misterearl wrote:Say What?

"D Walsh was pretty open about not making the decisions in the draft for goodness sakes."

briggs - Do you still insist that Bender owns a lesser quality basketball skill set than Eddy Curry?

I look forward to watching Toney Douglas play

Before Isiah Thomas--who grossly overpaid for Eddy curry to the point of regurgitation--went out and acquired the only max player left that he could get his hands on in Zach Randolph--Eddy Curry was actually turning into a nice C for us. He destroyed eddy's development and set the team back 5 years to coat his own ego. Who is JOhn bender and why do I care? John Bender was never close to the NBA production of Eddy Curry. Skill sets--who cares unless they are productive--means 0.

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

misterearl wrote:Say What?

"D Walsh was pretty open about not making the decisions in the draft for goodness sakes."

briggs - Do you still insist that Bender owns a lesser quality basketball skill set than Eddy Curry?

I look forward to watching Toney Douglas play

Before Isiah Thomas--who grossly overpaid for Eddy curry to the point of regurgitation--went out and acquired the only max player left that he could get his hands on in Zach Randolph--Eddy Curry was actually turning into a nice C for us. He destroyed eddy's development and set the team back 5 years to coat his own ego. Who is JOhn bender and why do I care? John Bender was never close to the NBA production of Eddy Curry. Skill sets--who cares unless they are productive--means 0.

i disagree with anyone who is asserting that eddy curry has a skill set that leads to winning basketball games in the NBA. he can score - but i'd love to see his field % adjusted to account for turnovers.

curry is absolutely horrible. he's a waste of space on the basketball court.

i don't love playing bender above jordan hill, but i'd rather play bender than curry.

still, i'd rather see jordan hill. he seemed to be an active rebounder with a decent mid range shot.

Curry--before we traded for zach was turning into a very fine C--he was dominating at times. I dont remember John bender dominating anything but hype.

McK1 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:Other than the fact that Nate and Eddy had many, many, many, many, many, many, many chances to get on board with the team and they never did and Bender just got here is playing ok considering his 3 years off, and is willing to fit into the system that Eddy and Nate are fighting, I guess I can understand why Bender is getting more time...

what r u talking about?

hasn't even installed any post sets for Curry.

Nate's biggest crime here is giving 's pet Dudee 1 more reason to keep looking over his shoulder.

People here blasted Wilkins for the job he did and he had to start Steph Crawford (1 of the most cancerous backcourts of any ear) along with Tim Thomas and Nazr (which total equaled 4 of the lowest IQ players at their position ever) and still had that team at .500 when he got fired. However gets a pass for some of the most unwatchable basketball ever in NY over the last season and a quarter.

If were black he would've been pig roasted by the media and the fans.

Now hold on.....playing the race card is bull**** so don't even go there with me.

Nate has had 2 years to fit in. This is not an overnight thing with him. Pringles had the EXACT same complaints with him last season.

Curry couldn't keep his fat ass under 400 pounds, for a year and a half. He plays and when he does well he disrupts the entire flow of the team. Then he gets hurt again. And now he is gonna complain?!? Maybe he should go away for 3 years, join Jenny Craig then pull a Bender. Then maybe he would have more of a right to complain about playing time. Hell, for all we know Bender was taking Curry's lunch money(must be ALOT easier than it sounds) in practice and that is how he got his time over Curry. Sorry if I am not ready to cry for Curry but this entire organization has supported him through the ****storm that his life is turning into, hid his blubber so the press wouldn't have a field day with him, never considered trying to void his contract when he couldn't last 15 minutes in practice and was popping excercise balls. Hell, Bender was out 3 years and came into his first practice in better shape than Curry has been since his last contract year.

Curry has bought this on himself and this complaining about playing time and the whole "Play me or buy me out but ain't no way I am opting out" stance was the line for me. I never want to see him play another second in a Knick uniform again.

All Nate needs to do is act like a grown ass man. That's it. Act like a professional. Don't pose while play is going on. Don't shoot ball at the other team's basket. Shut up every now and then. Don't laugh on the bench while your team is getting blown out by 30. Don't Twitter WHILE getting a ticket. Don't flex after you block a shot that came off your turnover while getting blown out by 20 with play still going on. If Nate can't learn to do simple things like that, **** him too.

McK1 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

McK1 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:Other than the fact that Nate and Eddy had many, many, many, many, many, many, many chances to get on board with the team and they never did and Bender just got here is playing ok considering his 3 years off, and is willing to fit into the system that Eddy and Nate are fighting, I guess I can understand why Bender is getting more time...

what r u talking about?

hasn't even installed any post sets for Curry.

Nate's biggest crime here is giving 's pet Dudee 1 more reason to keep looking over his shoulder.

People here blasted Wilkins for the job he did and he had to start Steph Crawford (1 of the most cancerous backcourts of any ear) along with Tim Thomas and Nazr (which total equaled 4 of the lowest IQ players at their position ever) and still had that team at .500 when he got fired. However gets a pass for some of the most unwatchable basketball ever in NY over the last season and a quarter.

If were black he would've been pig roasted by the media and the fans.

Now hold on.....playing the race card is bull**** so don't even go there with me.

Nate has had 2 years to fit in. This is not an overnight thing with him. Pringles had the EXACT same complaints with him last season.

Curry couldn't keep his fat ass under 400 pounds, for a year and a half. He plays and when he does well he disrupts the entire flow of the team. Then he gets hurt again. And now he is gonna complain?!? Maybe he should go away for 3 years, join Jenny Craig then pull a Bender. Then maybe he would have more of a right to complain about playing time. Hell, for all we know Bender was taking Curry's lunch money(must be ALOT easier than it sounds) in practice and that is how he got his time over Curry. Sorry if I am not ready to cry for Curry but this entire organization has supported him through the ****storm that his life is turning into, hid his blubber so the press wouldn't have a field day with him, never considered trying to void his contract when he couldn't last 15 minutes in practice and was popping excercise balls. Hell, Bender was out 3 years and came into his first practice in better shape than Curry has been since his last contract year.

Curry has bought this on himself and this complaining about playing time and the whole "Play me or buy me out but ain't no way I am opting out" stance was the line for me. I never want to see him play another second in a Knick uniform again.

All Nate needs to do is act like a grown ass man. That's it. Act like a professional. Don't pose while play is going on. Don't shoot ball at the other team's basket. Shut up every now and then. Don't laugh on the bench while your team is getting blown out by 30. Don't Twitter WHILE getting a ticket. Don't flex after you block a shot that came off your turnover while getting blown out by 20 with play still going on. If Nate can't learn to do simple things like that, **** him too.

you made the statement Eddy and Nate are fighting the system:

by his own admission, has not done anything to integrate curry into the offense. BUT OH NOT DOING HIS JOB DOESN'T MATER B/C CURRY IS ON THE FAN HATE LIST.

Nate did some immature things in warm ups and after the shot clock. hOWEVER Al can take as many bad shots as he wants, Duhon can take as many ill-advised 3's as he wants but we lose because of Nate?

BULLSHIT

Pringles has the team winning. They are winning. Winning. He IS doing his job. He is winning at a better pace than this team has won in years. his job is not to do what is best for Curry or Nate or anyone else. His job is to coach this team to wins and he has subtracted two players from his rotation who he felt didn't help him achieve that endgame.

As for Harrington's bad shots or Duhon's ill advised 3's. First we are WINNING with these players and their faults. We were not winning with Nate's immaturity and Curry's....well...whatever Curry is supposed to bring. Harrington and Duhon are also professionals. They show the right attitude in games. They aren't pulling bull**** that us handing the other team points or making their team play 4 on 5 like Nate did with his "look at me" antics. They are in shape and playing within a system not retarding the system.

misterearl wrote:"he's a small forward who is awkwardly too tall for his own game"

Briggs - I'm having a difficult time following your reasoning on this. This Jonathan Bender episode is not about his career with the pacers. It is about Walsh picking up an experienced player that he monitored since he started his comeback regimen. That predates this Summer when Bender was offered the opportunity of training camp. Walsh has years of familiarity with and D'Antoni now has the option to play him at 28 years old. Provided his legs hold up, evidently it is not a question of his skill set.

Forget about assuming levels of ego. They ALL have massive egos. That is one of the traits I have found to be a constant among pro athletes, coaches and executives.

Bender is here because he is a seven footer who knows how to play basketball.

Do you still insist that Bender owns an inferior basketball skill compared to Eddy Curry?

Let's Take A Look

Intelligence - (understanding where he is on the floor)

Intuitive ability - (non-measurables, deflections, set picks)

Interview skills -

Outside shot -

Dribbling skills -

Interior offense -

Rebounding skills -

Defensive skills -

Lateral speed -

Forward speed -

Backpedal -

Intangibles - (leadership, maturity, attitude, restaurant recommendations)

you do the math

NOW This is total BULLSHIT, the guy hasn't played for 3 years after a devastating injury. When Big Al was traded here he had to be acclimated to the system why is Bender any different? This little pet project is an insult to every other Knick player who came to training camp and practiced the entire season only to see Johnny Come lately show up and get minutes when they are getting none. Earl you can continue to spout the grass is green and everything's flowery BULLSHIT but I aint buying.

McK1 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

Pringles has the team winning. They are winning. Winning. He IS doing his job. He is winning at a better pace than this team has won in years. his job is not to do what is best for Curry or Nate or anyone else. His job is to coach this team to wins and he has subtracted two players from his rotation who he felt didn't help him achieve that endgame.

As for Harrington's bad shots or Duhon's ill advised 3's. First we are WINNING with these players and their faults. We were not winning with Nate's immaturity and Curry's....well...whatever Curry is supposed to bring. Harrington and Duhon are also professionals. They show the right attitude in games. They aren't pulling bull**** that us handing the other team points or making their team play 4 on 5 like Nate did with his "look at me" antics. They are in shape and playing within a system not retarding the system.

the Knicks are 11-19. how the hell is he winning at a better pace than this team has in years?

how can people even try to have a conversation with you when you make such dumb comments. Obviously the whole season for the Knicks has been below average at best, but how can you deny or even think about bringing up the fact the Knicks are a steady 8-7 over the last 15.

To even compare the first 12 game to the last 15 or so is borderline ridiculous. Part of it was players - practically the whole starting lineup was shooting 20% - and part of it was rotations and mixing players and then the whole slow-down of the offense.

And you want to re-insert a Nate. Or try to work in Curry. Did you WATCH Curry play when he was on the court in the 3 or so games? Knicks are like -50 in his 30 cumulative minutes on the court.

You tell us what Nate and Curry have done to earn that spot and to take away minutes from the guys who have contributed to better play?

The Knicks are trying to win and create a winning culture, not cater to guys who feel they just show up and earn it.

McK1 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

Pringles has the team winning. They are winning. Winning. He IS doing his job. He is winning at a better pace than this team has won in years. his job is not to do what is best for Curry or Nate or anyone else. His job is to coach this team to wins and he has subtracted two players from his rotation who he felt didn't help him achieve that endgame.

As for Harrington's bad shots or Duhon's ill advised 3's. First we are WINNING with these players and their faults. We were not winning with Nate's immaturity and Curry's....well...whatever Curry is supposed to bring. Harrington and Duhon are also professionals. They show the right attitude in games. They aren't pulling bull**** that us handing the other team points or making their team play 4 on 5 like Nate did with his "look at me" antics. They are in shape and playing within a system not retarding the system.

the Knicks are 11-19. how the hell is he winning at a better pace than this team has in years?

Ok. We have to get on the same page here. I was referring to the record since Pringles is playing the guys he wants to. You have to admit the Knicks look totally different since Pringles sat Nate and Curry.

McK1 wrote:

martin wrote:

McK1 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

Pringles has the team winning. They are winning. Winning. He IS doing his job. He is winning at a better pace than this team has won in years. his job is not to do what is best for Curry or Nate or anyone else. His job is to coach this team to wins and he has subtracted two players from his rotation who he felt didn't help him achieve that endgame.

As for Harrington's bad shots or Duhon's ill advised 3's. First we are WINNING with these players and their faults. We were not winning with Nate's immaturity and Curry's....well...whatever Curry is supposed to bring. Harrington and Duhon are also professionals. They show the right attitude in games. They aren't pulling bull**** that us handing the other team points or making their team play 4 on 5 like Nate did with his "look at me" antics. They are in shape and playing within a system not retarding the system.

the Knicks are 11-19. how the hell is he winning at a better pace than this team has in years?

how can people even try to have a conversation with you when you make such dumb comments. Obviously the whole season for the Knicks has been below average at best, but how can you deny or even think about bringing up the fact the Knicks are a steady 8-7 over the last 15.

are you and joec going to seriously stand by the statement the Knicks have not in the last few years had a stretch where they played .500+ ball
My cow just died you can keep your bull.

Last January the Knicks went 9-7-Under Pringles. 2008.

That was the first winning month the Knicks had in a very long time. I provided the link if you care to find a random 15 game stretch that supports your argument go ahead. I did the quick once over and before that winning January, we didn't have a winning month in YEARS, that is including that 6 game winning streak under LB-we went like 6-8 in that month.