orangeblobman wrote:I think he's writing this year off, so.

yup. No one can guarantee a championship. But if we make a good showing with this group, 'bron would be enticed.

It's been said before 'bron with the group we have now should finish top 4 in the East.

babyKnicks wrote:Can someone show me some proof bosh is worth max dollars?

Agree. More in the $12-13 range, IMO.

TMS wrote:the same thing happens every year... this team goes through a good 5 or 6 game stretch & all of a sudden we need to keep the veteran players around cuz we're on the cusp of making a serious run at the playoffs & completely lose sight of the plan we all agreed was the right way to go before the season began.

again, if you're Lebron are you more likely to wanna come play with Lee & Harrington or Chris Bosh? is this even a question? i don't care how well the team is playing right now, if we have a shot at setting up our cap to sign Lebron & Bosh in the offseason we need to take it, case closed... say we used Harrington, Duhon, Hughes or Lee to dump either Curry or Fishlips in a T-Mac trade or something along those lines & traded another for any scrub expirings & future draft pick & let the other guys walk at the end of the season... in 2010 we'd still have Gallo who would complement Lebron & Bosh tremendously well along w/Chandler, Hill & TD along w/either Curry or Fishlips leftover... then u round out the rest of the roster w/veteran's minimum contracts, a 2nd rounder & go from there.

the hardest part is to get those marquee guys here first, then u can worry about building the rest of the pieces as you go... until we get those 2 bigname guys, this team will never be a realistic championship contender... look over most of the championship teams in the past they all have at least 2 big name guys along w/a good supporting cast of role players... u put Lebron & Bosh together w/Gallo, Chandler, Hill & TD & that's a good enough core to contend for the playoffs instantly anyway... then in 2011 u stand to have more cap space available to sign a quality veteran support players to make a realistic run at a title.

TMS, I agree. It is simple. If we get Lebron, then Harrington needs to go. If we can get Bosh, then Lee needs to go. It is as simple as that. No one on this team is irreplaceable, except Gallo. If we cannot get Bosh or Lebron, I might consider resigning Harrington, but with Lee, you really have to figure out where Hill fits in. The kid has game. Can he step up and fill Lee's shoes next season? If you think he can, I would trade Lee, who should at least bring in a 1st round pick. I would also try to keep Hughes on a 1 year deal.

orangeblobman wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:Can someone show me some proof bosh is worth max dollars?

Agree. More in the $12-13 range, IMO.

Going just by the numbers, he's only marginally better than David Lee. How much better is Bosh on defense?

He is already making $15M, though, so you know the progression has him going for a max contract. He is in his prime and playing well, so you figure that some team will offer him more than $15M, but I don't see him as being worth that much money. He is going to get a max contract from someone, I would expect, I just hope it is not from us.

If, in some dream situation, we had enough $$ to take on two max contracts, I would rather take a Lebron, and spend the other 17 on two players.

I also wish that Hill could get some more time against real competition, so we could get a better idea of what kind of player he might become someday. If he has no future as a major contributor (I personally think he will a solid player on the Knicks someday.)then we might have to think about Bosh.

Paladin55 wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:Can someone show me some proof bosh is worth max dollars?

Agree. More in the $12-13 range, IMO.

Going just by the numbers, he's only marginally better than David Lee. How much better is Bosh on defense?

Easy to see that his shot blocking is "better," but hardly that good for a guy who has played center. He does not even average .5SPG which tells me something about how quick his hands are. He is physically strong, and is better defending in the post than Lee, but I have not seen anything "special" about him on D. Toronto is just about the worst defensive team in the league and Bosh is a key player on that D. You draw your own conclusion. The fact that Hedu and Bargnani have slow feet also has to be taken into consideration, but Bosh has hardly been a K. Garnett type PF for the Raptors as far as defense goes.

He is already making $15M, though, so you know the progression has him going for a max contract. He is in his prime and playing well, so you figure that some team will offer him more than $15M, but I don't see him as being worth that much money. He is going to get a max contract from someone, I would expect, I just hope it is not from us.

If, in some dream situation, we had enough $$ to take on two max contracts, I would rather take a Lebron, and spend the other 17 on two players.

I also wish that Hill could get some more time against real competition, so we could get a better idea of what kind of player he might become someday. If he has no future as a major contributor (I personally think he will a solid player on the Knicks someday.)then we might have to think about Bosh.

That is like saying Pau Gasol wasnt worth the max because Memphis went 20-62 every year with him. By golly he goes to a very good team and all of a sudden his FG% gos up 10% and the team is winning championships. I would worry about how many blocked shots Chris Bosh would have but rather how many teams could actually contain a Bosh Lee Gallinari and Harrington as 4 frontcourt. Bosh and Lee are two top 5-6 rebounders in the NBA alone. It would be a frontline on par with LA. Im sure we can find a 7 foot shot blocker for vet minimum---Stephen Hunter ish? But if Im going to pay a guy big $--I want to see 24-12-3 25 years old 6-11+.

Paladin55 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:Can someone show me some proof bosh is worth max dollars?

Agree. More in the $12-13 range, IMO.

Going just by the numbers, he's only marginally better than David Lee. How much better is Bosh on defense?

Easy to see that his shot blocking is "better," but hardly that good for a guy who has played center. He does not even average .5SPG which tells me something about how quick his hands are. He is physically strong, and is better defending in the post than Lee, but I have not seen anything "special" about him on D. Toronto is just about the worst defensive team in the league and Bosh is a key player on that D. You draw your own conclusion. The fact that Hedu and Bargnani have slow feet also has to be taken into consideration, but Bosh has hardly been a K. Garnett type PF for the Raptors as far as defense goes.

He is already making $15M, though, so you know the progression has him going for a max contract. He is in his prime and playing well, so you figure that some team will offer him more than $15M, but I don't see him as being worth that much money. He is going to get a max contract from someone, I would expect, I just hope it is not from us.

If, in some dream situation, we had enough $$ to take on two max contracts, I would rather take a Lebron, and spend the other 17 on two players.

I also wish that Hill could get some more time against real competition, so we could get a better idea of what kind of player he might become someday. If he has no future as a major contributor (I personally think he will a solid player on the Knicks someday.)then we might have to think about Bosh.

That is like saying Pau Gasol wasnt worth the max because Memphis went 20-62 every year with him. By golly he goes to a very good team and all of a sudden his FG% gos up 10% and the team is winning championships. I would worry about how many blocked shots Chris Bosh would have but rather how many teams could actually contain a Bosh Lee Gallinari and Harrington as 4 frontcourt. Bosh and Lee are two top 5-6 rebounders in the NBA alone. It would be a frontline on par with LA. Im sure we can find a 7 foot shot blocker for vet minimum---Stephen Hunter ish? But if Im going to pay a guy big $--I want to see 24-12-3 25 years old 6-11+.

I can't really say that I "dislike" Bosh as a player, I just don't want to spend $17M on him. Perhaps I will feel differently if James is gone and Bosh is the only big name player left for us to go after.

I have to admit, though, that I think Hill will someday be able to do most of the things Bosh can do at this point, and be a better defender to boot.

Before the Bosh comparison's he needs to start by getting into a game. They should let him play D League for 5 games just to get him playing 40 minutes versus solid competition and see how it goes instead of watching. Maybe if he can do 20-10 in the D league and NY management sees some things he can do with extended minutes--perhaps that would be a plus for both. I mean why not use the D league--that is what it is there for.

Paladin55 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:Can someone show me some proof bosh is worth max dollars?

Agree. More in the $12-13 range, IMO.

Going just by the numbers, he's only marginally better than David Lee. How much better is Bosh on defense?

Easy to see that his shot blocking is "better," but hardly that good for a guy who has played center. He does not even average .5SPG which tells me something about how quick his hands are. He is physically strong, and is better defending in the post than Lee, but I have not seen anything "special" about him on D. Toronto is just about the worst defensive team in the league and Bosh is a key player on that D. You draw your own conclusion. The fact that Hedu and Bargnani have slow feet also has to be taken into consideration, but Bosh has hardly been a K. Garnett type PF for the Raptors as far as defense goes.

He is already making $15M, though, so you know the progression has him going for a max contract. He is in his prime and playing well, so you figure that some team will offer him more than $15M, but I don't see him as being worth that much money. He is going to get a max contract from someone, I would expect, I just hope it is not from us.

If, in some dream situation, we had enough $$ to take on two max contracts, I would rather take a Lebron, and spend the other 17 on two players.

I also wish that Hill could get some more time against real competition, so we could get a better idea of what kind of player he might become someday. If he has no future as a major contributor (I personally think he will a solid player on the Knicks someday.)then we might have to think about Bosh.

That is like saying Pau Gasol wasnt worth the max because Memphis went 20-62 every year with him. By golly he goes to a very good team and all of a sudden his FG% gos up 10% and the team is winning championships. I would worry about how many blocked shots Chris Bosh would have but rather how many teams could actually contain a Bosh Lee Gallinari and Harrington as 4 frontcourt. Bosh and Lee are two top 5-6 rebounders in the NBA alone. It would be a frontline on par with LA. Im sure we can find a 7 foot shot blocker for vet minimum---Stephen Hunter ish? But if Im going to pay a guy big $--I want to see 24-12-3 25 years old 6-11+.

I can't really say that I "dislike" Bosh as a player, I just don't want to spend $17M on him. Perhaps I will feel differently if James is gone and Bosh is the only big name player left for us to go after.

I have to admit, though, that I think Hill will someday be able to do most of the things Bosh can do at this point, and be a better defender to boot.

Hill doesn't have the 3 pt. range that Bosh has or the ability to take his man off the dribble... IMHO just basing on what i've seen out of him in college play, Hill will be a good player & maybe put up D Lee type production in the right situation someday, but nowhere near Bosh's level.