. If a player cannot buy into what the coach is looking to do, the coach should not play him just to eke out an extra win to make it into the playoffs and be slaughtered by the Cavs, Celtics or Magic. We are ridding ourselves of bad habits and attempting to create positive ones so that our young guys will be ready to compete when we are a legitimate team. That's how you develop youth. You don't develop them by compromising your principals and saying "I will play you because you have a nice contract, can score and dunk. I will play you regardless of whether you listen to what I want or not, because I want to win 36 games instead of 32".

Are you guys listening to yourselves? This isn't about Nate or any individual on our bench. This is about building a team. A team of guys who will come to games(like the one against the Nets) prepared with a killer instinct. A team of guys that will up their effort across the board on the defensive end. Our core group of players is beginning to develop all of this. In years past because we coddled guys like Nate, we had none of this. When a player jerked off there was no one that would stand up and say "that's not how we do things". Now this core group of 8 or 9 are seeing success because of their efforts. No, they aren't a good team. But they are playing hard, seeing results and even battling with teams far better then them. I can guarantee you that because we built this core of guys, set a standard and D'Antoni did not compromise, it will be almost impossible for Nate to come in and play D the way he was. The coach won't tolerate it, and our emerging leaders(D.Lee) will not tolerate it either.

Subtle thing that coaches notice. For the past 2 years David Lee has had some of the worst body language in basketball. When things go bad he puts his head down, shakes it, sulks etc. Last night it was amazing how different his body language was. Team is playing like crap, he yells at the team(3 times that I caught) to step it up. He claps as he goes down court after the team gave up miserable lay-ups at least attempting to get his teammates going. It did not work last night, but these subtle changes are enormous when it comes to building a team. Others will catch on. I'm personally starting to see Al catch on a little bit as well.

Due to my wonderful and beautiful daughters, I was not able to watch the game as closely as you did, but I have to agree. Lee kept the effort up in a lost cause. I have had my issues with Lee, but as long as we are committed to Pringles and his system, I am at least open to keeping him long term now.

One thing I would have loved to see was the baptism by fire of Gallo. I was really hoping he would step up-and Pringles would run the offense through him- and keep the game competitive but after I saw Duhon chuck up that 25 footer right after Gallo hit those 2 threes, I knew that wasn't gonna happen. But what didn't escape me was this is the 2nd time we have seen Gallo shake off a terrible terrible game and hit 2 threes when the team really needed it. You can say he hit them in garbage time, but if I recall it brought us to within 10 or 11 with 5 minutes to go. To me a come back is not out of the question in that situation.

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12/31/2009  10:46 AM
MS wrote:I'm all for the transformation of this team. I am just unsure why the Knicks drafted a player they can't use and resigned a guard they don't want to play. The same way they let Marbury play the preseason and then bench him to prove a point. The team can be professional while acting professional. The don't need to create a problem.

There was no reason to exhaust the starters the night before in Detriot with a back to back on deck. Hill should have seen time. I don't buy this rythm routine Mike is talking about. Douglas isn't a player that can't play and then come in and make a difference. We needed to build some value with Eddy and he could have very easily put a little pressure on lopez for 10-15 minutes. Lee can't always win the matchup.

Showing Nate how to be a professional is something that was needed. However I just don't want to see a double standard. Losing two games for hanging on the rim and launching the ball everytime you get it isn't professional either. He should have made the point with Nate last season, but was riding him because he was playing exceptional ball.

Just be the same coach no matter the circumstance.

While I agree Jennings would have been a much better pick than Hill (look back, I compared Jennings to OJ Mayo-with the attitude questions, diva attitude, etc., etc. before the draft), I still think we got to give Hill a chance.

Just think what would happen if Hill only got up to a Ty Chandler/Okafor level. Put that guy next to Lee and Gallo and if you can sign Lebron and a PG that compliments the superstar(like Mo does on Cleveland) you have the makings of a VERY good team.

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12/31/2009  10:48 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/31/2009  11:15 AM
what jusnice said

"This is a business afterall and not gym class."

jusnice, your summary is an outstanding analysis of the Knicks position as a franchise in the process of a cultural change. The change in playing personality is so apparent that Stevie Wonder can see it. It is not so important to celebrate wins and wring hands over losses, as it is to watch how the Knicks are learning to be professionals and execute their defense. The talent level will continue to be improved incrementally over the next two seasons.

Chris Bosh in the linescore, replacing Jared Jeffries as a starter, will be tasty indeed.

In the memorable quote of Isiah Thomas, who selected some of valuable building blocks in Channing Frye, Matt Barnes, Trevor Ariza, Wilson Chandler and David Lee...

"This ain't charity"

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12/31/2009  11:16 AM
Bippity10 wrote:The goal is not to beat the nets or the Bobcats or the Bulls. The goal is to teach the young guys the work ethic, professionalism, on court effort(on both the offensive and defensive ends) that it takes to be a long-term winner. There is no compromise. If a player cannot buy into what the coach is looking to do, the coach should not play him just to eke out an extra win to make it into the playoffs and be slaughtered by the Cavs, Celtics or Magic. We are ridding ourselves of bad habits and attempting to create positive ones so that our young guys will be ready to compete when we are a legitimate team. That's how you develop youth. You don't develop them by compromising your principals and saying "I will play you because you have a nice contract, can score and dunk. I will play you regardless of whether you listen to what I want or not, because I want to win 36 games instead of 32".

Are you guys listening to yourselves? This isn't about Nate or any individual on our bench. This is about building a team. A team of guys who will come to games(like the one against the Nets) prepared with a killer instinct. A team of guys that will up their effort across the board on the defensive end. Our core group of players is beginning to develop all of this. In years past because we coddled guys like Nate, we had none of this. When a player jerked off there was no one that would stand up and say "that's not how we do things". Now this core group of 8 or 9 are seeing success because of their efforts. No, they aren't a good team. But they are playing hard, seeing results and even battling with teams far better then them. I can guarantee you that because we built this core of guys, set a standard and D'Antoni did not compromise, it will be almost impossible for Nate to come in and play D the way he was. The coach won't tolerate it, and our emerging leaders(D.Lee) will not tolerate it either.

Subtle thing that coaches notice. For the past 2 years David Lee has had some of the worst body language in basketball. When things go bad he puts his head down, shakes it, sulks etc. Last night it was amazing how different his body language was. Team is playing like crap, he yells at the team(3 times that I caught) to step it up. He claps as he goes down court after the team gave up miserable lay-ups at least attempting to get his teammates going. It did not work last night, but these subtle changes are enormous when it comes to building a team. Others will catch on. I'm personally starting to see Al catch on a little bit as well.

Excellent post Bip...I agree 100%.....

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