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Too bad we didnt get Bayless when we had a chance
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12/18/2009  1:21 PM
knicks1248 wrote:Just trade hill and our two 2nd rounders.

Trade a lotto big who you really don't know much about for a second year player who is just starting to see some action?

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12/18/2009  1:37 PM
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knicks1248 wrote:Just trade hill and our two 2nd rounders.

Trade a lotto big who you really don't know much about for a second year player who is just starting to see some action?

nice slant. bayless was a lottery guard.

hope Walsh at least called and offered hill for him

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12/18/2009  1:48 PM
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12/18/2009  2:01 PM
Bayless is a dime a dozen type of guard. Unless he somehow develops some Steve Nash - Jason Kidd type of passing and defensive ability.

He may become a good player but he isn't some once in a lifetime talent. Id rather develop Hill, a guy with good physical attributes as a PF/C who also has the skills to shoot the ball then a combo guard with similar talent level. Espeically when we have a solid one ourselves that we should be developing.

Id rather have Hill and Douglas then Bayless and Douglas.

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12/18/2009  3:13 PM
true but, (and I hate defending the jerk) coach gave him every chance to prove himself worth a roster spot but, the guy showed nothing. Can't put this on the Knicks staff

The situation kind of reminds me of Udoka. We had him for a summerleague and preseason but, the guy really looked like crap with legs.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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12/18/2009  3:41 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:Bayless is a dime a dozen type of guard. Unless he somehow develops some Steve Nash - Jason Kidd type of passing and defensive ability.

He may become a good player but he isn't some once in a lifetime talent. Id rather develop Hill, a guy with good physical attributes as a PF/C who also has the skills to shoot the ball then a combo guard with similar talent level. Espeically when we have a solid one ourselves that we should be developing.

Id rather have Hill and Douglas then Bayless and Douglas.

what has hill shown to make him untradeable for a guard with bayless' ability to score?
tony doglas may be a great athlete in combines but in games he is nowhere near as explosive going to th rim as Bayless

Bayless has taken 22 free throws (10 and 12) in the last 2 games playing 29 and 27 minutes. duhon has taken 22 free throws over his last 13 games getting 40 minutes a night.

This is a no brainer for NY. Gallo + Bayless + playmaker + >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the present prospects + playmaker

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12/18/2009  3:46 PM
McK1 wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Just trade hill and our two 2nd rounders.

Trade a lotto big who you really don't know much about for a second year player who is just starting to see some action?

nice slant. bayless was a lottery guard.

hope Walsh at least called and offered hill for him

Well, you got a nice slant too
Lotto big for lotto guard, that is a dangerous trade. I'm not saying you don't do it if you do your homework but as others said, you can find good guards, there are A LOT more of them than bigs. We should really see what Hill has before we trade him.

Case in point, we have a very very good and capable SG (maybe pg to a point) in Douglas, but he gets essentially no playing time. Don't for a second think that Hill is not a decent player due to his lack of playing time. Hill looked pretty good out there with his limited minutes but the coach has openly stated he is loyal to players in contract years.

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12/18/2009  4:45 PM
I think there are alot of guys from the 08 draft that you oould start too bad we didn't get threads about.
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12/19/2009  1:08 PM

NBA PM: Bayless Takes Stage

By: Jason Fleming Last Updated: 12/18/09 4:30 PM ET | 2035 times read

Adjust font size:vIn this edition of the NBA At 2: Jerryd Bayless may be Portland's answer at point guard…Brandon Jennings fined for tweeting…Shaq earns Community Assist…HOOPSWORLD chats.

Has Portland Found a Point Guard? All season long the Portland Trail Blazers have been a major topic of discussion because of their dilemma at the point guard position. Do they start Andre Miller, the player they deemed worthy of a three-year, $21 million contract in the offseason and should make them better if given the chance? Or do they stick with Steve Blake, the $4 million expiring contract who has the support of All-Star Brandon Roy?

As it turns out, perhaps we've been asking the wrong question all season long. Perhaps the correct answer was "neither." Instead, perhaps it's really sophomore Jerryd Bayless who is the best fit for this team alongside Roy.

With the team decimated with injuries but with three healthy point guards (roughly one-third of the healthy roster), Bayless has been getting more and more minutes of late. Initially it was behind Roy at shooting guard with Rudy Fernandez out because of back surgery, but in the past couple games he has spent more time in the backcourt with Roy.

It works well. Bayless is a point guard with scoring tendencies and Roy is a shooting guard with excellent court vision, so the two complement each other very well. Plus, it doesn't hurt that Bayless can simply take a game over, as he did last night in Portland's comeback 105-102 victory over the Phoenix Suns.

During the game as Bayless poured in 16 fourth-quarter points (of a career-high 29 total) the joy on his face at getting this shot – and the fact the coaching staff continued to trust him to produce and run the team in the last stanza of a tight game – was obvious. During timeouts he was smiling, excited, and exuberant. He told Joe Freeman of the Oregonian exactly how he felt.

"It felt great, I can't even lie," Bayless said. "The last year and a half has been tough for me. Coach is giving me an opportunity now and I'm trying to make the best of it so I don't have to go through that again."

Bayless has a bit of an edge to his game, a bit of a chip on his shoulder, and he's tough. Perhaps that's actually what this team needs. Instead of the shooting of Blake or the calm veteran leadership of Miller, perhaps the in your face drives, the palpable emotion, and deft passing is what will take this team to the next level.

Through it all that game had a feeling of Bayless finally getting a shot to really show what he can do, and that he can do it in pressure situations; sort of an I-told-you-so to everyone, but as polite as can be.

His energy also seemed to spread to his teammates. Roy looked better. LaMarcus Aldridge was running the floor, catching alley-oops. Martell Webster – a player who plays off the energy of teammates more than most – was jumping higher on rebounds. In short, Bayless was the missing piece, at least for one night.

This is the player Portland acquired when they traded Jarrett Jack during the 2008 NBA Draft: the slasher, the passer, the scorer, the shooter. This is what they have been waiting for.

In the end if Bayless grabs that starting job and makes either Blake or Miller expendable, that's the best possible outcome for Portland.

Who thought that could have been said about Bayless when the season started?

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12/19/2009  1:35 PM
Well, just like our team (with rookies though), it seems the only time Bayless gets to play is if the coach is forced due to injuries. Hill showed something but still needs help. Douglas on the other hand has been an ANIMAL on defense, totally disrupting things. I hope we see him getting more minutes and also I hope his P&R know-how improves.
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12/20/2009  1:19 AM
So nobody has any comments about his 3/13 followup game with 2 TO and 1 A in 30 minutes?

Just wondering.

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12/20/2009  3:11 AM
Paladin55 wrote:So nobody has any comments about his 3/13 followup game with 2 TO and 1 A in 30 minutes?

Just wondering.

Just noticed the box score. 1 assist in 30 minutes, is that even possible from the pg position?
Douglas isn't so bad...

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12/20/2009  8:10 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:So nobody has any comments about his 3/13 followup game with 2 TO and 1 A in 30 minutes?

Just wondering.

Just noticed the box score. 1 assist in 30 minutes, is that even possible from the pg position?
Douglas isn't so bad...


Well actually he is, at least as far as assists go. Douglass is AVERAGING 1.6 assists per 30 minutes. At that rate if he averaged 30 minutes a game he'd have even more 1 assist games like this then Bayless.

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12/20/2009  8:28 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/20/2009  8:31 AM
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earthmansurfer wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:So nobody has any comments about his 3/13 followup game with 2 TO and 1 A in 30 minutes?

Just wondering.

Just noticed the box score. 1 assist in 30 minutes, is that even possible from the pg position?
Douglas isn't so bad...


Well actually he is, at least as far as assists go. Douglass is AVERAGING 1.6 assists per 30 minutes. At that rate if he averaged 30 minutes a game he'd have even more 1 assist games like this then Bayless.

Point taken but in fairness we need to give Douglas 30 minutes in a game to make a fair comparison. Statistics leave out a lot. Being given spot minutes here and there for Douglas, who is learning the pg position (again), is tough to get into any kind of rhythm.

My point was that with all the Bayless hype he had 1 assist in 30 minutes. Give Douglas the same chance before using stats which leave out so much. I guess this is a bit like Jennings; Came out shooting like gang buster but when teams focused on him he is a 35% shooter, though his assists went up. I expect a bit of the same with Bayless who is also a super quick pg, but with a better shot albeit less vision than Jennings.

edit - Forget to mention that Douglas was often playing G and not PG as well, so his stats are a bit combined.

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12/20/2009  10:59 AM
Paladin55 wrote:So nobody has any comments about his 3/13 followup game with 2 TO and 1 A in 30 minutes?

Just wondering.

I think anyone who watched the game saw the light the other night. How many games has Gallinari shot 34%? I mean for all of the hoopla Gallo is avg 13.8 and barely 43% shooting in 30 minutes. Should we consider Gallo very inconsistent?--I mean he is older than Bayless and Randolph with much more experience and PT

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12/20/2009  11:14 AM
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Paladin55 wrote:So nobody has any comments about his 3/13 followup game with 2 TO and 1 A in 30 minutes?

Just wondering.

I think anyone who watched the game saw the light the other night. How many games has Gallinari shot 34%? I mean for all of the hoopla Gallo is avg 13.8 and barely 43% shooting in 30 minutes. Should we consider Gallo very inconsistent?--I mean he is older than Bayless and Randolph with much more experience and PT

You really can simplify an argument. Don't compare a 6'11" guy coming off an injury to a guy who isn't and plays pg. Gallo is a league leader in 3pt FG%, you don't have to go there. Compare Bayless to Douglas, that is a fair comparison, at least by position.

I like Bayless, but you know if you start threads about other players we are going to watch them. Just like with Jennings (who I really like - pts down and assists up, boy could we use him).

I hope Bayless does well, but would choose Gallo over him. Now, the problem I have is picking Hill over Jennings, but it's not the end of the world.

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12/20/2009  11:18 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:So nobody has any comments about his 3/13 followup game with 2 TO and 1 A in 30 minutes?

Just wondering.

I think anyone who watched the game saw the light the other night. How many games has Gallinari shot 34%? I mean for all of the hoopla Gallo is avg 13.8 and barely 43% shooting in 30 minutes. Should we consider Gallo very inconsistent?--I mean he is older than Bayless and Randolph with much more experience and PT

6 times this year he's been 34% or below. But 60% of his shots are 3's so it's not a fair comparison. Gallo's effective shooting percentage is .568. Bayless is a respectable .510 but that's well below Gallo.

I'm not saying we should not or should not have gone after Bayless but throwing out Gallo's shooting percentage of 43% without analyzing the composition of the shots is misleading.

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OldFan wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:So nobody has any comments about his 3/13 followup game with 2 TO and 1 A in 30 minutes?

Just wondering.

I think anyone who watched the game saw the light the other night. How many games has Gallinari shot 34%? I mean for all of the hoopla Gallo is avg 13.8 and barely 43% shooting in 30 minutes. Should we consider Gallo very inconsistent?--I mean he is older than Bayless and Randolph with much more experience and PT

6 times this year he's been 34% or below. But 60% of his shots are 3's so it's not a fair comparison. Gallo's effective shooting percentage is .568. Bayless is a respectable .510 but that's well below Gallo.

I'm not saying we should not or should not have gone after Bayless but throwing out Gallo's shooting percentage of 43% without analyzing the composition of the shots is misleading.

you can use efg to a point but you're not calculating opposing scoring opportunities off of the misses for the other team. Yes 2/5 is 50% efg but how many points did the opposing team score off of the 3 misses? Its not calculated in--a misleading stat.

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12/20/2009  11:56 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
OldFan wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:So nobody has any comments about his 3/13 followup game with 2 TO and 1 A in 30 minutes?

Just wondering.

I think anyone who watched the game saw the light the other night. How many games has Gallinari shot 34%? I mean for all of the hoopla Gallo is avg 13.8 and barely 43% shooting in 30 minutes. Should we consider Gallo very inconsistent?--I mean he is older than Bayless and Randolph with much more experience and PT

6 times this year he's been 34% or below. But 60% of his shots are 3's so it's not a fair comparison. Gallo's effective shooting percentage is .568. Bayless is a respectable .510 but that's well below Gallo.

I'm not saying we should not or should not have gone after Bayless but throwing out Gallo's shooting percentage of 43% without analyzing the composition of the shots is misleading.

you can use efg to a point but you're not calculating opposing scoring opportunities off of the misses for the other team. Yes 2/5 is 50% efg but how many points did the opposing team score off of the 3 misses? Its not calculated in--a misleading stat.

No stat covers everything. But I'm going to venture to say that ignoring 3 pt shooting altogether is far more misleading then not factoring in long rebounds. I don't think you'll find many coaches who wouldn't want a 43% three pt shooter even if the misses lead to long rebounds. Do you really think it's fairer to compare two pt shooting percentage to three pt shooting percentage with NO adjustment?

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12/20/2009  2:16 PM
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:it's hard to know if a player can actually produce consistently..until he's given minutes.

i do think the blazers are stockpiled with young (and in many cases cheap) talent. Outside of their core guys Outlaw, Webster, Bayless can play. Dunno about Batum.

I would try to pick up Batum on the cheap if I could. Good size- can probably play at the 2 or 3.

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Too bad we didnt get Bayless when we had a chance

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