Uptown wrote:

anrst wrote:Talented players are benched every game in the NBA. Only it New York does someone have to be dramatic and in-the-wrong about it.

Exactly...Case and point, TMac was sent home for the weekend, Salmons was sent to the bench in Chi, Tinsley was bannished from Indy last year, yet this seems to be the biggest story of them all.....

Was TMac or Tinsley re-signed last year by their team?

Uptown wrote:

anrst wrote:Talented players are benched every game in the NBA. Only it New York does someone have to be dramatic and in-the-wrong about it.

Exactly...Case and point, TMac was sent home for the weekend, Salmons was sent to the bench in Chi, Tinsley was bannished from Indy last year, yet this seems to be the biggest story of them all.....

salmons was moved from the starting lineup to the bench...not DNP-CD's...he was still playing.
tinlsey hanging out at strip clubs and being shot at might have something to do with it.

tmac...i'm guessing is retaliation for the douche move of getting surgery before the trade deadline 2 seasons ago.

point is...talented guys getting dnp-cd's while guys in front of them are not that good is a personal decision by the coach that has nothing to do with basketball.

CrushAlot wrote:

Uptown wrote:

anrst wrote:Talented players are benched every game in the NBA. Only it New York does someone have to be dramatic and in-the-wrong about it.

Exactly...Case and point, TMac was sent home for the weekend, Salmons was sent to the bench in Chi, Tinsley was bannished from Indy last year, yet this seems to be the biggest story of them all.....

Was TMac or Tinsley re-signed last year by their team?

You're right, we shouldn't have signed him at all and just let him dangle out there and give only give him the QO instead of being generous with the extra $2 mil.

CrushAlot wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

arkrud wrote:

buddapaw wrote:

arkrud wrote:

JesseDark wrote:

sebstar wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

JesseDark wrote:I don't see this covered in a post yet...

I think the Marburization of Nate continues. The fine may be coming from the NBA and not the Knicks but is a little over the top IMO, especially since it was something his agent said and not him.

does the Marburization of Nate imply that marbury was a good player who the organization made look bad and forced out of town? if that's true for marbury was has no one else signed him?

I think he is trying to draw parallels with the demonetization of the two, but obviously one was clearly more deserving of ire than the other.

This Nate situation is growing absurd. Are the Knicks addicted to drama to the point where they actively seek it out and attempt to provoke? Why isnt there the same dedication to winning?

It seems like we are assured one of these soap operas every year. In almost all cases, these situations are easily avoidable.

That is exactly what I am referring too. We have seen this movie before. This situation is a negative especially when the goal is to lure free agents next year.

Any top FA who has respect for the game of backetball will approve what MDA is doing with Nate.
Nate making a mocery from the game avery time he steps on the court. It is all about him, not about the team.
The only exuse I can take for him - he has a mind of kindergardener. But no exuses for his agent - he knows what he is doing.
That's why Nate can say whatever he want, but his agent shoud think about what he is talking about.

You can't expect to be taken seriously with a post like this right?

I am damn serious.
Ask Lebron or Wade if they want to have Nate on their team dancing and shooting at his own basket while losing?
He will have his a..ss kicked and send away from the team in no time.

Maybe the problem was that he felt he could do that in the situation he was in. I guarantee he wouldn't do it if he played for Phil, Pop, Sloan, Frank, Skiles, or most coaches. Was the problem that Nate's teammates didn't police him enough or that the coach allowed things to go too far and then reacted by shunning him and passing the problem onto the gm? If MDA knew he couldn't coach Nate he needed to communicate this in a strong manner over the summer to Walsh.

So in your skewed perception of our culture, the Man is to blame for all, right? And Mr. Lowly Working Man Millionaire is a victim?? Give break to me. Is all men we're talking about, not boys, although Nate acts like one.

MDA treats his players the way they should be treated. Is not his fault they are nowhere near that in reality.

Are you implying that sure fire hall of fame coaches like Pop, Sloan, Phil and Riley treat their players in a way that they shouldn't? Are you saying that all guys in their twenties should not be provided with structure, guidance, authority because they are talented enough to play professional basketball? I don't think you can expect everyone to have the same level of maturity and professionalism just because they have a contract to play on an NBA team. If your expectation on your team is that your players display a high level of character and professionalism based on their individual character and not on team/coach expectations you do not re-sign a guy like Nate.

Nate is worthless as a person and a player, that's what I'm saying. He was resigned 'just because'. No one wanted him, he put some stupid fans in the seats, we had a whole 'nother year to go before 2010. It's not like he was resigned to a championship squad.

Bottom line: Nate is overated, overhyped, overvalued. He walk, walk right into the river and sink. 'Word is bon''.

joec32033 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Uptown wrote:

anrst wrote:Talented players are benched every game in the NBA. Only it New York does someone have to be dramatic and in-the-wrong about it.

Exactly...Case and point, TMac was sent home for the weekend, Salmons was sent to the bench in Chi, Tinsley was bannished from Indy last year, yet this seems to be the biggest story of them all.....

Was TMac or Tinsley re-signed last year by their team?

You're right, we shouldn't have signed him at all and just let him dangle out there and give only give him the QO instead of being generous with the extra $2 mil.

i agree w/this... i don't know why the Knicks consistently pay more for players than they have to... if Donnie & MDA thought Nate was deserving of more than he was owed as a show of good faith then they should be playing him, case closed... what's the point in signing him at all if they were already just about fed up with his shenanigans?

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Uptown wrote:

anrst wrote:Talented players are benched every game in the NBA. Only it New York does someone have to be dramatic and in-the-wrong about it.

Exactly...Case and point, TMac was sent home for the weekend, Salmons was sent to the bench in Chi, Tinsley was bannished from Indy last year, yet this seems to be the biggest story of them all.....

Was TMac or Tinsley re-signed last year by their team?

You're right, we shouldn't have signed him at all and just let him dangle out there and give only give him the QO instead of being generous with the extra $2 mil.

i agree w/this... i don't know why the Knicks consistently pay more for players than they have to... if Donnie & MDA thought Nate was deserving of more than he was owed as a show of good faith then they should be playing him, case closed... what's the point in signing him at all if they were already just about fed up with his shenanigans?

it seems as if you are saying that Donnie and MDA should play a player based on his contract.

What's the point of Nate signing if HE know he was not going to change his attitude and not play defense?

that's not what i'm saying at all... i made the point pretty clear, if the Knicks were already growing tired of Nate's shenanigans, why pay him more than they absolutely had to? it's as if they rewarded him for the player he was... what kinda message does that send to the player? if i'm Nate & i'm getting a bonus from my boss for what i did last year, wouldn't it make sense to keep doing what i was doing last year?

nyk4ever wrote:

TMS wrote:

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Uptown wrote:

anrst wrote:Talented players are benched every game in the NBA. Only it New York does someone have to be dramatic and in-the-wrong about it.

Exactly...Case and point, TMac was sent home for the weekend, Salmons was sent to the bench in Chi, Tinsley was bannished from Indy last year, yet this seems to be the biggest story of them all.....

Was TMac or Tinsley re-signed last year by their team?

You're right, we shouldn't have signed him at all and just let him dangle out there and give only give him the QO instead of being generous with the extra $2 mil.

i agree w/this... i don't know why the Knicks consistently pay more for players than they have to... if Donnie & MDA thought Nate was deserving of more than he was owed as a show of good faith then they should be playing him, case closed... what's the point in signing him at all if they were already just about fed up with his shenanigans?

it seems as if you are saying that Donnie and MDA should play a player based on his contract.

What's the point of Nate signing if HE know he was not going to change his attitude and not play defense?

that's not what i'm saying at all... i made the point pretty clear, if the Knicks were already growing tired of Nate's shenanigans, why pay him more than they absolutely had to? it's as if they rewarded him for the player he was... what kinda message does that send to the player? if i'm Nate & i'm getting a bonus from my boss for what i did last year, wouldn't it make sense to keep doing what i was doing last year?

you could takes Nate's raise the way you did OR you could take it like the knicks showed him in good faith that he would keep growing as a player and learn and practice some of the things he didnt do well, instead of continuing to be the bumbling child that he is.

if the Knicks thought he was a bumbing child they should never have given him the raise to begin with... that's the point.

TMS wrote:i don't care if Nate's mad... i only care about Nate's trade value... i don't wanna lose him for nothing, he's a talented player & we should be able to get something for him, not destroying his trade value in this fashion by making him look like he's unwanted here... if MDA was about fed up w/Nate we shoulda traded him last year, u could see Nate was never going to change his ways a long time ago... this is just who he is... the way this organization handles players seriously boggles the mind.

I see what you're saying, I just can't get that up in arms about it. If the Knicks know that Nate is a baby then the rest of the league does to.

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:that's not what i'm saying at all... i made the point pretty clear, if the Knicks were already growing tired of Nate's shenanigans, why pay him more than they absolutely had to? it's as if they rewarded him for the player he was... what kinda message does that send to the player? if i'm Nate & i'm getting a bonus from my boss for what i did last year, wouldn't it make sense to keep doing what i was doing last year?

i think there is a lot more finesse that goes on with the relationship between player, team, GM, coach than either you are missing or forgetting about.

Nate did have stretches last year where he was AWESOME, no doubt about it. 6th man fireplug that went on a terror. he also is the kind of guy where coaches need to put too much time into babysitting, and that means Nate in particular is wasting the coaching staff's time to work on other things and taking away from the team in general.

Nate had told Donnie that he wanted to stay in NY. NY prob wanted Nate (needed Nate cause of their lack of depth at PG/SG with a rookie in Douglas) but not the headache. Nate prob told Donnie that he was gonna change (especially after not receiving any other offers) There is a chance that Nate turns things around and becoming a consistent 15ppg scorer off the bench and hell on wheels pressuring the ball which exploding for 25+ppg a couple of times a month- those are the things he has talent for.

Now, as a GM, you can't really offer Lee a raise and not Nate, just wouldn't fly with agents, fans, media, player - someone will feel slighted. If you don't bring back Nate and the same sort of injuries happen to Duhon and Douglas is caca, what happens? So, we offer him an extra million + $1M for playoffs. Good compromise.

Offering a bit of a raise was benevolent by Donnie. No 2 ways around it. But that is NOT to say that Nate wouldn't have to hold up his end of the bargain (team play, do what coach is asking for) nor that it would guarantee minutes. IMHO, Nate has not lived up to what he should be doing on a day-to-day basis.

THIS YEAR. He is still going waaaayyyy under picks. Still being a clown before, during, after. We don't even know what's going on on the plane and in practice. Is he rotating on D like MDA has asked of him and other players? Played the role on O like he has been asked? Pressured the ball?

Nate is not a PG & never was one... if you're worried about someone feeling slighted, then trade Nate, simple... if you're not happy w/the way Nate's behaving on the court, trade him last year before we get to this point where now everyone knows MDA can no longer stand him & we're about to buy him out of his contract.

we needed a PG & the Knicks drafted Toney Douglas thinking he'd be able to fill the role in the future... so far it looks like they missed on that one too cuz he's more of a SG himself than a PG... so basically we passed on drafting a PG this year in the lottery, re-signed Nate thinking he was a PG even tho it was obvious he wasn't, & drafted Toney Douglas who we thought could be a PG but isn't (at least not yet)... i love the way this team thinks.

& dude, u don't gotta ask me whether Nate's been doing the things MDA has asked of him... i was the one telling you that Nate would not have a future on this team last year, remember? this was even before & after that awesome stretch of games he had where he was lighting it up... this is what u get from Nate... awesome games like those & then the other stupid nonsense he brings to the table... this is who the Knicks should have known he'd be, we've been dealing w/this kid since he was drafted.

i know of no other company in the business world that rewards its employees for acting like a fool & doesn't do what is asked of him... by giving Nate a pay raise we in effect did just that... & now people are asking why Nate can't learn how to behave like a professional... i know of no other company out there that buys out contracts of employees that bring nothing to the table as often as the Knicks do either, but after watching guys like Steve Francis, Mo Taylor, Jalen Rose & Stephon Marbury get their lucrative buyouts & allowed to walk for nothing, my guess is Curry & Nate are both just counting the days until they're given their buyouts too.

IMO this entire situation was mishandled from not trading him last year, to his contract signing this past offseason, to the way they've handled his benching this year... i'm just waiting for the final shoe to drop so we can watch Nate get his buyout & go sign on w/another team & he starts putting up numbers again... you're gonna see the threads pop up like crazy around here about why MDA didn't play Nate more, why we didn't lock him up to a longterm extension this past offseason, blah blah blah... just watch, it's gonna happen.

Bippity10 wrote:

TMS wrote:

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:that's not what i'm saying at all... i made the point pretty clear, if the Knicks were already growing tired of Nate's shenanigans, why pay him more than they absolutely had to? it's as if they rewarded him for the player he was... what kinda message does that send to the player? if i'm Nate & i'm getting a bonus from my boss for what i did last year, wouldn't it make sense to keep doing what i was doing last year?

i think there is a lot more finesse that goes on with the relationship between player, team, GM, coach than either you are missing or forgetting about.

Nate did have stretches last year where he was AWESOME, no doubt about it. 6th man fireplug that went on a terror. he also is the kind of guy where coaches need to put too much time into babysitting, and that means Nate in particular is wasting the coaching staff's time to work on other things and taking away from the team in general.

Nate had told Donnie that he wanted to stay in NY. NY prob wanted Nate (needed Nate cause of their lack of depth at PG/SG with a rookie in Douglas) but not the headache. Nate prob told Donnie that he was gonna change (especially after not receiving any other offers) There is a chance that Nate turns things around and becoming a consistent 15ppg scorer off the bench and hell on wheels pressuring the ball which exploding for 25+ppg a couple of times a month- those are the things he has talent for.

Now, as a GM, you can't really offer Lee a raise and not Nate, just wouldn't fly with agents, fans, media, player - someone will feel slighted. If you don't bring back Nate and the same sort of injuries happen to Duhon and Douglas is caca, what happens? So, we offer him an extra million + $1M for playoffs. Good compromise.

Offering a bit of a raise was benevolent by Donnie. No 2 ways around it. But that is NOT to say that Nate wouldn't have to hold up his end of the bargain (team play, do what coach is asking for) nor that it would guarantee minutes. IMHO, Nate has not lived up to what he should be doing on a day-to-day basis.

THIS YEAR. He is still going waaaayyyy under picks. Still being a clown before, during, after. We don't even know what's going on on the plane and in practice. Is he rotating on D like MDA has asked of him and other players? Played the role on O like he has been asked? Pressured the ball?

IMO this entire situation was mishandled from not trading him last year, to his contract signing this past offseason, to the way they've handled his benching this year... i'm just waiting for the final shoe to drop so we can watch Nate get his buyout & go sign on w/another team & he starts putting up numbers again... you're gonna see the threads pop up like crazy around here about why MDA didn't play Nate more, why we didn't lock him up to a longterm extension this past offseason, blah blah blah... just watch, it's gonna happen.

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