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djsunyc
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12/6/2009  12:40 PM
nyk4ever wrote:Portland wanted Lee BEFORE Oden got hurt, I'm sure now they are willing to overpay for him. Get me Rudy Fernandez.

rudy fernandez is nowhere close to david lee. 3 rudy fernandez' is nowhere close to david lee.

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12/6/2009  12:45 PM
djsunyc wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:Portland wanted Lee BEFORE Oden got hurt, I'm sure now they are willing to overpay for him. Get me Rudy Fernandez.

rudy fernandez is nowhere close to david lee. 3 rudy fernandez' is nowhere close to david lee.

i really don't understand the fernandez lovefest. is it because he can dunk?

the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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12/6/2009  12:46 PM
djsunyc wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:Portland wanted Lee BEFORE Oden got hurt, I'm sure now they are willing to overpay for him. Get me Rudy Fernandez.

rudy fernandez is nowhere close to david lee. 3 rudy fernandez' is nowhere close to david lee.

4 Andrea Bargnani's are nowhere close to David Lee.

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12/6/2009  12:47 PM
that ain't cool bro...that cuts deep to the bone...
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12/6/2009  12:50 PM
sorry bro.. buy me a beer tomorrow and we'll forget it
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12/6/2009  1:02 PM
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JohnWallace44 wrote:Jeffries and Chandler for Batum and Miller. Gives the Knicks a couple of long term pieces that might be a better fit than JJ and Wilson and has essentially no impact on the cap.

miller is 30 something and eats up too much cap, batum is still raw. walsh gives up chandler bayless better be returning

Miller does eat up too much cap, but we are going to have to pay for a pg. The guy would really excel in this system. We would just need to get rid of Jeffries contact. Maybe Jeffries and ? For Miller and ?. Point is, if Douglas is not going to the pg, then we have to pay for one.

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12/6/2009  1:12 PM
earthmansurfer wrote:
McK1 wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:Jeffries and Chandler for Batum and Miller. Gives the Knicks a couple of long term pieces that might be a better fit than JJ and Wilson and has essentially no impact on the cap.

miller is 30 something and eats up too much cap, batum is still raw. walsh gives up chandler bayless better be returning

Miller does eat up too much cap, but we are going to have to pay for a pg. The guy would really excel in this system. We would just need to get rid of Jeffries contact. Maybe Jeffries and ? For Miller and ?. Point is, if Douglas is not going to the pg, then we have to pay for one.

I understand having to pay for one but there are other younger options besides miller

the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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12/6/2009  1:14 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/6/2009  1:14 PM
McK1 wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
McK1 wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:Jeffries and Chandler for Batum and Miller. Gives the Knicks a couple of long term pieces that might be a better fit than JJ and Wilson and has essentially no impact on the cap.

miller is 30 something and eats up too much cap, batum is still raw. walsh gives up chandler bayless better be returning

Miller does eat up too much cap, but we are going to have to pay for a pg. The guy would really excel in this system. We would just need to get rid of Jeffries contact. Maybe Jeffries and ? For Miller and ?. Point is, if Douglas is not going to the pg, then we have to pay for one.

I understand having to pay for one but there are other younger options besides miller

Definitely. Miller is maybe someone you add if your team is already established, but I wouldn't start a team with him, which is, in effect, what we are doing next summer.

WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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12/6/2009  1:19 PM
The better question is what can we offer Charlotte for DJ Augustin? He isn't playing anymore. It's another one of those Larry Brown things. We should try and pry him away from there for Lee an maybe try to throw Jeffries at them too.
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12/6/2009  1:24 PM
AbrahamLincoln wrote:The better question is what can we offer Charlotte for DJ Augustin? He isn't playing anymore. It's another one of those Larry Brown things. We should try and pry him away from there for Lee an maybe try to throw Jeffries at them too.

Ohhh, it's Honest Abe...

That sounds realistic and a much better option. You gotta always keep an eye on Larry and the players he casts off; it's like a bargain bin, picking through his dog house.

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12/6/2009  2:29 PM
augustin sits cuz he sucks
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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12/6/2009  2:31 PM
McK1 wrote:augustin sits cuz he sucks

Fantastic analysis.

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12/6/2009  2:54 PM
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djsunyc wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:Portland wanted Lee BEFORE Oden got hurt, I'm sure now they are willing to overpay for him. Get me Rudy Fernandez.

rudy fernandez is nowhere close to david lee. 3 rudy fernandez' is nowhere close to david lee.

i really don't understand the fernandez lovefest. is it because he can dunk?

perhaps the stiffness of his legs

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12/6/2009  3:21 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/6/2009  8:27 PM
For Lee, I'd insist on Rudy Fernandez + either Jerryd Bayless or their 2010 1st rounder -- along with whatever else they'd have to include to make it work salary-wise. If Kevin Pritchard thinks he could get him for anything less, just hang up the damn phone on him. We're not giving you Lee for nothing Pritch. You're the one whose starting center just went down for the year...Bottom line, I could work with that package. Is Lee worth more face value? Yeah he probably is -- dude's putting up almost 20 & 10, but for a player that may bolt at the end of the year FOR NOTHING, that's ample value considering. No way I could accept losing Lee for nothing and I agree with some of the recent speculation that he may be playing himself right out of our price range..To me, Bayless is a bigtime young talent that's just buried out there (he's been buried right from the start and they even went out of their way to draft Paddy Mills late when they really didn't have to - there seems to be no plan at all to develop this guy into a PG right now) and I feel Rudy's a damn good 2-guard with size & good skills. Rudy plays more than Bayless but he's behind other players on that team as well when they're healthy, starting with Brandon Roy. You give Rudy a starting role and 30-35+ mins. a night and I think he'd flourish. He'd handle the ball and he'd score you points, esp. from the perimeter (guy's a dynamite shooter with one of the quickest releases I've ever seen). Pretty damn good athlete as well...I guarantee you LeBron or Bosh would LOVE to play with a Rudy Fernandez...

If Oden really is done for the year, they really wouldn't lose too much if they added Lee as a replacement right now and went with Aldridge at the 5 and Lee at the 4. Along with some of the other solid components they already have, they'd still be a dangerous team. With their current situation Lee's a perfect fit for them...Right now that team's 13-8 and still right in the thick of the playoff hunt out west. Getting Lee (a player they've always coveted anyway even when Oden was healthy) would keep them on that level. But they're kidding themselves if they think they can maintain that level of play with Prizbilla taking over Oden's role fulltime. So what's it gonna be Kevin Pritchard? You wanna pony up a fair amount to make this deal work or you still wanna tell us Bayless and Fernandez are untouchable?? Donnie would do this deal if he got Rudy Fernandez, we know that from all the off-season rumors...Just have to get Lee to agree to the deal. I think he might but who knows? Like I said the other day, if I'm Donnie, I'd sit Lee and Nate down man to man and explain to them how I might have to start remodeling this team a little earlier than first expected, and ask them for their thoughts on possibly being traded. If they said they didn't have a problem with it, I'd ask them both to supply a list of teams they would approve a trade to go play for. Hopefully Portland would be one of those teams. I think Portland's a nice opportunity for Lee. Pretty successful team with a dynamite 2nd all-NBA player in Brandon Roy. Lee gets his wish for a starting role right away and on a winning team with a superstar -- much different situation than what he's dealing with over here. Plus, it's gotta be flattering to know that a specific team has wanted you for a long time now..With Lee in for Oden, I still think they'd be a lock for the playoffs. Playoff/winning basketball should be something that's on Lee's mind now. As part of a larger deal, I'd also be willing to give Portland anything else they wanted to make it work for them except Gallo, Hill and Douglas. They want Nate, Chandler, Harrington, Darko, Jeffries, Curry, maybe 1 of our 2nd rounders, whatever...as long as it's within reason, I'm open to it. As someone else already mentioned, Nate's from the area and is good friends with Roy. Not sure how tight he is with Martell Webster (I've heard conflicting stuff) but they're all young Seattle guys that grew up together. Getting Nate may even make it easier for Portland to part with Fernandez possibly..With the way MDA's treating Nate right now, I think he'd approve a trade to go home and play for Portland in a heartbeat. Maybe that's part of Mike's strategy here -- piss Nate off so much that he'll agree to a trade. Not a very professional way to go about moving the little fella if you ask me but who the hell knows what's going on in coach's mind right now..

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12/8/2009  9:59 AM
From the looks of it, Rudy is still suffering from that cheap shot Ariza made on him last year. Sounds alot like Gallo's back problem last year.

As much as I love how Rudy plays, not sure I'm willing to send out a major piece like Lee for another young player with a bad back...

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/63269/20091208/fernandez_seeking_second_opinion_on_back/

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12/8/2009  3:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/8/2009  3:24 PM
Wow, Oden is out. Now Rudy is getting back surgery and Bayless has requested a trade. (From Real GM)
Pick up the phones Walsh.

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http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/63286/20091208/rudy_will_have_back_surgery/

Rudy Fernandez will undergo a surgical procedure on Tuesday to relieve pressure on a nerve root in his back. The procedure is known as a microdiscectomy.

Fernandez has been suffering from a sciatic condition which is causing pain in his right leg.

Details of the recovery timetable will be released after the surgery is completed.

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/63283/20091208/bayless_wants_portland_to_deal_him/

Multiple sources told Dwight Jaynes over the weekend that Trail Blazers guard Jerryd Bayless has asked the team to trade him.

Portland might need another big man following Greg Oden's season-ending knee injury and Bayless might be the type of player that can get them one.

However, Jaynes points out that Blazers general manager Kevin Pritchard is usually adverse to in-season trades.

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12/8/2009  3:27 PM
Bayless for Chandler if it were up to me.
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12/8/2009  4:16 PM
Bayless for Chandler would be sweet. But Chandler is signed next season, and Lee isn't. Since they covet Lee, I'd like to see if we can get max value for him now before he leaves as an UFA. I would rather give them JJ and N8 in a workable deal, JJ to cut salary, N8 to send him packing before he bolts for nothing.
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12/8/2009  4:31 PM
i don't think i'd give up Chandler for Bayless to tell u the truth... if we can get Bayless as part of a package for Nate, then that's ideal.
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