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12/10/2009  6:24 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:Without jumping on the Gallo is god wagon, you have to recognize that a 6'10 guy that can shoot 45% and above from behind the arc alters the opposing team's defensive scheme. Gallo may not be a top 10 player (ever), but he spreads the floor by taking a SF/P/C out of the paint. This is different than your standard 3pt killer because most 3pt specialists can be guarded by a PG or a SG. Gallo will shoot over them. Gallo can dribble around most bigs by causing defenders to leave their feet with his infamous head fake. They have to respect his shot.
echo that... I think the only thing I am going on a limb with that kind of statement is that Gallo has the cohones to hit those shots, and DJ insists that he does. Good enough for me
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12/10/2009  6:43 PM
fishmike wrote:As for you guys felatiating the Lakers people were saying the same stuff when Larry's Pistons almost swept them. There are 4-5 teams that can beat them if they get hot.

any team can beat any team if they get hot... we're talking about talent level & team depth... they have it by far over any other team in basketball right now if u ask me... i don't care if u added 3 Gallo's to the Cavaliers, the Lakers will still be favored to win that series... i hate the Lakers, i don't exactly take pleasure in saying this.

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12/10/2009  6:54 PM
Sophomore 20: Lopez the new No. 1
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Thorpe By David Thorpe

Brook Lopez & Anthony RandolphNathaniel S. Butler/NBAE/Getty ImagesNew Jersey's Brook Lopez and Golden State's Anthony Randolph are making some noise in Year 2.

The difference between being a rookie and a second-year player is not just a season of experience. Fans and coaches also have much bigger expectations for sophomores, with less tolerance for mistakes.

With the season in its second full month, many of the sophs are now finding their stride. The big men are still dominating this list, but the guards are moving up the ladder.

1. Brook Lopez, Nets | Previous rank: 6
Lopez is delivering for the Nets even though opposing teams know he is the team's best offensive player right now. In the two wins the Nets notched this past week, he averaged 28 points and 12 rebounds. The best part is we can expect his production to only increase over the next few months as his new coach and teammates learn to better utilize him. With a few more wins, Lopez's first All-Star appearance would not be out of the question.

2. Marc Gasol, Grizzlies | Previous rank: 1
Gasol continues to be a revelation for a suddenly hot Grizzlies team. Ironically, he scored only 25 points on 8-of-21 shooting during Memphis' impressive three-game winning streak -- this from the league's best finisher at 60 percent for the season. But this is a tribute to his overall talent; he is one of the best scoring/passing combo centers in basketball and does not need to be the main focus on offense to impact a game.

3. Jason Thompson, Kings | Previous rank: 4
Thompson is going through the growing pains of becoming a legit big man in this league. He'll take two steps forward (22 and 14 in the Kings' win over the Hornets), then one step back (2-for-9 shooting against a Miami team without Jermaine O'Neal). He also still spends too much time on the bench due to foul trouble. If he can figure this part of the game out, he'll see a jump in his production. Still, he is clearly making progress overall and has become a scoring threat from both inside and out.

4. Ersan Ilyasova, Bucks | Previous rank: 15
Brandon Jennings isn't the only reason for Milwaukee's unexpected start; Ilyasova has played well, too. He can finish shots inside, he can make perimeter shots and he's a solid rebounder. More than that, he knows how to play: He doesn't rush things or put himself in bad spots on the floor. You can tell he learned the game playing in Europe's top league.

5. Russell Westbrook, Thunder | Previous rank: 2
Westbrook's shooting woes and poor shot selection continue to hurt him. More than two-thirds of his shots come from the perimeter, where he's shooting less than 40 percent (and just 31 percent from 3). But his energy and athleticism are still having a positive impact. More importantly, he is managing the game better and quarterbacking his team into playoff contention.

6. Anthony Randolph, Warriors | Previous rank: 8
Randolph finally put all his prodigious talent together to produce a whopper of a game: 28 points, 13 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 block, 1 steal and no turnovers against the Magic. For someone who just turned 20 this past summer, that's special. Now if he can only focus on taking shots in or near the paint and avoid hoisting perimeter jumpers, he'd move into the top four of this list.

7. Ryan Anderson, Magic | Previous rank: 7
With Rashard Lewis back in the lineup, Anderson's playing time has plummeted. And now so have his shooting percentages: He has made only three of his past 17 3s, and 21 of his past 58 shots overall. It typically takes years of experience to become a solid outside shooter with limited minutes and touches, but that's the task he's faced with.

8. Danilo Gallinari, Knicks | Previous rank: 13
The Knicks are on the upswing, and Gallo is part of the reason why. He continues to be a shooting threat and has scored in double figures in three of their recent wins. He's also making defensive contributions, adding 1.8 steals and 1.3 blocks so far in December.

Knicks fans are surely envisioning his skills meshing well with a certain MVP-caliber 3-man. I'll put it another way: If Gallo was a Cav, Cleveland would be the best team in basketball.

9. Eric Gordon, Clippers | Previous rank: 12
Gordon's game is improving in almost every aspect. He's becoming a bulldog on defense, fighting for every inch and averaging 1.58 steals per game. And on offense he's getting to the paint more -- and finishing -- which makes him a more effective player. On some nights, he looks like the Clips' best player.

10. Michael Beasley, Heat | Previous rank: 20
Here are two reasons why Beasley is currently finding success: (1) 10 percent of his baskets are dunks this season, compared to 4 percent last season, and (2) his coach has found another way to utilize his talents as a zone-buster.

The term "zone-buster" normally means someone who sits way outside and stretches a zone with his 3-point shot, but Beasley is a better, rarer kind of zone-buster. He is the man in the middle that can make midrange shots in the soft part of a zone or attack the crease and get buckets.

11. O.J. Mayo, Grizzlies | Previous rank: 11
He's been on fire from 3 (hitting 10-of-16 to start December). But it's his improved shot selection and awareness of where teammates are that has caught my eye. His ability to stay focused and team-oriented surely helped Memphis survive its rough start to the season.

12. Derrick Rose, Bulls | Previous rank: 19
Rose is showing signs that he's on his way back to being one of the most unguardable players in the game. His explosiveness with the ball as a dribbler and finisher is on display again. And he's gotten craftier, too, using runners and floaters in the paint.

However, not being a 3-point shooter or a guy who gets to the line a lot hurts him; his true shooting percentage (50.1) ranks 48th in the league among point guards. Still, I project him to move up these rankings as he learns to assert himself more in the offense as both a scorer and facilitator.

13. Anthony Morrow, Warriors | Previous rank: NR
Morrow narrowly missed the cut in my first report, but after scoring 20 or more points in four out of seven games recently, he's found a home in our top 20. In that span, he shot the lights out: 52-of-94 overall and 22-of-42 from 3. He is arguably the best shooter in the NBA; his feel for openings and his overall flow separate him from other shooters.

14. Roy Hibbert, Pacers | Previous rank: 3
Hibbert's minutes and production have taken a nosedive during the Pacers' losing streak. He had seven straight double-figure-scoring games, while playing at least 25 minutes a game, in which the Pacers went 5-2. Since then, he has just one double-figure scoring game. Teams have gone small against the Pacers, which can be a problem for Hibbert, so Indy might just have to start playing more zone defense to get him back into the game.

15. Chris Douglas-Roberts, Nets | Previous rank: 10
CDR is still scoring well, with four games of 20-plus points since Thanksgiving. Although he's not much help on the boards, I like his effort and willingness to use his body when defending. He's competitive, and his spirit played a part in the Nets' ability to rebound after dropping 18 straight.

16. Mario Chalmers, Heat | Previous rank: 17
Chalmers has not shown a lot of improvement since last season, other than as a shooter. That works for the Heat, who need his 39 percent shooting from 3 to help spread the floor for Dwyane Wade. But he needs to clean up his turnovers if he wants to secure his spot beyond the season. If he can manage a game, hit 3s and play solid defense, he'll stick.

17. Rudy Fernandez, Blazers | Previous rank: 9
Fernandez has been providing his usual 3-point shooting and all-around hustle. And he's made big strides on defense. Unfortunately, he is out four to six weeks with a back injury that required surgery. We'll remove him from the next report and consider him again when he comes back.

18. Donte Greene, Kings | Previous rank: 16
Greene has had his moments of glory, like his 24-point explosion in Sacramento's win over New York. But he's still a little too locked into being a scorer and not focused enough on rebounding and defense. In his defense, injuries have forced him to be a 6-11 shooting guard, which isn't his natural position. (His struggles are similar to when Kevin Durant played the 2 during his rookie season.)

Finding playing time for Greene will be tougher when some of the Kings' core players return from injury later this season, but he's earned the right to stay in the rotation.

19. George Hill, Spurs | Previous rank: 14
Hill is quick to the rim and able to finish close shots, he's making 38 percent of his 3s and his turnover rate is low. Factor in his solid defense and you'd think the Spurs were getting just what they need from him. However, he's struggling with his perimeter shot inside the line.

Yes, he's holding his own in San Antonio, but he could be doing a lot more. I think he could be a top-10 to top-15 guy in this class with just a little more success as a shooter.

20. J.J. Hickson, Cavaliers | Previous rank: 18
Hickson has cracked the rotation, getting somewhere near 20 minutes a game now. He has had some nice moments using his size and athleticism. But without the ability to space the floor as a shooter, he's not a perfect fit in Cleveland. If the Cavs make any deals, they'll aim to bring in a shooter at this spot.

Honorable mentions

Greg Oden, Blazers | Previous rank: 5
Oden's game was really starting to get going and he was starting to generate some All-Star buzz. His rebound rate was better than every center in the NBA, save one guy: his teammate, Joel Przybilla. Unfortunately his season is now over after undergoing surgery for another knee injury.

Kevin Love, Timberwolves | Previous rank: NR
Look for Love in this report at the end of the month. He's been doing everything for the Wolves, who have been more competitive since he returned from injury. He's even making 3s, which is a huge weapon for a team nearly devoid of deep threats. He's 5-for-8 so far, after making just 2-of-19 last season.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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12/10/2009  6:57 PM
This is a pretty worthless article. OJ, Morrow, and Rose are out of the top ten?
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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12/10/2009  7:06 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/10/2009  7:07 PM
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fishmike wrote:As for you guys felatiating the Lakers people were saying the same stuff when Larry's Pistons almost swept them. There are 4-5 teams that can beat them if they get hot.

any team can beat any team if they get hot... we're talking about talent level & team depth... they have it by far over any other team in basketball right now if u ask me... i don't care if u added 3 Gallo's to the Cavaliers, the Lakers will still be favored to win that series... i hate the Lakers, i don't exactly take pleasure in saying this.

But it's realistic, which is what I'm just trying to state also. It's a little shocking to believe that the Cavs are the best team in basketball if all they did was simply acquire Gallo. He's a kid in the NBA that has all the talent in the world to be an impact player one day, but he hasn't played an 82 game season. If they had him instead of Varajeo, they be a more exciting team to watch for sure, but I just don't think the experience and everything Gallo is capable of doing is there yet.

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12/10/2009  7:21 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:This is a pretty worthless article. OJ, Morrow, and Rose are out of the top ten?

yea... .really,now that I look at it, how can I take all of this serious... anthony randolph belongs nowhere in the top 10.. but this thing seems to change often..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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12/10/2009  9:24 PM
There is no way Ryan effing Anderson belongs over Gallo.
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12/10/2009  9:51 PM
I agree. Ryan Anderson sucks. I bet my life that next year, when they do Junior 20, Gallo is in first place.
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12/10/2009  11:19 PM
Orange we get it. Why don't you ask Martin to sticky a thread that just says OrangeBlobMan is the superest of superfans and be done with it?

I know you have a Nate cabbage patch kid at home. I know you keep a jar of Steph's vasoline by your bed. I know you have a Donnie Walsh snuggie. I know you have a Rooster alarm clock. I even know that you write hate mail to www.heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com.

We all get it. Bring some content maybe... just maybe?

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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12/10/2009  11:26 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/10/2009  11:40 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:Orange we get it. Why don't you ask Martin to sticky a thread that just says OrangeBlobMan is the superest of superfans and be done with it?

I know you have a Nate cabbage patch kid at home. I know you keep a jar of Steph's vasoline by your bed. I know you have a Donnie Walsh snuggie. I know you have a Rooster alarm clock. I even know that you write hate mail to www.heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com.

We all get it. Bring some content maybe... just maybe?

You don't get, Mr. JohnWallace44.

It's not that I'm a superfan or this crazy person that is like all nuts about the thing. I have expressed my reservations about Gallo, mainly because of his back injury. And I am still concerned that it might derail his career.

But I also know a budding superstar when I see one, and it's difficult to watch Gallo get chewed up over, and over, and over again on this board by people that seem all too ready to praise any other player in the league except our own.

Sure, it's a question of optimism but it's also overwhelmingly based on my observations from watching the kid play this year. He is ice cold. You can't phase him. And he's in a fresh country, in Madison Square Garden, playing with what you might even call a hostile veteran collective. AND he's only 21. AND he has shown the ability to literaly do EVERYTHING on the court; maybe not dominating in everything, but certainly above average. He can pass it, shoot it, take it to the hole, play defense, etc.,. He's an astonishingly well rounded player in a way that players like Gordon or Lopez could only dream of.

Certainly he has a broader skill-set than Dirk. It's only a question of how quickly he will develop into awesomeness, not whether he can.

Another thing: We forget that Gallo barely has half a season of game time under his belt. Lopez has had a full season already, and while the situation in NJ is far from perfect, it has been, until VERY recently, infinitely more stable. Gallo was in a lot of ways lucky to be in NY, under MDA, but also somewhat unfortunate that he got thrown in the middle of the ass end of a royal cluster ****.

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12/10/2009  11:45 PM
The Dirk thing really confuses me. You're talking about a guy who carried a team to within a Donaghy of a ring.

Are you talking about Dirk when he was in year 2?

Dirk can score from anywhere. How is his skill set broader than Dirk?

Bravo for Gallo, but just let the guy be what he is. There's no reason to try and say he's better than the Rose's and Mayo's of the world right now.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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12/10/2009  11:47 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:The Dirk thing really confuses me. You're talking about a guy who carried a team to within a Donaghy of a ring.

Are you talking about Dirk when he was in year 2?

Dirk can score from anywhere. How is his skill set broader than Dirk?

Bravo for Gallo, but just let the guy be what he is. There's no reason to try and say he's better than the Rose's and Mayo's of the world right now.

Yes, but also Dirk now. Can Dirk dish the rock like Gallo? Dirk can shoot, but Gallo shoots better than him already. Things like that.

Obviously we have to wait for him to mature and peak, but he has, I think, an amazing peak ahead of him.

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12/11/2009  12:17 AM
Gallo's 3 pt shooting: #8 among players with 70 attempts

2009-10 Statistics
Dirk


PPG 27.0
RPG 8.5
APG 2.9
SPG 1.0
BPG 1.5
FG% 0.471
FT% 0.890
3P% 0.327
MPG 38.5

Gallo

PPG 14.0
RPG 4.7
APG 1.5
SPG 0.9
BPG 0.8
FG% 0.445
FT% 0.813
3P% 0.449
MPG 29.7

This is what I was referring to when I asked you for some content. Just spouting that Gallo is better than Dirk doesn't really get you anywhere.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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12/11/2009  12:25 AM
#1. no one said Gallo was better than Dirk. They are at different stages of their careers. Gallo has the all around skills to, at his peak, be better than Dirk at his peak.

#2. That's what content is to you? That's garbage. Comparing the stats of a rook and an MVP in his 30s isn't worth the time it takes to dig the stats up.

But if you want to look at the stats, note the assists, steals, blocks, 3%.

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12/11/2009  12:40 AM
So is effective field goal percentage your stat of choice then? Just want to have some area where we can debate on real terms instead of just opining about Gallo just because he's the flavor of the week wearing blue and orange.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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12/11/2009  12:42 AM
I don't have a stat of choice, man. I know a winner when I see one. I guess there is no 'real' debate here.
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12/11/2009  12:47 AM
Its impossible to have a discussion with someone who just says, "I can see it, why can't you?"

Gallo's plenty good without trying to put him above players who are clearly above him in terms of value like OJ/Rose/Westbrook, or those who are playing a similar role like Morrow

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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12/11/2009  12:51 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/11/2009  12:54 AM
What can I really say at this point? I spelled out why I think he's better. I watch all the games. You watch the games. I can wipe my ass with stats, stats are complimentary (and I think they do back up my points in this). You see his ice cold demeanor? You see his passing skills? The way he sees the floor, the little things, I can't quantify this. He's playing this well with what, 50 games under him? He's shown a willingness to learn. He's shown a maturity and a team spirit that's rare in guys his age in this league. He is a team player, he is a strong-willed LEADER, he has it man.

Mayo? Westbrook? They grew up playing American style ball. Gallo just recently got a handle on the language. It's well known that there is a significantly longer transition period for international players. I could go on, but the fact is that he's awesome and he's developing RAPIDLY right in front of our eyes.

Instead of ignoring this, we should be enjoying. Point is, I'm not 'fanboy'. I am just ecstatic that we have a future superstar on our hands.

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12/11/2009  8:09 AM
orangeblobman wrote:What can I really say at this point? I spelled out why I think he's better. I watch all the games. You watch the games. I can wipe my ass with stats, stats are complimentary (and I think they do back up my points in this). You see his ice cold demeanor? You see his passing skills? The way he sees the floor, the little things, I can't quantify this. He's playing this well with what, 50 games under him? He's shown a willingness to learn. He's shown a maturity and a team spirit that's rare in guys his age in this league. He is a team player, he is a strong-willed LEADER, he has it man.

Mayo? Westbrook? They grew up playing American style ball. Gallo just recently got a handle on the language. It's well known that there is a significantly longer transition period for international players. I could go on, but the fact is that he's awesome and he's developing RAPIDLY right in front of our eyes.

Instead of ignoring this, we should be enjoying. Point is, I'm not 'fanboy'. I am just ecstatic that we have a future superstar on our hands.


so I take it you have backed off on your stand about how sad it is his career is over? Am I the only one that remembers those threads?
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12/11/2009  8:14 AM
fishmike wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:What can I really say at this point? I spelled out why I think he's better. I watch all the games. You watch the games. I can wipe my ass with stats, stats are complimentary (and I think they do back up my points in this). You see his ice cold demeanor? You see his passing skills? The way he sees the floor, the little things, I can't quantify this. He's playing this well with what, 50 games under him? He's shown a willingness to learn. He's shown a maturity and a team spirit that's rare in guys his age in this league. He is a team player, he is a strong-willed LEADER, he has it man.

Mayo? Westbrook? They grew up playing American style ball. Gallo just recently got a handle on the language. It's well known that there is a significantly longer transition period for international players. I could go on, but the fact is that he's awesome and he's developing RAPIDLY right in front of our eyes.

Instead of ignoring this, we should be enjoying. Point is, I'm not 'fanboy'. I am just ecstatic that we have a future superstar on our hands.


so I take it you have backed off on your stand about how sad it is his career is over? Am I the only one that remembers those threads?

His back was acting up. I STILL am very concerned that his back will mess his career up. All of the above is based on the assumption that he can manage that injury. I pray for him.

His back injury is the only knock on Gallo; which happened because the NBA thought it a good idea to let an obese fool 'play' in the Summer League, an obese fool that had no chance of playing in the NBA ever again. But that's another story.

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Can someone post the espn Insider, got some Gallo stuff

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