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I wonder of Port Ny would do Bayless for Hill?
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TMS
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12/8/2009  3:12 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/8/2009  3:13 PM
BRIGGS wrote:

If they offered me Bayless for Hill--it would be a done deal.

last year if they offered you Bayless for Gallo it would have been a done deal too... how about a little patience on Hill, maybe he'll actually prove u wrong about him?

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12/8/2009  3:18 PM
Nice timing Briggs. What can we give to get Bayless, and stop this Hill nonsense!

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/63283/20091208/bayless_wants_portland_to_deal_him/

Multiple sources told Dwight Jaynes over the weekend that Trail Blazers guard Jerryd Bayless has asked the team to trade him.

Portland might need another big man following Greg Oden's season-ending knee injury and Bayless might be the type of player that can get them one.

However, Jaynes points out that Blazers general manager Kevin Pritchard is usually adverse to in-season trades.

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12/8/2009  3:20 PM
And our chances just increased even more.

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/63286/20091208/rudy_will_have_back_surgery/

Rudy Fernandez will undergo a surgical procedure on Tuesday to relieve pressure from a nerve root in his back.

Fernandez has been suffering from sciatic condition which is causing pain in his right leg.

Details of the recovery timetable will be released after the surgery is completed.

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12/8/2009  3:22 PM
Andrew wrote:Regardless of the Hill vs Bayless talent arguement, trading Hill leaves you paper thin on the front line next year. Consider that Lee, Harrington, Darko are all UFAs you could potentially be left with Gallo, Curry (if healthy) and JJ as your biggest players.

If Im the Knicks Im going to retain Lee--that is priority 1B. We can offer D Lee the 6th year option and I think that will be the game changer unless there is a crazed team out there.

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12/8/2009  3:31 PM
I'm offering Portland Chandler for Bayless.
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12/8/2009  3:39 PM
nyk4ever wrote:I'm offering Portland Chandler for Bayless.

If Lebron is coming, then Chandler is expendable.
Also, Nate is a consideration. He would probably agree to resign with them too.

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12/8/2009  4:18 PM
N8 and Chandler for Bayless and a 2nd rounder.
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12/8/2009  4:31 PM
don't think anyone would want nate now. he's proven he can't play for a legendary hard-*** coach, a bad coach and a players coach. there aren't many kinds of coaches left for nate to prove he can't play for.
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12/8/2009  4:33 PM
Moonangie wrote:N8 and Chandler for Bayless and a 2nd rounder.

dollars don't match & that's way too much to give up for just Bayless... u can buy a 2nd round pick every year.

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12/8/2009  4:33 PM
maybe he can play for THE coach?

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12/8/2009  6:25 PM
You never trade big for small period, unless the big is a jerome james type. Love bayless but i would have to disagree with this trade simple because bigs with jump shots are like blue chips.
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12/8/2009  8:02 PM
knicks1248 wrote:You never trade big for small period, unless the big is a jerome james type. Love bayless but i would have to disagree with this trade simple because bigs with jump shots are like blue chips.

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jumpshooting bigs are a dime a dozen

with lee and gallo up front, a guard like bayless would feast on teams. type of deal ny should pursue.

the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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12/8/2009  8:34 PM
McK1 wrote:jumpshooting bigs are a dime a dozen

with lee and gallo up front, a guard like bayless would feast on teams. type of deal ny should pursue.

WHAT? Are you serious? A Big with the ability to shoot with range is not a dime a dozen thing in the NBA. MDA covets those kinds of guys cuz it keeps the options open and the floor as well. Hill is gonna be a very good player for us in the future. He's not playing now mostly due to inexperience, cuz he's got the skills to fit in this system. He just has to learn how to play the position in this system. In college he didn't have to think the game on this level, which is many levels above anything he had to do. So his not playing isn't cuz he's not a good pick.

This isn't the old days when you could just throw Balkman in there and let him play with energy and he'd be OK. You have to know how to play and read what's happening. That's why Lee does so well. That's also why Curry is gonna need a lot of time to work in practice cuz there's more to this than just running up and down and jackin shots or running to the post and standing there.

Bayless doesn't really have BB IQ either. We need a cerebral guard more than another athlete.

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12/8/2009  9:53 PM
I'd be good with Wilson, Nate, and a 2nd for Bayless, Outlaw, and a 1st.
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12/8/2009  10:16 PM
Not trading N8+JJ for Kenny THomas at the trade deadline last year is coming back to haunt us. Now nobody wants Nate and we are still stuck with JJ.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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12/8/2009  10:17 PM
djsunyc wrote:maybe he can play for THE coach?

Nate should stay with football for sure.
But he has no idea and nobody around to ask...

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12/8/2009  11:30 PM
nixluva wrote:
McK1 wrote:jumpshooting bigs are a dime a dozen

with lee and gallo up front, a guard like bayless would feast on teams. type of deal ny should pursue.

WHAT? Are you serious? A Big with the ability to shoot with range is not a dime a dozen thing in the NBA.

Bayless doesn't really have BB IQ either. We need a cerebral guard more than another athlete.

please get a league pass. mojaority of bigs in the nba face up and score shooting he same shot covets. if you're local and caught the bulls nets game, taj gibson feasted on the face up shot off pick n roll.

as for bayless, his scoring ability playing off guys like Lee and Gallo trumps whatever IQ issues you perceive him to have and whatever nonsense about him being more athlete than ball player you are talking about. this isn't crawford shooting 30 foot fall away threes off of a crossover, bayless is a guy who attacks the d and gets to the free throw line and has a lovely pull up jumper to boot.

the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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12/9/2009  9:21 AM
mixed feelings on Bayless. I like his game and agree McK1. Problem is he's very small. He's actually smaller when you consider Douglas has a much longer reach. Neither are real PGs. Be that as it may I dont really see the point. I think Jordan Hill is going to be pretty good despite the fact he's not getting any burn now
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12/9/2009  8:24 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/10/2009  8:03 AM
I like Bayless and Rudy Fernandez - I think they both would be excellent fits here. That's the package I want from Portland. That haul would go a long way in improving the depth & quality of our backcourt moving forward..I would love to acquire both of these guys but not for Jordan Hill..That's robbing Peter to pay Paul if you ask me - I don't like the idea of trading one promising young player at a reasonable salary for another. For some teams that are more successful than we are, OK, I could see dealing away a young guy at a position of surplus, but for us, a team finally on the verge of straightening out it's salary cap issues and a team that hasn't really experienced any type of success with the productive young vets we do have in place (guys who could bolt because they'll be looking for too much money), it makes little sense. We need to add as many of these young cost-effective guys as we can get our hands on right now, not subtract one to add another - we need help in too many areas...I'd love to keep David Lee but I feel he may be playing his way right out of our price range now. He'd make sense to bring back on a deal starting somewhere in the neighborhood of around $7 mil. a year but I fear he's playing well above that right now. He's the guy I look to deal to Portland. He and Nate. Possibly Chandler too if they wanted him (Outlaw's out with a broken leg, Martell Webster goes long stretches where he's invisible for that club and this kid Cunnigham's still green and wet behind the ears). That should be enough to strike up a conversation with Portland w/o giving up on Jordan Hill..

Gotta feel out Lee and Nate and see how they'd feel about possibly being traded. It'll be tough because the team's playing better right now and they may not want to go anywhere (remarkably, the team's only a couple of games out of a playoff spot and if they make the playoffs they each get that extra $1 million dollar kicker -- I don't think that benefit would go with them in a trade), but it's still something that Walsh needs to think about. There's a ton of risk and uncertainty involved where we could very well wind up losing these guys for nothing after the season. I just couldn't accept that which is why I'd ultimately look to move them. Between Lee and Nate, moving Lee would be the much tougher pill to swallow because he's playing great. Nate, on the other hand, is done on this team -- the writing's on the wall already. You can see it. MDA's just done with this guy..Lee and Nate together makes a ton of sense for Portland right now imo. They just lost Oden for the year -- rather than scrap the rest of the season, I think they could maintain a high level of play if they got David Lee and put him at the 4 alongside LaMarcus Aldridge who they could shift over to the 5. I think that would work real well and they might not miss a beat.. And Nate, who's from the area and a close friend of Brandon Roy, would do a good job there and offer up some production playing behind Roy at the 2 (R. Fernandez just went down with a bad back and is expected to miss 6 weeks or more after undergoing back surgery).

I'd been fine with Bayless and Rudy, even a hurt Rudy, for those two. To me, at least we'd be getting two nice young players for the future with this move that we can continue to build with. Who knows how Rudy Fernandez will be post back surgery but I think I'd be willing to take that chance - that's how much I like him and how good a fit I think he'd be here playing under D'Antoni...As for the Blazers, they too would get two younger guys who will help them maintain a competitive level of play out there (Pritchard's really gotta do something here - how can he just throw in the towel now with 60 games to go and not look to make a move to bolster the team? If he does nothing, what kind of message does that send Brandon Roy??).. Making the playoffs is something that should appeal to both Lee and Nate now, they're not rookies anymore... Lee will cost them some coin but I think he's worth it and I also think they'd be willing to give him the money (unlike the Knicks, it makes a lot more sense for the Blazers to add that type of salary right now -- that team's much closer to doing some good things then we are). And who knows, maybe Lee softens up as far as his demand for a starting role goes (supposedly, talks with Portland went nowhere this off-season as Lee dismissed the Blazers pretty much on the spot because they couldn't offer him a starting role. Well if he went there and played well now, who's to say he wouldn't start next season over Oden? Still, who really cares? He shouldn't really care that much about that stuff...As long as he got the type of money he wants, 30-35+ mins. a night and the team was winning, who really cares if you're a starter or the first big man off the bench??)..Kevin Pritchard's been interested in David Lee for some time now... I think we could get something done with the Blazers if both Lee and Nate agreed to go there - Walsh really needs to find that out. If they refused to go to Portland, Donnie really needs to ask each guy for a list of destinations they'd consider going to, this way if the time came where he considers moving them, he'll basically know who to call and who not to...But for Jordan Hill? Nah. I'll have to pass. Too much promise at too good a price to just give up on right now....

I wonder of Port Ny would do Bayless for Hill?

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