BRIGGS wrote:why not offer harrington to wash for mcgee and James--less cap hold+ expiring and we need a 7 footer--wash could use harringtons 20 points and 6 reb off the bench.

because wes unseld isnt the gm for the blizzards anymore. he would trade young for old, i dont see ernie doing that. if you have doubts on hill, do you really want another project big man?

TheGame wrote:Thomas sucks, but moving Harrington will allow Gallo amd Hill to expand their games, so I am for it.

yea, when i read that harrington is involved, i got so happy. mark my words, UK, if harrington is moved, the knicks will have a much better record without him and gallo will blossom. everyone will play better. and tyrus seems like a good risk to take. he won't dominate the ball like al, but he will swat shots maybe. i say do it, shake it up donnie shake it up!

joec32033 wrote:That $13 mil cap hold for him is killer. After all the 2010 stuff you are gonna trade an expiring for this player at this salary?

Damn. How about Capt. Kirk being included in this if we are gonna go that route. Curry, Harrington, Wil for Kirk, Ty, and Jerome?

well, we don't have to take his next year. so is like expiring almost. but if he explode here and prove himself awesome, then is worth it. so is almost win win

Color me confused

franco12 wrote:Wait- MDA likes Tyrus, but won't play Jordan Hill?

Color me confused

I think Ty is more like KMart -a defensive big who can run-while he must see Jordan as a Chris Wilcox type. A more offensive oriented big.

And if that is not how he sees them it's at least how I see them.

earthmansurfer wrote:

joec32033 wrote:That $13 mil cap hold for him is killer. After all the 2010 stuff you are gonna trade an expiring for this player at this salary?

Damn. How about Capt. Kirk being included in this if we are gonna go that route. Curry, Harrington, Wil for Kirk, Ty, and Jerome?

It's only a 13 million cap hold if you don't resign him. So, if you resign him starting at 6 million, then that is his cap hold. So, resign him but we have to hope to be able to get rid of Jeffries and or Curry, otherwise we have to renounce his rights because of the cap hold.

While I see your point I just consider this type of trade a waste of Harrington's trade value.

from what i understand caphold relates to how much money a player's salary counts against the cap regardless of whether you sign him or not.

that's how cap space for the summer free-agent period is calculated.

the only argument that would make sense to me would be that you have to sign your rookie scale contract free-agents first, to adjust caphold, which seems to be what you are saying (i.e. re-sign thomas to the qualifying offer early, then he only counts as $6.25 mil).

however, it would seem pretty strange to have a system that uses the larger caphold penalty for rookie scale free-agents -- which seems to be a mechanism for encouraging teams to re-sign their own players on rookie scale deals rather than just let them walk -- to be manipulated by just signing them before all other free-agents.

in other words, i am gathering thomas' deal will take away $13 mil from the knicks' ability to sign free-agents regardless of whether we potentially re-sign him or not.

maybe someone can correct me if i am wrong...

joec32033 wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

joec32033 wrote:That $13 mil cap hold for him is killer. After all the 2010 stuff you are gonna trade an expiring for this player at this salary?

Damn. How about Capt. Kirk being included in this if we are gonna go that route. Curry, Harrington, Wil for Kirk, Ty, and Jerome?

well, we don't have to take his next year. so is like expiring almost. but if he explode here and prove himself awesome, then is worth it. so is almost win win

The best we can do for Harrington is Ty Thomas? If I am Walsh I am holding onto Harrington until the deadline see if you can package him either to get a big name player or to package with Curry (maybe for TMac?).

If I am Donnie I am offering Chander and Jefferies for Ty and whatever expirings fit.

maybe hard to believe, but if ty thomas is best we can do for harrington, i think that is VERY good. al harrington can drop buckets, be has no value to anyone in the league outside of playing some spot minutes off the bench. guy is no good, he try to dominate our team but he is not a dominant player. he very weak, very bad teammate.

there are winners and then there are losers. al harrington, points per game aside, is a loser.

ty thomas doesn't come with this al harrington mentality, so he be better fit on our team, and the other players blossom. al harrington would NOT be here come 2010 anyway, so we cash in, even if you think it's just for 'peanuts'.

Lebron isn't coming to NY
Wade is staying in Miami and Bosh will joi n him down there
he knows Joe Johnson isn't a max player
and after seeing Stat live, Walsh realizes he isn't worth what it'll cost to sign him either.

Great job Walsh now get Ellis and Tyrus.