CHAOS wrote:Troy Murphy

I'd love Troy Murphy in this system..at the right price/# of years..dunno what chance we have of getting either.

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

CHAOS wrote:Troy Murphy

I'd love Troy Murphy in this system..at the right price/# of years..dunno what chance we have of getting either.

Id like us to play Jordan Hill to see what we have. I really believe guys like Koufus mcgee Jordan Hill--they need a chance to play in the right situation. I would give up Jordan Hill for Mcgee--I think that he would be better for this team. Id be willing to pay up with a combination of assets--even 2 future picks for Randolph but I just dont see gS giving him up. What a coup that would be --they DO have a lot of bigs with Wright Turriaf Biendrins Randolph

BRIGGS wrote:We could hold cap space for 2011 and offer a max contact to Mark gasol--that would be getting a skilled 7-1 265 Pd C in his prime at 25 who can do 20-10-2

Gasol is a great option in 2011, he looks like a top-5 pure center in the league for many years. I'm really interested in seeing what Hill can provide long term, and i think he, gallo, and Lee are the frontcourt of the future. This is why i would like a vet center like Camby for a year, to help along with Hill's development. Hopefully we add a star to play the 2, and then in the future if Hill works out we can look at PGs (Parker in 2011, Paul in 2012) or a new center like Gasol if it appears Hill will be no more than a solid backup.

David Lee is our PnR big. MDA would probably prefer for the PnR big to be the center for defensive purposes. As if the PnR big is the PF that means the center is going to have to not only be the guy who can step out and knock down 3s from the perimeter but also be the defensive shotblocking anchor on defense which is very hard to find. If the natural center was the PnR big though then finding that type of player is easier to find.

Lee playing so great puts them in a tougher position because now they have to decide if they really want to keep him. And they are going to have to find the personnel that fits him and what they are trying to do. They are going to want the big man that they are going to put next to him to be able to spread the floor knocking down outside shots allowing Lee to have tons of room to be an unstoppable PnR guy. That is why Bender is able to get burn over Curry and Hill.

Jordan Hill better be working on his 3 pt range if he plans on getting any type of burn in the near or distant future. Or they are going to need to look to move Lee in a deal to unload contracts and put all the effort into developing Hill as the main PnR/Center. Or they are going to need to trade Hill for the type of center they are looking for, or so they could unload a contract.

Rookie wrote:

Gallinari at the PF spot would fit on the offensive end. We still are going to need better defense. We're really exposed when Jeffries is not on the court. Having a big long agile defensive center makes losing JJ alot easier. At this point, he's really helping us but hopefully we can trade him. When he's gone, we're really going to be missing something on the defensive end with Lee. Who's going to pick up the slack. This is why I think we need a big agile stopper who actually also has some offensive game. Lee is doing great, I just don't think he's the answer.

Big agile stoppers with some offensive game:

Marcus Camby
Josh Smith
Nene (how ironic!!! Nene McDyess Camby..all Knicks at one point and we came away with ____ eddie curry and jared jefferies??)
Al Horford
Marc Gasol
Andrew bynum
Tyrus Thomas

Questionable Defense:

Andrea Bargnani (not so much on the d, but he does block shots)
Amare
Aldridge
Troy Murphy

Questionable offense:

Jason Thompson
Joakim Noah

Do the Knicks have a shot at signing ANY of these guys? If not..who fits the bill?

This is not meant to be a potshot at you specifically Rookie but if you're Donnie Walsh and you come to the same conclusion that you did (We need a big agile stopped who actually also has some offensive game)..where do you start?

To me, the best you can hope for is to draft one on the cheap...

Or just settle for half the equation and go for someone who can play D, block shots, and at least finish on the offensive end.

Haywood? But does Haywood fit into an MDA offense?

djsunyc wrote:not a 2010 option, but if bargnani was on this team, he would be averaging 25+ ppg...

we already got a better version of bargnani.

Rookie wrote:Given their different skill sets, who would be your ideal FA center to sign in 2010 - David Lee or Brendan Haywood? Personally, I would take Haywood at 8-9M before I sign Lee at 12M. I wouldn't be surprised at this point if Lee's agent doesn't look for more than that.

Assuming we can't move Jefferies or Eddy and we can't sign 2 max players.

If financially possible....

I'd trade Al for Tyrus Thomas and resign Thomas to a fair deal.

I'd re-sign Lee to play center and play Thomas at PF - with Gallo at the 3.

I'd sign Lebron if possible and put the ball in his hands at the 1.

Try to sign a lower tier point guard (Blake?).

Then add another big time free agent in 2011...once Eddy and Jefferies expire.

Blake
Lebron
Gallo
Thomas
Lee

Douglas
Chandler
Hill
Jefferies
Eddy (back up to 450)

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

djsunyc wrote:not a 2010 option, but if bargnani was on this team, he would be averaging 25+ ppg...

we already got a better version of bargnani.

i'm not disagreeing with you but what does gallo do better than bargnani? they kind of seem almost like the same player to me statistically. (3s, blocks, some rebounding)

gallo's price tag is infinitely better of course.

gallo is an SF, bargnani is a PF/C - they play two completely different positions creating two completely different type of mismatches.

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:Do you pay DLee $50 M for 5 years?

Not sure if you are asking me that question.

I'd answer this way....

Once I knew I had Lebron -- I'd work out #s for Thomas and give Lee whatever else is available.

Not sure on the #s but it would likely be tough without moving Jefferies.

Maybe Lebron really would take less than MAX -- that would be an AWESOME statement on his part and greatly endear him further to NYC fans if he took less to allow us to build a better team around him.

Could you imagine Lebron breaking down the defense and dropping passes off to Lee or alley oops to Thomas or kick-outs to Gallo.

I think Ty Thomas is a perfect fit (in this system) next to Lee. He helps him defensively - he gives us a shot blocker and he can still keep the pick=roll option open by stepping out and hitting the 18 footer.