Bippity10 wrote:Jeffries is an intangibles guy. He's been this guy since he got into the league. The things he does really stand out on good teams. On bad teams often times they don't make a difference and he looks like a worse player then he is. If it wasn't for the high salary he would be in huge demand around the league because he really is a solid player.

disagree w/u, which is rare... on a good team they'd have players already slotted into the minutes he's seeing here... IMO he'd be an 8th guy bit role player in the rotation playing ~10-12 mpg tops during regular season games on a championship contender & really wouldn't have a chance to impact games all that much even if he wanted to, & u can forget about him seeing much action during a playoff game that far down in the depth chart unless there was some kinda injury to a guy in front of him.

ur right about 1 thing tho, if it weren't for his salary he'd be in demand, but only if he were signed to a LLE type contract... this guy is Steven Hunter type talent at best & that's being generous

TMS wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:Jeffries is an intangibles guy. He's been this guy since he got into the league. The things he does really stand out on good teams. On bad teams often times they don't make a difference and he looks like a worse player then he is. If it wasn't for the high salary he would be in huge demand around the league because he really is a solid player.

disagree w/u, which is rare... on a good team they'd have players already slotted into the minutes he's seeing here... IMO he'd be an 8th guy bit role player in the rotation playing ~10-12 mpg tops during regular season games on a championship contender & really wouldn't have a chance to impact games all that much even if he wanted to, & u can forget about him seeing much action during a playoff game that far down in the depth chart unless there was some kinda injury to a guy in front of him.

ur right about 1 thing tho, if it weren't for his salary he'd be in demand, but only if he were signed to a LLE type contract... this guy is Steven Hunter type talent at best & that's being generous

Playoff averages
2004–05 Washington 10 10 24.7 .490 .500 .765 4.1 1.8 .9 .9 6.4
2005–06 Washington 6 6 35.8 .395 .143 .765 6.2 1.5 .2 1.2 8.0
Career 16 16 28.9 .446 .308 .765 4.9 1.7 .6 1.0 7.0

I'm not saying he would be getting 36 minutes a game like he did in 05-06 but he would be in the rotation for most. Maybe not the elite, but that's why they are elite. But for the rest, he would be a valuable player. I would have on problem using Jeffries as my 4th big man/defensive big man in a playoff game. I personally think he's better then we give him credit for. But that's why I'm smart and you are an idiot

Give me Jeffries and Sweetney and let me go to war.

Bippity10 wrote:

TMS wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:Jeffries is an intangibles guy. He's been this guy since he got into the league. The things he does really stand out on good teams. On bad teams often times they don't make a difference and he looks like a worse player then he is. If it wasn't for the high salary he would be in huge demand around the league because he really is a solid player.

disagree w/u, which is rare... on a good team they'd have players already slotted into the minutes he's seeing here... IMO he'd be an 8th guy bit role player in the rotation playing ~10-12 mpg tops during regular season games on a championship contender & really wouldn't have a chance to impact games all that much even if he wanted to, & u can forget about him seeing much action during a playoff game that far down in the depth chart unless there was some kinda injury to a guy in front of him.

ur right about 1 thing tho, if it weren't for his salary he'd be in demand, but only if he were signed to a LLE type contract... this guy is Steven Hunter type talent at best & that's being generous

Playoff averages
2004–05 Washington 10 10 24.7 .490 .500 .765 4.1 1.8 .9 .9 6.4
2005–06 Washington 6 6 35.8 .395 .143 .765 6.2 1.5 .2 1.2 8.0
Career 16 16 28.9 .446 .308 .765 4.9 1.7 .6 1.0 7.0

I'm not saying he would be getting 36 minutes a game like he did in 05-06 but he would be in the rotation for most. Maybe not the elite, but that's why they are elite. But for the rest, he would be a valuable player. I would have on problem using Jeffries as my 4th big man/defensive big man in a playoff game. I personally think he's better then we give him credit for. But that's why I'm smart and you are an idiot

Give me Jeffries and Sweetney and let me go to war.

hey, if i bring up Big Turd's playoff numbers maybe we can field a championship frontcourt between the 3 of them... make it happen big guy.

When the Isiah signed him he probably thought he already had a title caliber PG/C combo (Marbury/Curry for those scoring at home) and just needed these kinds of role players to build a contender. Its really not JJs fault that Marbury and Curry were total garbage, and JJ was going to be the only one lifting his arms up on defense.

Glad JJ is playing better. I would certainly trade him in a heartbeat though because I really want to keep Lee and I think we need to do one to do the other

Allanfan20 wrote:Fishmike, if you trade JJ and keep Lee, you dang well better go out and get OK4, like you`ve been preaching. Otherwise our defense is going to take a major step back for a good long time to come.

we can sign Camby or Brandon Haywood as alternative shotblocking solutions at C & go after 2 stud max guys to play with them... we gotta seriously let this sentimental attachment to D Lee go & do what's best for the franchise in general going forward.

TMS wrote:

fishmike wrote:

TMS wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:Fishmike, if you trade JJ and keep Lee, you dang well better go out and get OK4, like you`ve been preaching. Otherwise our defense is going to take a major step back for a good long time to come.

we can sign Camby or Brandon Haywood as alternative shotblocking solutions at C & go after 2 stud max guys to play with them... we gotta seriously let this sentimental attachment to D Lee go & do what's best for the franchise in general going forward.

your right. Its sentiment that makes me want to keep a player that gets better every year, works hard, fits into a system, has a great attitude and is close to being an allstar. Meanwhile everyone wants Bosh Bosh Bosh who is overrated beyond belief. But thats just my opinion

sorry but any sentiment i may have attached to players that have yet to gel into even a .500 W-L record yet is easily thrown away to bring in a better player that also works hard, fits into this system, has a great attitude and is already an elite bigman in the NBA & just hitting his prime... there's a reason why everyone wants Bosh Bosh Bosh, it's cuz he's 1 of the best bigmen in the NBA right now.

Sorry.. he's really good, but he's overpayed as a max player and he's not elite. Elite players have more than one winning season in 7.

We are a better team if we sign Lee for $9mm and use the other $8mm it would cost us on Bosh to resign Harrington or a veteran bigman. Much better.

kam77 wrote:I'd rather have Al + Lee than Bosh.
But only if LeBron feels the same way

As currently constructed, yes. But if building from scratch, no... Bosh has the ability to be a go to scorer and the leading rebounder. Both are on flawed rosters... but if you could start fresh then whose cap dollars can be spread more evenly as opposed to a whole lot of money on two PFs

fishmike wrote:

MS wrote:Take the best players in the league and no one can do it along. Hedo is highly overated as a player and really benefited from the team he played on. Nice player but worth 8-10 million a year? No.

Kobe couldn't do it with Lamar Odom/Caron Butler, Washington can't with Butler/Arenas/Jamison and the Hawks struggled before they addded Horford.

It's virtually impossible to carry a team. He plays for a team with a overated GM that has 3 starters that are horrific defenders and overpaid role players.

I wouldn't waste money on Al Harrington. They guy is a volume scorer who always takes terrible shots. There is a lot of value out there and I agree Lee at 8 million a player like Farmer at 5 and then a nice backup role playing defender might be better than bosh although maybe not.

But you can't name a successful team that doesn't have at least two guys that are all-star worthy that actually makes it out of round 1.

thats the thing.. an elite big man CAN do it alone. Ewing, Malone, Barkley, Duncan, Shaq... those guys never played on constant losers. TMS.. you make Bosh out to be like KG, and he's NOT. Note even close. When KG was putting up those #s his teams always won. Sure.. they couldnt get out of the first round because KG didnt have any help, but thats the point. He was ELITE and that was enough to get them to the playoffs every year. Bosh isnt in that group. He's a good player. He's McDyess, Boozer, Brand, Sheed... he's really good. He's not elite Is he better than Lee? Yes he is, but he's also peeked and the Raps still stink. At least Lee is getting better and he's going to cost a lot less. So much less that I can add another very good player to help build this team.

Yeah, but Lee plays no defense. I mean his help defense is pathetic. I would rather spend the money on Bosh and get a complete player than keep Lee and then have to find an above-average defenders to hide Lee's flaws. LeBron and Bosh should be the targets. We just have to let Harrington and Lee move on.

I would rather have that depth then Bosh. I think Walsh will actually be able to move Harrington, Douglas, Hill, Chanlder for something very solid for the future if needs be if not the above can be done. Jefferies will can and will be moved