tkf wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

tkf wrote:

playa2 wrote:Knicks not remotely interested.

Gallo is a shooter who's is a fan favorite, , Randolph is a superstar in the making.

Anthony Randolph went home to play the hornets tonight and already he had 8 blks in just three qtrs.

Danphoney doesn't like defense oh well, I would make that swap quickly.

Teams like what the gall does and he automatically becomes a community fan favorite in GS like chris Mullin.

NY gets a guy that plays hard every game on offense and defense !

I say..... geter done !

is that from hahn or you? sounds like you.. superstar in the making? please... this guy shows nothing that shows heis a superstar in the making..

anyway, I am with the knicks... I say no to this deal... we have enough dummies on this team.. and Randolph is a dummy!

now, I would take him for a lesser package not involving gallo....mitigate the risk.... but can't give up much for a guy who is lacking upstairs...

Anthony Randolph when playing more than 30 minutes this year

23 points 7 rebounds 3 blocks 3 steals 0 assits
17 points 13 rebounds 2 blocks 3 steals 1 assit
9 points 6 rebounds 1 block 1 steal
28 points 13 rebounds 1 block 1 steal 5 assits
15 points 9 rebounds 1 block 1 steal 5 assits
12 points 8 rebounds 8 blocks 2 steals 2 assits
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17.2 points 9 rebounds 2.7 blocks 2 steals 2.1 assits avg

I notice how you said more than 30 minutes and included the 23 point 7 board game in which he played 30 min. yet you leave out the 9 point 6 rebound game he had.. LOL.. wow briggs...

You must need to borrow my glasses--oh and owned pretty hard there as well:)

BRIGGS wrote:A little more math for you tkf--because I know you kept harping that Gallinari should get more shots

He averaged 13.6 shots or roughly 30% more than his yearly avg in his last 5 games and is shooting 32.3%. The more shots he has been given the lower his FG % drops. I think they need to tell him to move in and get more looks from 12 feet and in. If he fails to do this + stays deep he could breach 40% FG% for the year

5 games... LOL.. great sample size.. see me after 20 games..... but I will play along..

it is funny how you try to manipulate numbers to fit your lopsided arguments, in games where gallo shot the ball 14 times or more..

6-14
5-14
6-17
10-19
9-22
7-14
______

43/100= 43%

it is the games where he shot 2-10, 3-9,2-7,2-8, and recently his 2-13 outing that has hurt his average..

Again briggs.. you fail! in his last 5 games, the two games in which his % was the lowest, was guess when? yup when he took 7 shots and 13 shots.. less than your 13.6 shots per game.. so how does that suport what you say.. in the games where he has shot 14 or more. His hightest outputs his average is 43%...

BRIGGS wrote:

tkf wrote:

playa2 wrote:Knicks not remotely interested.

Gallo is a shooter who's is a fan favorite, , Randolph is a superstar in the making.

Anthony Randolph went home to play the hornets tonight and already he had 8 blks in just three qtrs.

Danphoney doesn't like defense oh well, I would make that swap quickly.

Teams like what the gall does and he automatically becomes a community fan favorite in GS like chris Mullin.

NY gets a guy that plays hard every game on offense and defense !

I say..... geter done !

is that from hahn or you? sounds like you.. superstar in the making? please... this guy shows nothing that shows heis a superstar in the making..

anyway, I am with the knicks... I say no to this deal... we have enough dummies on this team.. and Randolph is a dummy!

now, I would take him for a lesser package not involving gallo....mitigate the risk.... but can't give up much for a guy who is lacking upstairs...

Anthony Randolph when playing more than 30 minutes this year

23 points 7 rebounds 3 blocks 3 steals 0 assits
17 points 13 rebounds 2 blocks 3 steals 1 assit
9 points 6 rebounds 1 block 1 steal
28 points 13 rebounds 1 block 1 steal 5 assits
15 points 9 rebounds 1 block 1 steal 5 assits
12 points 8 rebounds 8 blocks 2 steals 2 assits
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17.2 points 9 rebounds 2.7 blocks 2 steals 2.1 assits avg

Selecting games where a player plays more then 30 minutes has a bias. Coaches play you more when you're playing well.

Randolph has a 42% shooting percentage overall and it's the same in his 30+ minute games. He's averaging just under 16 shots per game in those games to get 17.2 pts.

Gallo averages 17.4 pts in games where he plays 30 minutes or more and does it on 12.25 shots.

Both players have a lot of potential. If Randolph has had injury problems - they both have some injury risk. Randolph is a better defender and rebounder. Gallo is a better offensive player. The knock on AR is he's a head case I have no idea if that is justified or not. I think Gallo has a good head on his shoulders and as a fan I like rooting for him so I'd stick with Gallo.

Just look at this way- guy makes 5/10 shots scores 10 pts. Guy makes 4/10 shots (10% worse on FG%), but also scores 10 pts because he made 2 3pt shots. Both guys took 10 shots to make 10 pts so the bottom is the same, yet player no.2 seems a lot worse based on the simplistic stat. But ultimately he was just as efficient.

FG% would make sense if each shot were the same, they are not.

VDesai wrote:Gallo is better than Randolph. Would you guys look at eFG already? Let me put it to you simply, whats more important- the amount of points produced from the shots you take or the percentage of shots you make from the shots you take. The bottom line is pts- which is why eFG is a more accurate statistic and better gauge of efficiency.

Just look at this way- guy makes 5/10 shots scores 10 pts. Guy makes 4/10 shots (10% worse on FG%), but also scores 10 pts because he made 2 3pt shots. Both guys took 10 shots to make 10 pts so the bottom is the same, yet player no.2 seems a lot worse based on the simplistic stat. But ultimately he was just as efficient.

FG% would make sense if each shot were the same, they are not.

I think now that Randolph will be getting 30 minutes + consistently--we can see where they are both at later in the season. Gallo pretty much has played a consistent 30 minutes and is avg 13.9 4.8 1.4 41.9 to this point. I have been impressed with Gallinari's team defense--he certainly is a factor in the teams' resurgence on D with his length and smart play. What I would really like to see Gallo do is take many more mid range shots/post ups and drives and try to use the 3 ball at less than 30% of his plays. Focus on the rebound positioning.

BRIGGS wrote:

VDesai wrote:Gallo is better than Randolph. Would you guys look at eFG already? Let me put it to you simply, whats more important- the amount of points produced from the shots you take or the percentage of shots you make from the shots you take. The bottom line is pts- which is why eFG is a more accurate statistic and better gauge of efficiency.

Just look at this way- guy makes 5/10 shots scores 10 pts. Guy makes 4/10 shots (10% worse on FG%), but also scores 10 pts because he made 2 3pt shots. Both guys took 10 shots to make 10 pts so the bottom is the same, yet player no.2 seems a lot worse based on the simplistic stat. But ultimately he was just as efficient.

FG% would make sense if each shot were the same, they are not.

I think now that Randolph will be getting 30 minutes + consistently--we can see where they are both at later in the season. Gallo pretty much has played a consistent 30 minutes and is avg 13.9 4.8 1.4 41.9 to this point. I have been impressed with Gallinari's team defense--he certainly is a factor in the teams' resurgence on D with his length and smart play. What I would really like to see Gallo do is take many more mid range shots/post ups and drives and try to use the 3 ball at less than 30% of his plays. Focus on the rebound positioning.

Briggs that's just not true. Gallo has averaged 17+ pts in games he played 30 or more minutes. See earlier post.
And EFG does matter - randolph takes almost 4 more shots to avg 17 pts then Gallo des. And he's only getting the the line for one more foul shot.

He's also send the other team to the line a lot. Look at randolphs stats more closely and you'll see he going to have to start fouling less to consistently play more then 30 minutes. In games where he plays under 30 minutes he's averaging 3 fouls in 20 minutes. He's had 4 or more fouls in 40% of the games he played < 30 minutes so it's going to be hard for him to play 30 consistently.

oohah wrote:[quote="BRIGGS

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Here you go again, playa. Gallo is going to be the next Larry Bird. You don't trade Larry Bird.

Larry Bird was already LB when he was 18. Don't compare anyone to Larry Bird. No one is saying trading Gallo but I think there are many really really good players in that 2008 draft. Even when Larry Bird was falling apart at the age of 35 he still had a season Gallo could only dream about.

Thanks for stating that BRIGGS. I hope GoNyGoNyGo was just joking. Bird had skills Gallinari could only dream about, actually that most players could only dream about. No comparison.

oohah

No, I actually think it. I am not joking. First of all, in his rookie year, Bird turned 23 years old. He was also the focal point of that team the day he was drafted. Gallo is a support player at this time.

His rookie stats were:
YEAR TEAM G MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
79-80 BOS 82 36.0 .474 .406 .836 2.60 7.80 10.40 4.5 1.74 .65 3.21 3.40 21.3

YEAR TEAM MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OFF DEF TOT AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
79-80 BOS 2,955 693-1,463 58-143 301-360 216 636 852 370 143 53 263 279 1,745

Bird was obviously an immortal player. We could only hope Gallo will even be an all star. I get it. That being said, I am simply saying that the skills Gallinari has shown remind me most of Bird. He can shoot it, he has a high BBall IQ. Gallo is not afraid to take the big shot. He can handle the ball and is a good passer. I do not have any doubt that given more shots per game and the ball more often, Gallo could average similar stats. He still the rest of this year and all of next before he even reaches Bird's age in his rookie year. Bird made everyone around him better and was a winner. Gallo needs to do that still and improve his rebounding.

Ok,so maybe I should have said the next Dirk Nowitzki...is that better? I have high hopes for Gallinari.

fishmike wrote:forget about the #s. Watch them play. Gallo is far more skilled and has a much higher BB IQ and instincts. AR is an above the rim player. He's skilled but doesnt know when to dribble, shoot or jump (yet). That can be learned.

Gallo is already an elite shooter. AR isnt, and thats not a skill that can be learned. Sometimes guys get better, some guys never do.

Gallo had back concerns, and those concerns will always linger. If the guy sits a game or two with back spasms people are going to moan 'oh boy.. here we go.'

AR does NOT have an NBA body. He's frame is very slight. He's build much more like Prince than Garnett. You look at his shoulders and legs and you know this guy isnt filling out much. He may get a bit stronger as Camby did over the years but he's NOT as wide and doesnt have the bones that KG or Camby has. If you plan on AR being a frontcourt player he's going to average 50-60 games a year.

Gallo has an NBA body. He's not a fluid athlete, but he's quicker than people give him credit for and is very adept at using his body to shield the ball against quicker defenders.

One thing that makes it hard to judge is Gallo is light years ahead of him in maturity. He's played pro ball in a men's league and forces nothing. He's a team first guy.

I would love to have them both, but I'm not trading one for the other.

I would trade Hill, Douglas and Chandler for AR in heartbeat, because I think a Gallo/AR/Lee frontcourt is a group you can really build a special team around. You add a star guard to that group and you got a core to build a title team around. Thats the kind of length/skill that got Det to back to back finals and a title.

great post fish.. I agree with that..... If I am going to take a chance on a guy like randolph who has a lot of questions to me, I am doing it with lesser players... and although chandler is playing well, I don't think he has gallo's ceiling and Hill, I am not sure.. but it may be worth the risk for randolph.. I am just not trading a player like gallo for randolph. that is where I draw the line.. but your post was on the money..

heck, i'd like to have randolph, but for gallo straight up?

right now there is no clear reason this benefits the knicks, while the warriors sound like they like the deal.

and the notion that the warriors didn't want to keep arenas, as an argument that they don't want to keep stars, is not even factually based (even if stated in a joking manner).

the league changed the rules because they couldn't sign arenas to the highest price, while the wiz could. they didn't have his bird rights, and were limited by the cap, as i recall.

OldFan wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

tkf wrote:

playa2 wrote:Knicks not remotely interested.

Gallo is a shooter who's is a fan favorite, , Randolph is a superstar in the making.

Anthony Randolph went home to play the hornets tonight and already he had 8 blks in just three qtrs.

Danphoney doesn't like defense oh well, I would make that swap quickly.

Teams like what the gall does and he automatically becomes a community fan favorite in GS like chris Mullin.

NY gets a guy that plays hard every game on offense and defense !

I say..... geter done !

is that from hahn or you? sounds like you.. superstar in the making? please... this guy shows nothing that shows heis a superstar in the making..

anyway, I am with the knicks... I say no to this deal... we have enough dummies on this team.. and Randolph is a dummy!

now, I would take him for a lesser package not involving gallo....mitigate the risk.... but can't give up much for a guy who is lacking upstairs...

Anthony Randolph when playing more than 30 minutes this year

23 points 7 rebounds 3 blocks 3 steals 0 assits
17 points 13 rebounds 2 blocks 3 steals 1 assit
9 points 6 rebounds 1 block 1 steal
28 points 13 rebounds 1 block 1 steal 5 assits
15 points 9 rebounds 1 block 1 steal 5 assits
12 points 8 rebounds 8 blocks 2 steals 2 assits
-----------------------------------------------------
17.2 points 9 rebounds 2.7 blocks 2 steals 2.1 assits avg

Selecting games where a player plays more then 30 minutes has a bias. Coaches play you more when you're playing well.

Randolph has a 42% shooting percentage overall and it's the same in his 30+ minute games. He's averaging just under 16 shots per game in those games to get 17.2 pts.

Gallo averages 17.4 pts in games where he plays 30 minutes or more and does it on 12.25 shots.

Both players have a lot of potential. If Randolph has had injury problems - they both have some injury risk. Randolph is a better defender and rebounder. Gallo is a better offensive player. The knock on AR is he's a head case I have no idea if that is justified or not. I think Gallo has a good head on his shoulders and as a fan I like rooting for him so I'd stick with Gallo.

OLDFAN, Nellie has been fooling with the kids minutes, on any other team especial the knicks with danphoney his numbers would be all-star like.