JohnWallace44 wrote:He's such a talent. Its one thing to watch a washed up Marbury get benched, but Nate is in his prime and he's ruining his own career. It's shocking that he doesn't see the light at the end of the tunnel. Must have some crappy people around him.

Marbury was Nate's mentor... 'nuff said.

TMS wrote:we gotta trade Nate soon, or play him... can't have this guy on the bench for the rest of the season, he's too good a player... last night in the 4th quarter during a timeout Nate wasn't even close to the huddle while MDA was drawing up a play, he was completely disinterested cuz he knew he wasn't getting into the game... i mean, come on, we're playing Marcus Landry over Nate? that's ridiculous... i understand trying to teach Nate a lesson, but this is not kindergarten where u get sent to stand in the corner for the rest of the day while the class does arts & crafts... if u wanna send Nate to the Principal's office for a talk w/Donnie Walsh, fine... do that... maybe u can work out a trade that will benefit all parties involved... Nate obviously is not MDA's favorite player, & he does deserve to see minutes someplace... if not here, then someplace else... if Nate is as much of an immature distraction as this then it's best we get rid of him than hope he'll learn some kind of lesson from this prolonged benching... u don't wanna continue this vicious cycle of having our young guys learning how to conduct themselves from knuckleheaded vets... either play him or trade him.

you used the exact opposite argument with JJ. Different players obviously, but same objective.

MDA rightly played TD. Nate gotta be able to defend and act like a professional if he wants playing time. I like the strategy with him.

Knicks took good care of the Nate. The QO is not shabby and gave the kid, who had NO OTHER OFFERS other than take his MIME act to europe (maybe). Other GM's know Nates act and what it would take to straighen him out, or not.

Nate is an expiring. Nate was a 23 pick who might not pan out. No great loss, picks blow out all the time. The kid is a mental midget. I think he will likely learn but maybe its time for him to get a new team.

HE'll never be a starter in the NBA can't run the pg position

McK1 wrote:might be the best thing that could've happened to Nate. the last guy shut down ended up on a play-off roster while the Knix ended up in the lottery. Good chance history repeats itself and I finally get to see Nate in a play-off series. Could care less about his pre game antics or preening during them, Nate has the talent to make a 7 game series very memorable the same way Ben and Ray did last year.

dunno whichnba most of you have been watching but Nate's career is far from over. Somebody will acquire him on the cheap like the Nuggets did JR Smith (lol at the Hornets and Bulls now trying to get by with 30 plus minutes of Devin Brown and John Salmons at the 2) and reap the rewards.

Papabear Says

I agree.

djsunyc wrote:instead of trying to work with nate's behavior - which is the same as last year, they play guys that aren't as good. so yes, it's obvious that winning is the #1 priority for the coaching staff.

You can't say that they haven't tried to work on his behavior. Three different coaches have tried. That ship has sailed..he's had ample opportunity, but he just refuses to or is incapable of understanding this. And it's sometimes "addition by subtraction", best way to describe it.

djsunyc wrote:instead of trying to work with nate's behavior - which is the same as last year, they play guys that aren't as good. so yes, it's obvious that winning is the #1 priority for the coaching staff.

i hear you, but i think as a manager and...yes with such pressures...you have less room for players that need A LOT of development (hence why hill also still sits, vs. douglas.

nate has "worked with" under mda since last year. what significant changes have we seen?

enough to warrant him playing other than for fans who like his amazing athleticism and ability to do show-stopping moves from time to time?

not to me, and i have been a strong supporter of "working with" folks, if it guides them towards what is needed. we just don't see that with nate at this point.

mda's approach is a good example of what the literature states about educators holding students to high expectations, while also giving nate his chances.

do i want to see nate succeed...absolutely, but i have been concerned for a while about the mistakes we see him make on the floor on a consistent basis.

at some point you need to learn to change those things to be a really good player.

has he done that?

it sucks given how much some of us like him, and see "potential" but like curry, at what point does it become potential vs. reality.

maybe nate changes, but right now we don't have that kind of luxury.

nate isn't as divisive in terms of overtly undermining the team, but what he can do subtly does so.

i've seen it in my own managerial experience, in terms of subtle behavior by workers that causes issues, yet can be tolerated if the person demonstrates success enough overall for the team that it can be accepted...basically, you have to account for many factors.

nate had more slack when he was younger, but after a few years in the league, where is the maturity and change in areas that would really negate the criticisms of his game?

you don't have to be marbury to be a problem to one's team.

again, nate can overcome this, i believe, if he is able to either find a way to make the changes in himself, or perhaps in a different environment.

i dunno, but while nate can be a dynamic player on offense, where he hurts you, and his inconsistency is a problem for a team that needs the opposite.

lee, for example is a crap defender other than when being backed up, but he is so consistent and efficient on offense, as well as on the boards, that you play him. you also don't see him joking around when we're losing.

asset my butt...

everyone knows what nate is right now, and until that changes this does not really change his value much, imho.