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jusnice
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12/31/2009  12:24 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:
sebstar wrote:
AI wrote:If David Lee was black would he be compared to Amare.....people would even say he is better. He is white and he is seen as scrappy player...

whats the point of asking this? What are you trying to accomplish?

Lee could be viewed as a "scrappy" player (and I really dont hear him called such, but I'll play along) because he is relatively un-athletic and he lacks true dominant, franchise-level talent. He largely lives off of put backs, having a good nose for the ball, and a solid mid-range j.

Nobody calls Steve Nash scrappy.

How can you say Lee is relatively un-athletic? From the date of his combine results on (where he was rated as the most athletic player in the draft) he has shown an exceptional athletic ability. Offensively on the low block, he may be as skilled as anyone in the league. His range is questionable, but it is clear that he is adding the mid-range jumper to his repertoire. Defensively, he needs to step it up a notch.

Where I agree with you is the franchise level talent. I don't think he can carry the offensive load where defenses are targeting him to shut him down. He'll still make an impact while cleaning the glass and putting back shots.

I was able to watch the Suns and the Knicks last night and have to agree that Amare is much more athletic than Lee. If athleticism can be described as explosiveness, jumping / leaping ability, and quickness, then he has Lee beat on all fronts, even with all the extra miles he's carrying around. In his prime, he was a much more dominant force than Lee currently is. I do not believe he is in his prime any longer and Lee currently has more upside, especially if his jumper and assist abilities continue to develop. He's getting there, but may never be as explosive as Amare was or currently is. I was amazed at his jumping ability on some put backs and one step dunks. He also displayed a solid jumper and ability to guard the hoop.

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12/31/2009  12:29 PM
I don't know how to react to this 'Lee isn't athletic'. Lee is very athletic. There are different versions of athleticism. His finishing around the basket is pure athleticism. It's not reading comprehension. His durability is athleticism. His nose for the rebound is athleticism. You know?

If he was black, I don't know what would be different. Maybe he would get more respect for what he does, whereas now people constantly doubt him no matter how many double doubles he has.

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12/31/2009  12:37 PM
Was Charles Oakley athletic?

Gus Johnson?

Truck Robinson?

George McGinnis?

"Athletic" or not, when David Lee puts it up... the ball seems to go through the hoop.

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Marv
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12/31/2009  12:44 PM
misterearl wrote:Was Charles Oakley athletic?

Gus Johnson?

Truck Robinson?

George McGinnis?

"Athletic" or not, when David Lee puts it up... the ball seems to go through the hoop.

gus johnson and george mcginnis were out of this world athletic.

charles oakley and truck robinson were not.

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12/31/2009  12:51 PM
Post Racial Knicks

"If he was black, I don't know what would be different. Maybe he would get more respect for what he does, whereas now people constantly doubt him no matter how many double doubles he has."

orangeblob - David Lee would get more respect if he were black? Interesting theory. You think he would have a better time hailing a cab at night as well? Would the black David Lee be able to purchase a house in Bensonhurst, Brighton Beach or Bronxville with no hassles?

Would the black David Lee have a white girlfriend?

and why does the color of David Lee's skin matter?

I thought the only colors that mattered were orange and blue.

Evidently not.

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12/31/2009  1:16 PM
its about to be 2010...let it go already
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12/31/2009  2:29 PM
The knicks feature Lee as a front court player, and don't any other team in the NBA would do that. I think alot of his stats are inflated.
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12/31/2009  2:46 PM
Anji wrote:The knicks feature Lee as a front court player, and don't any other team in the NBA would do that. I think alot of his stats are inflated.

would they feature him if he was black tho?

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12/31/2009  2:53 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/31/2009  2:55 PM
misterearl wrote:Post Racial Knicks

"If he was black, I don't know what would be different. Maybe he would get more respect for what he does, whereas now people constantly doubt him no matter how many double doubles he has."

orangeblob - David Lee would get more respect if he were black? Interesting theory. You think he would have a better time hailing a cab at night as well? Would the black David Lee be able to purchase a house in Bensonhurst, Brighton Beach or Bronxville with no hassles?

Would the black David Lee have a white girlfriend?

and why does the color of David Lee's skin matter?

I thought the only colors that mattered were orange and blue.

Evidently not.

I was responding to the original question, what is your major malfunction? White NBA players always have it on them to prove they're awesome enough to ball at the NBA level.

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12/31/2009  3:41 PM
There are many athletic white players. What about Balkman?
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12/31/2009  4:10 PM
jusnice wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
sebstar wrote:
AI wrote:If David Lee was black would he be compared to Amare.....people would even say he is better. He is white and he is seen as scrappy player...

whats the point of asking this? What are you trying to accomplish?

Lee could be viewed as a "scrappy" player (and I really dont hear him called such, but I'll play along) because he is relatively un-athletic and he lacks true dominant, franchise-level talent. He largely lives off of put backs, having a good nose for the ball, and a solid mid-range j.

Nobody calls Steve Nash scrappy.

How can you say Lee is relatively un-athletic? From the date of his combine results on (where he was rated as the most athletic player in the draft) he has shown an exceptional athletic ability. Offensively on the low block, he may be as skilled as anyone in the league. His range is questionable, but it is clear that he is adding the mid-range jumper to his repertoire. Defensively, he needs to step it up a notch.

Where I agree with you is the franchise level talent. I don't think he can carry the offensive load where defenses are targeting him to shut him down. He'll still make an impact while cleaning the glass and putting back shots.

Amare is much more athletic than Lee. If athleticism can be described as explosiveness, jumping / leaping ability, and quickness, then he has Lee beat on all fronts, even with all the extra miles he's carrying around.

Exactly. Talking about above the rim play in game, not some damn combine..

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12/31/2009  5:31 PM
here is the thing with Lee in a nutshell... he's gone and developed skills most of us didnt know you could develop. We are used to seeing guys get better at what they do, thats a normal progression in the NBA. But Lee had ZERO post game 2-3 years ago. Now he scores with his back to the basket on straight up feed the post sets. Lee had little to no handle 2-3 years ago. Now the PG hands the ball off to him like a point forward at the top of the 3 point line and he orchestrates. Lee didnt show much of a jumper 2-3 years ago, now he knocks down the 15-18 footer like he's a 35 year old Karl Malone. Lee played ZERO defense ONE year ago (or two months ago) and now on most nights he's a scrappy player there.

The develop of his game has been outstanding and thats an understatement. He went from being an eff% double double guy to one of the more skilled frontcourt players in 2-3 years.

That level of dedication to expanding one's game is nothing short of impressive.

He's our guy. Pay him and keep him as our guy.

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12/31/2009  5:43 PM

Amare is a freak. Lee is extremely athletic.

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Im wondering something about Lee

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