TMS wrote:i think MDA is handling this like a scorned lover instead of a grown man... if he had a problem with Nate he should have sat him down on a 1 on 1 & had a long talk with him & explained that if he didn't change his ways & play the type of ball MDA wanted then he'd write his own ticket out of NY... i dunno if that ever happened or not but judging from Nate's own comments after the benching, he doesn't even know what he did wrong to warrant this benching to begin with... not trying to say that Nate wasn't acting like a knucklehead, he obviously was, but at that point if MDA deduced that Nate would never change his ways he should have spoken w/Donnie Walsh about it & encouraged him to seek out a trade to unload him... this whole benching thing has gone too far if u ask me... even an ultra-disciplinarian coach like Tom Coughlin wouldn't have benched 1 of his best players like this for this prolonged of a stretch to try & prove some kinda point... & MDA is supposed to be a player's coach?

I totally agree and I think it brings up alot of questions about Mike D other than his lack of coaching defense. He seems to be a players coach when he has polished vets who can play the offense that he likes to run and not rock the boat in any fashion. This is going to be the second player that D'Antoni 'disciplined'. However there appeared to be no communication indicating that this is the end of the relationship with the team for the second time. Nate is not the most mature guy but he is very talented and has repeatedly pledged his allegiance to the team. D'Antoni has done this before and he puts Walsh in a bad position. D'Antoni appears to be a coach who doesn't just need talented players, he needs tremendously talented players who have tremendous character like Nash and G. Hill. If a coach needs that kind of talent and that kind of character to win are they really a good coach or are they just in charge of a tremendously professional team?

Papabear wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Papabear wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:you don't think he did that, tms? i'm willing to bet he tried talking to him, tried tons of stuff. mda IS the players coach, which is why nate had about 1000000000 chances and mda threw praise on him and always seemed trying to encourage him to turn the corner. but he never did. the benching was his last option i think.

Papabear Says

Yes he is a players coach. You mean a free for all. Shoot the ball in 7 seconds! hoist up 50 3s in every game. Yes that's a players coach.

may be a players coach but Nate is dumb as a drum.
Player can improve on his game and skills but if he is dumb this is forever.

Papabear Says

Well let's wait and see what the future holds for Nate. For a Kids 5ft 9 to compeat in the land of giants and have some success and to have young kids love him, I think thats positive. Nate sat on that bench and rooted for his team on every play now that showed class. A dumb person would have made a scene but Nate kept his cool. That's not being dumb.
I'll say this! letting a team hoist up 50 3s a game, shooting the ball in 7 seconds, playing no defense, not putting a good shooter on the floor when they can't buy a bucket because the coach have a bug up his butt and would rather loose the game than bring Nate in!! Now that's dumb as a drum!!

i agree with you that d'antoni trying his ssol offense with this crew and coaching them to hoist 50 3's a game is beyond idiocy. but for the most part he's gotten them to chill on that in recent games. they've tightened the O, played D and won. but as far as nate goes, again i think he'd burn any nba coach out. one, two seasons of his crap would have been plenty. but to keep it up this long? i'd maintain there's no way any of us can fully fathom what it has to be like to be coaching an nba team and have one guy consistently act out during games like he does. all his good intentions and exuberance aside. papabear, i would defy you to tolerate that beyond a certain point without having had enough.

Marv wrote:

Papabear wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Papabear wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:you don't think he did that, tms? i'm willing to bet he tried talking to him, tried tons of stuff. mda IS the players coach, which is why nate had about 1000000000 chances and mda threw praise on him and always seemed trying to encourage him to turn the corner. but he never did. the benching was his last option i think.

Papabear Says

Yes he is a players coach. You mean a free for all. Shoot the ball in 7 seconds! hoist up 50 3s in every game. Yes that's a players coach.

may be a players coach but Nate is dumb as a drum.
Player can improve on his game and skills but if he is dumb this is forever.

Papabear Says

Well let's wait and see what the future holds for Nate. For a Kids 5ft 9 to compeat in the land of giants and have some success and to have young kids love him, I think thats positive. Nate sat on that bench and rooted for his team on every play now that showed class. A dumb person would have made a scene but Nate kept his cool. That's not being dumb.
I'll say this! letting a team hoist up 50 3s a game, shooting the ball in 7 seconds, playing no defense, not putting a good shooter on the floor when they can't buy a bucket because the coach have a bug up his butt and would rather loose the game than bring Nate in!! Now that's dumb as a drum!!

i agree with you that d'antoni trying his ssol offense with this crew and coaching them to hoist 50 3's a game is beyond idiocy. but for the most part he's gotten them to chill on that in recent games. they've tightened the O, played D and won. but as far as nate goes, again i think he'd burn any nba coach out. one, two seasons of his crap would have been plenty. but to keep it up this long? i'd maintain there's no way any of us can fully fathom what it has to be like to be coaching an nba team and have one guy consistently act out during games like he does. all his good intentions and exuberance aside. papabear, i would defy you to tolerate that beyond a certain point without having had enough.

Papabear Says

None of us really know what the real deal is here. They knew when they drafted Nate that he was not a true point guard. Yes I saw the Knicks tighten up on defense and play carefull offense but then the next game business is same as usuall. Why don't Mike D bench the starting line-up. They don't seem to get the message. I think that Mike D handled the Nate thing all wrong and it will cost us getting nothing in return. I have a problem with that.

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AbrahamLincoln wrote:Good Riddance out of control gimmick midget with Napoleon complex.

Papabear Says

Man you don't get it!!! We could have gotten something back. But you really don't care! You just want him gone. A player who is better than 90% of the players on the team. This is a poor business judgement. It reminds me of Patrick Ewing. You just wanted him gone.

If you think a trade of Nate Robinson (who has little to no value and had no value this summer when he was a FA and nobody decided to even offer him a contract) for literally anything will have the same impact on this franchise as the Patrick Ewing trade then it is obvious that YOU don't get it. Your love for this player is blinding you. He's not that good. It's just...that's it. He isn't as good as you think he is. No, he isn't better than 90% of the players. And even if he was, that doesn't say much. It's not poor anything. He was benched for his antics and now has demanded a trade. Maybe if he ever matured he would realize that he would play if he stopped acting like a moron every game. It's too bad that some guys never grow up.

Papabear wrote:

AbrahamLincoln wrote:

Papabear wrote:

AbrahamLincoln wrote:Good Riddance out of control gimmick midget with Napoleon complex.

Papabear Says

Man you don't get it!!! We could have gotten something back. But you really don't care! You just want him gone. A player who is better than 90% of the players on the team. This is a poor business judgement. It reminds me of Patrick Ewing. You just wanted him gone.

If you think a trade of Nate Robinson (who has little to no value and had no value this summer when he was a FA and nobody decided to even offer him a contract) for literally anything will have the same impact on this franchise as the Patrick Ewing trade then it is obvious that YOU don't get it. Your love for this player is blinding you. He's not that good. It's just...that's it. He isn't as good as you think he is. No, he isn't better than 90% of the players. And even if he was, that doesn't say much. It's not poor anything. He was benched for his antics and now has demanded a trade. Maybe if he ever matured he would realize that he would play if he stopped acting like a moron every game. It's too bad that some guys never grow up.

Papabear Says

Time Will tell for Nate. He will get picked up by a team and he will grow. I'm glad he is getting out because this is about the worst coached Knicks team that I ever saw. I wonder if we will win 23 games

No, that title belongs to your boy Isiah Lord Thomas.

Marv wrote:but as far as nate goes, again i think he'd burn any nba coach out. one, two seasons of his crap would have been plenty. but to keep it up this long? i'd maintain there's no way any of us can fully fathom what it has to be like to be coaching an nba team and have one guy consistently act out during games like he does. all his good intentions and exuberance aside.

the problem i have isn't that MDA finally had enough of Nate, but how he handled the situation... he should have talked it over w/Donnie & figured out a plan of action to unload Nate somehow & get back some useful asset... to banish him to the bench & basically force Nate to demand a trade is pretty much biting off your nose to spite your face, isn't it? what good does it serve our chances of trading him by benching him like that is my question... i just don't see any positives there.

AbrahamLincoln wrote:

Papabear wrote:

AbrahamLincoln wrote:

Papabear wrote:

AbrahamLincoln wrote:Good Riddance out of control gimmick midget with Napoleon complex.

Papabear Says

Man you don't get it!!! We could have gotten something back. But you really don't care! You just want him gone. A player who is better than 90% of the players on the team. This is a poor business judgement. It reminds me of Patrick Ewing. You just wanted him gone.

If you think a trade of Nate Robinson (who has little to no value and had no value this summer when he was a FA and nobody decided to even offer him a contract) for literally anything will have the same impact on this franchise as the Patrick Ewing trade then it is obvious that YOU don't get it. Your love for this player is blinding you. He's not that good. It's just...that's it. He isn't as good as you think he is. No, he isn't better than 90% of the players. And even if he was, that doesn't say much. It's not poor anything. He was benched for his antics and now has demanded a trade. Maybe if he ever matured he would realize that he would play if he stopped acting like a moron every game. It's too bad that some guys never grow up.

Papabear Says

Time Will tell for Nate. He will get picked up by a team and he will grow. I'm glad he is getting out because this is about the worst coached Knicks team that I ever saw. I wonder if we will win 23 games

No, that title belongs to your boy Isiah Lord Thomas.

Papabear Says

Are you saying that Isiah Thomas was a bad point guard?? The last time I looked he was one of the all time greats. So what are you trying to say??? I know he was a bad GM but the Knicks was screwed up before Isiah got here. This ain't about Isaih it's about Mike D and his judgement. The last time I checked Isaih Thomas has 2 championship rings and Mike D has none. And we haven't won one in over 35 years. OOh OOh it's Nates fault. or Isiah's fault.

Marv wrote:

TMS wrote:

Marv wrote:but as far as nate goes, again i think he'd burn any nba coach out. one, two seasons of his crap would have been plenty. but to keep it up this long? i'd maintain there's no way any of us can fully fathom what it has to be like to be coaching an nba team and have one guy consistently act out during games like he does. all his good intentions and exuberance aside.

the problem i have isn't that MDA finally had enough of Nate, but how he handled the situation... he should have talked it over w/Donnie & figured out a plan of action to unload Nate somehow & get back some useful asset... to banish him to the bench & basically force Nate to demand a trade is pretty much biting off your nose to spite your face, isn't it? what good does it serve our chances of trading him by benching him like that is my question... i just don't see any positives there.

no one in the league wants him. that was proven out last offseason.

ben gordon got no offers as a RFA either soon as he became unrestricted he became a Piston.