fishmike wrote:

King1 wrote:Lebron would have no problem playing with Lee. He doesnt need shots and will do all the dirty work and you can get him at a cheaper price. I would rather have Lee at 10 and a big time shot blocker at 7 million. If Lee get invited to try out I really think there is a good chance Lee will be on the next Olympic team also.

been harping on the same point. The extra $7mm we would save in signing Lee over Bosh could get us a really good player.

I would almost rather have Lee starting at $11M than Bosh at $15M if LeBron is here. But really haven't seen Bosh play much, but he wears that big old brace and that scares me.

Moonangie wrote:

tkf wrote:

TheGame wrote:IMO Toronto has got to realize that their chances of keeping Bosh are 50/50 at best. If Toronto falters over the next month, I approach them about working out a Lee/Hill/Nate for Bosh and a second round pick. Toronto gets a good young power forward to replace Bosh along with a young Bosh-like prospect in Hill. Nate can be their backup PG if they decide to resign him. Who else is going to give Toronto a better deal than that?

With Bosh in the fold already, our chances of signing Lebron improves dramatically. You resign Bosh to max, you sign Lebron to a max deal, and then you let everyone else go except maybe Hughes if you can get him cheap. Next years team is Hughes, Chandler, Lebron, Gallo, and Bosh, with Jeffries, Douglas, Curry and Bender on our bench. I think that team can compete for a championship in its second year after we add one more solid FA with the money from Curry and Jeffries deals expiring.

not a bad deal, but if they are floundering with bosh, why make the deal that sweet. I mean lee, nate and our lottery pick? if we did that, they they would have to give us their 2010 pick, unprotected..

Don't you mean Utah's lottery pick? Because ours is actually theirs.

No, I mean the raps throwing in a pick.. I do think bosh is better than lee, but the gap has closed considerably, and then add that we are throwing in a young, lottery pick big man, I want a first round pick back from the raps....

I just don't know.

I suppose if we land "Just" one max player and we can't do anything else that either Lee or Harrington will get paid with the remaining cap and we will pray that 2011 gives us another star player.

What I would NOT be comfortable with is what I said...if we strike out...why pay Lee 12M per year, Harrington 12M per year...so we can again be a sub-.500 team? I'd rather save the money, get a solid draft pick in 2011, and try again.

I don't want us to be like the Bulls, who lined up massive cap space, only to have every top FA say no, only to see Chicago pay Jalen Rose a max contract because he was willing to take it.

Please let us not do that!

Cosmic wrote:You know, early in the season when he was playing like he was 45 years old, I wanted him gone even going so far as to say just cut him. Recently, like our entire team however, he has been playing very well. The thing is that his numbers command a big payday. However what is his TRUE net on the court? I still maintain that he frequently gives up as much as if not more than he gives us. His lack of defense is a glaring problem and not only will it continue to be one but it will continue to worsen as he ages and slows down. So what are we looking at here? What if we strike out entirely in 2010 should we just go ahead and pay Lee his money and Harrington his money and re-sign Duhon as well......and continue to be a constant 8th seed playoff threat?

I just don't know.

I suppose if we land "Just" one max player and we can't do anything else that either Lee or Harrington will get paid with the remaining cap and we will pray that 2011 gives us another star player.

What I would NOT be comfortable with is what I said...if we strike out...why pay Lee 12M per year, Harrington 12M per year...so we can again be a sub-.500 team? I'd rather save the money, get a solid draft pick in 2011, and try again.

I don't want us to be like the Bulls, who lined up massive cap space, only to have every top FA say no, only to see Chicago pay Jalen Rose a max contract because he was willing to take it.

Please let us not do that!

Amen. We've suffered for a very long time. I don't want to see us pay a 2nd tier player 1st tier money and be mired in medicority again. If we can't land a star at the right price this summer..wait till next summer.

djsunyc wrote:consensus around these parts is that he wasn't a $50 mil player this past summer. is he now?

looks like they just spent $3 mil more/year than they had to if lee is re-signed next summer...

That $3M per year is a wash if the cap space first allows them to sign someone more important.

I have no problems if a player increases his value by proving it over another year and the Knicks are forced to give up the $. It's the downside risk of locking into a James like contract that should be avoided.

There were real concerns with David just 2 years ago: Defense, 15 footer, durability. Dude has picked up the outside shot nicely and is a VERY nice surprise at finishing around the basket. DLee has also demonstrated leadership on defense. Yes, I said it: his weak side aggressiveness is still lacking, but it's David that is talking and calling out what other players should be doing out there. It's a nice change.

We will never win anything significant with Lee as our starting center. And while Lee would be a great PF, Gallo is going to need mins at PF just as Id prefer for Chandler to get majority of his mins at SF rather then SG.

When Kevin Martin comes back from Injury we should work on a Lee, Robinson, Harrington for Martin, Hawes, Rodriguez, Kenny Thomas.

Panos wrote:I love all these assumptions that Hill will be able to step in and produce at D Lee's level.
Yes, he may. But there is no guarantee. Just as there are never any guarantees with rookies.
You don't know anything till they prove it, and J Hill has not proven a damn thing yet.
All you have at this point is hope.

Lee's outstanding double double production has resulted in 30 win seasons. I'd rather pay $3m for 20 wins than $10-12m for 30.

TMS wrote:

Panos wrote:I love all these assumptions that Hill will be able to step in and produce at D Lee's level.
Yes, he may. But there is no guarantee. Just as there are never any guarantees with rookies.
You don't know anything till they prove it, and J Hill has not proven a damn thing yet.
All you have at this point is hope.

i don't think he'll produce at D Lee's level right away, not at all, but i do think he'll be a solid double double player in a year or 2... after that who knows... he impressed me in the games i watched of him in college... he's got a nice skillset, u guys just haven't seen much of it yet cuz he hasn't gotten any run.

anyway, if u make the deal nyny proposed u can still sign Bosh to more than fill D Lee's lost production next season & still have a dynamic 1-2 punch even if u don't get Lebron to come here.

How many double double players are there in this league?

TMS wrote:

Panos wrote:

TMS wrote:

Panos wrote:I love all these assumptions that Hill will be able to step in and produce at D Lee's level.
Yes, he may. But there is no guarantee. Just as there are never any guarantees with rookies.
You don't know anything till they prove it, and J Hill has not proven a damn thing yet.
All you have at this point is hope.

i don't think he'll produce at D Lee's level right away, not at all, but i do think he'll be a solid double double player in a year or 2... after that who knows... he impressed me in the games i watched of him in college... he's got a nice skillset, u guys just haven't seen much of it yet cuz he hasn't gotten any run.

anyway, if u make the deal nyny proposed u can still sign Bosh to more than fill D Lee's lost production next season & still have a dynamic 1-2 punch even if u don't get Lebron to come here.

How many double double players are there in this league?

Brendon Haywood is a double double guy... i think Jordan Hill will be better than him w/o a doubt... i think Jordan Hill will be better than Tyson Chandler, who was also a double double guy in NO.

Well again I *hope* you're right. But until he proves it...

franco12 wrote:

Panos wrote:I love all these assumptions that Hill will be able to step in and produce at D Lee's level.
Yes, he may. But there is no guarantee. Just as there are never any guarantees with rookies.
You don't know anything till they prove it, and J Hill has not proven a damn thing yet.
All you have at this point is hope.

Lee's outstanding double double production has resulted in 30 win seasons. I'd rather pay $3m for 20 wins than $10-12m for 30.

EXACTLY!

I don't care if lee is playing like a $15mill player, 30 wins average means so what.

Sorry guys. I'm still trying to figure out the bosh love.