orangeblobman wrote:

TMS wrote:

TheGame wrote:We should trade Nate, hill, a second rd pick, and $3 mill for stephon curry and Randolph. Great trade for both teams.

not sure why that's a good trade for GS tho, Nate's another undersized SG & they have a much better one in Ellis already.

Ellis is on the block too.

This is the type of situation where I get the feeling Golden State will really end up ****ing themselves.

i don't see Nate meshing well w/Donnie Nelson at all.

*tears per game

Ira wrote:The thing is, when their anxious to trade a player, we should be able to get a good deal. The Bobcats got Douglas for an aging Raja Bell. I think that, if it's true that they've given up on him, we can get Randolph for assets we don't want back next season.

No problem picking him up if this is the case, but...

Once again- Is he the kind of player MDA would want playing for him? Randolph has amazing talents, but I see him as a guy who not only wants, but needs the ball to be effective on offense. MDA is not going to run the offense through him.

Say what you want about Nelson- he understands the game, IMO; there is a reason that he is not enamored with Randolph, and it has to do with consistency and teamwork. Despite the fact that Randolph has shown numerous periods of brilliance, he has been inconsistent. He almost has too much overall raw ability, in some ways, and he (and his coaches)have not found a comfort zone for him to play in which allows him to maximize his talents.

The two issues with trying to get Randolph IMO-

1)What do Walsh and MDA think about Hill's future? They will not trade for Randolph if they think Hill can develop in the next year or two.

2)Are Randolph's weaknesses as a player the kind that can be corrected over time, or are they more of the Nate Rob kind- ingrained and impossible to change? If the latter, they will not trade for him if they have to give up too much.

As for Curry- I would go all out for him if he is available.

Nellie might have gone 'round the twist the last few years but he and subequently Grunfeld were right to get rid of mason, and to phase out Ewing. This is '96 and Pat did start to break down and hold on as a Diva. Pat was a free agent and did everything to get another max deal from us. We should have moved on.

Nellie is the all time wins leader in the NBA. LIke Lenny Wilkens, the previous owner of the record these guys are past their prime but Nellie had the right idea with the Knicks and (like Larry) was fired for not being on the same page as the owner who counts the reciepts!

Hindsight is easy. Teams that know when to say when and rebuild take a few steps back but come back in less than 3 seasons. We are coming up to 10 years since our 1999 lucky run to the finals with Spree and Camby playing out of their minds.

With Nellie there is no Ewing and Van gundy to bog things down.

fishmike wrote:

TMS wrote:i'd be willing to offer up Hill, Douglas & our 2nd round pick for Stephen Curry but still not sure why they'd give up on him so soon after they drafted him... he seems like a very coachable kid w/good head on his shoulders that's lived around the pro game all his life... AR i can see having some immaturity issues, but not Curry.

why Douglas looks good, Curry doesnt. He's been awful

i just think Curry will be better in the long run... i just feel like TD might have a lower upside... plus Donnie was real high on the kid so i gotta figure he saw something special in him... then there's the Lebron connection we all heard about by now... i think Curry could run this system better than TD can as a fulltime PG if given the chance based on what i've seen out of TD so far... actually the guy i'd hate to lose more in that deal is Hill cuz i think he's got a fairly good upside on him as well, plus he's a big.

Paladin55 wrote:

Ira wrote:The thing is, when their anxious to trade a player, we should be able to get a good deal. The Bobcats got Douglas for an aging Raja Bell. I think that, if it's true that they've given up on him, we can get Randolph for assets we don't want back next season.

No problem picking him up if this is the case, but...

Once again- Is he the kind of player MDA would want playing for him? Randolph has amazing talents, but I see him as a guy who not only wants, but needs the ball to be effective on offense. MDA is not going to run the offense through him.

Say what you want about Nelson- he understands the game, IMO; there is a reason that he is not enamored with Randolph, and it has to do with consistency and teamwork. Despite the fact that Randolph has shown numerous periods of brilliance, he has been inconsistent. He almost has too much overall raw ability, in some ways, and he (and his coaches)have not found a comfort zone for him to play in which allows him to maximize his talents.

The two issues with trying to get Randolph IMO-

1)What do Walsh and MDA think about Hill's future? They will not trade for Randolph if they think Hill can develop in the next year or two.

2)Are Randolph's weaknesses as a player the kind that can be corrected over time, or are they more of the Nate Rob kind- ingrained and impossible to change? If the latter, they will not trade for him if they have to give up too much.

As for Curry- I would go all out for him if he is available.

Randolph has been hurt this year and obviously Don Nelson has been going player to player creating beefs. I think the pattern is easy to see. The film to look at is from last year. He cant take the rebound down and move it up the floor but he doesnt need to have it in his hand to score--rather he is very active on both sides of the ball and can disruptively defend and score in a variety of ways. His intensity level is down this year--I watch a lot of GS--much more than MDA or DW combined. I think in this system he would flourish. Think of Jefferies on DX3 with much more offensive ability and only 20 years old. He's gopt a nice stroke can handle like a guard--a team just needs to let him go --he is a mobile 4 who can literally play 1-5.

fishmike wrote:I have seen him also. He's much more Lamaar Odom than KG. His maturity is an issue. I think MDA/Walsh could put good people around him.

Young guys like Randolph, Steph Curry....these guys would mature in a hurry playing next to LeBron James...He would really get everyone around him playing the best they posssibly could. Just the type of player James is...

The guys we would love to take back like Raja Bell and Speedy Claxton aren't available to be traded just yet.

Golden State would probably only be interested in David Lee as he is the only proven consistent young vet performer that we have to offer. That's what they said there looking for.

Once Bell and Claxton become available through trade. Id offer David Lee and Wilson Chandler for Speedy Claxton, Stephon Curry and Anthony Morrow.

Imagine the 3pt shooting capabilities with a lineup featuring Curry-Morrow-Gallinari. The space they create would be incredible.

PresIke wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:So I have to be the first to ask: Does Walsh or MDA actually want Randolph on the Knicks

AR has a chance to be a real NBA superstar--why wouldnt they want him? Maybe some reality losses will bring both of those guys back down a few pegs

i really think for walsh "character" is big, and does not like take on players, no matter the talent level, who he sees as having potential behavior issues.

other than nate...but he's a current asset, and has shown willingness to be a good "soldier." for him it's more of an adhd type of thing.