franco12 wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

McK1 wrote:SMH I was being fecetious when I said it. how can anyone defend foni for guarding Howard with Lere Chandler when Darko and his 7 ft 260 6 fouls having frame is collecting dust?

It's cool dude, no worries.

I agree Darko would have definitely helped, but who knows why he's in the doghouse. I mean things like that you can't really question since Darko could be in there for a variety of reasons.

Agreed. Someone mentioned that during halftime warmups Darko was just standing there not doing anything. Now I have no idea if this is true. But if it is, and this is a pattern of sulking with him then I can understand why he's benched.

Coach DAntoni: [as Darko gets up to check in the game after he sees Howard dunk on Lee for the 5th time] Where are you going?
Coach D'Antoni: [Darko, puzzled, looks at him] Sit down.
Darko: You gotta have a center out there!
Coach D'Antoni: Sit... down!
Referee: You need a center coach
Coach D'Antoni: My team's on the floor!

Why bench someone because maybe he gets discouraged? Isn't a coach supposed to manage different personalities? Not everyone is Michael Jordan.

He's sulking, probably, because he's done everything asked of him, but still sits and has no feedback from D'Antoni that he will ever play again.

Coach doesn't have enough bodies on this team that he can afford to lose anyone. Sorry.

This has happened to Darko at how many stops???? If it continues to happen to a player it's probably something the player is doing. We are all making assumptions at this point and have no idea. But the evidence does not point in Darko's favor.

As for the pouting. When I coached I did not play babies that pout. These types of players don't help you win. What they tend to do is pout when they don't get their way on the court as well. I will however gladly play a player who feels slighted and dives through a brick wall to show me how stupid I am for not playing him. It may not be on his time frame, but coaches do notice and long-term effort does pay off.

franco12 wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

McK1 wrote:SMH I was being fecetious when I said it. how can anyone defend foni for guarding Howard with Lere Chandler when Darko and his 7 ft 260 6 fouls having frame is collecting dust?

It's cool dude, no worries.

I agree Darko would have definitely helped, but who knows why he's in the doghouse. I mean things like that you can't really question since Darko could be in there for a variety of reasons.

Agreed. Someone mentioned that during halftime warmups Darko was just standing there not doing anything. Now I have no idea if this is true. But if it is, and this is a pattern of sulking with him then I can understand why he's benched.

Coach DAntoni: [as Darko gets up to check in the game after he sees Howard dunk on Lee for the 5th time] Where are you going?
Coach D'Antoni: [Darko, puzzled, looks at him] Sit down.
Darko: You gotta have a center out there!
Coach D'Antoni: Sit... down!
Referee: You need a center coach
Coach D'Antoni: My team's on the floor!

Why bench someone because maybe he gets discouraged? Isn't a coach supposed to manage different personalities? Not everyone is Michael Jordan.

He's sulking, probably, because he's done everything asked of him, but still sits and has no feedback from D'Antoni that he will ever play again.

Coach doesn't have enough bodies on this team that he can afford to lose anyone. Sorry.

This has happened to Darko at how many stops???? If it continues to happen to a player it's probably something the player is doing. We are all making assumptions at this point and have no idea. But the evidence does not point in Darko's favor.

Exactly which stops are you focusing on? Detroit where Dumars picked him 2nd and he was buried on a veteren team and had no chance to develop?

Orlando and Memphis? Where he seems to have made out ok?

"The NBA for me is not the way that I want to be,'' said Milicic, averaging 2.0 points and 8.9 minutes while having been benched for eight of the Knicks' 16 games, before not playing in his team's 128-125 loss to Denver at the Pepsi Center. "Looking forward, the stuff that I'm looking for is for me to play and for to me enjoy playing. I think right now the only spot for me is Europe.

"Because growing up and playing basketball, I needed the ball in my hands. I used to create for myself and I used to create for others. I used to play a lot. That's the kind of stuff I'm looking for. And for me to get that in the NBA right now, I don't think so. And I've got to be real.''

You think this mindset comes from the 16 games he's played with the Knicks? or has this been brewing for a while now? And if he has been happy the past few years and the last 16 games have made him think of throwing in the towel and going to Europe what does that say about him? NOw I have no idea what the guy does in practice. He may go through a brick wall for D'antoni. Regardless there is something he is not doing, or else he would be playing.

markvmc wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:Dear players and fans: The team has won 23, 33, 23 and 32 games with this same general core. Now I'm no math major but I think that works out to be about 6 wins per season over the past 4 seasons.

Damn straight you're no math major.

Sorry, 7 wins a year. You are a nitpicker.

Bippity10 wrote:

markvmc wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:Dear players and fans: The team has won 23, 33, 23 and 32 games with this same general core. Now I'm no math major but I think that works out to be about 6 wins per season over the past 4 seasons.

Damn straight you're no math major.

Sorry, 7 wins a year. You are a nitpicker.

I do like to pick nits, it's true.

franco12 wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

McK1 wrote:SMH I was being fecetious when I said it. how can anyone defend foni for guarding Howard with Lere Chandler when Darko and his 7 ft 260 6 fouls having frame is collecting dust?

It's cool dude, no worries.

I agree Darko would have definitely helped, but who knows why he's in the doghouse. I mean things like that you can't really question since Darko could be in there for a variety of reasons.

Agreed. Someone mentioned that during halftime warmups Darko was just standing there not doing anything. Now I have no idea if this is true. But if it is, and this is a pattern of sulking with him then I can understand why he's benched.

Coach DAntoni: [as Darko gets up to check in the game after he sees Howard dunk on Lee for the 5th time] Where are you going?
Coach D'Antoni: [Darko, puzzled, looks at him] Sit down.
Darko: You gotta have a center out there!
Coach D'Antoni: Sit... down!
Referee: You need a center coach
Coach D'Antoni: My team's on the floor!

Why bench someone because maybe he gets discouraged? Isn't a coach supposed to manage different personalities? Not everyone is Michael Jordan.

He's sulking, probably, because he's done everything asked of him, but still sits and has no feedback from D'Antoni that he will ever play again.

Coach doesn't have enough bodies on this team that he can afford to lose anyone. Sorry.

This has happened to Darko at how many stops???? If it continues to happen to a player it's probably something the player is doing. We are all making assumptions at this point and have no idea. But the evidence does not point in Darko's favor.

Exactly which stops are you focusing on? Detroit where Dumars picked him 2nd and he was buried on a veteren team and had no chance to develop?

Orlando and Memphis? Where he seems to have made out ok?

"The NBA for me is not the way that I want to be,'' said Milicic, averaging 2.0 points and 8.9 minutes while having been benched for eight of the Knicks' 16 games, before not playing in his team's 128-125 loss to Denver at the Pepsi Center. "Looking forward, the stuff that I'm looking for is for me to play and for to me enjoy playing. I think right now the only spot for me is Europe.

"Because growing up and playing basketball, I needed the ball in my hands. I used to create for myself and I used to create for others. I used to play a lot. That's the kind of stuff I'm looking for. And for me to get that in the NBA right now, I don't think so. And I've got to be real.''

You think this mindset comes from the 16 games he's played with the Knicks? or has this been brewing for a while now? And if he has been happy the past few years and the last 16 games have made him think of throwing in the towel and going to Europe what does that say about him? NOw I have no idea what the guy does in practice. He may go through a brick wall for D'antoni. Regardless there is something he is not doing, or else he would be playing.

Then why the hell is Duhon playing? The man is shooting 20% from the field? What intangibles overcome that?

Look - I greeted MDA with open arms and optimism. I know realize that he has his favorites.

Watching the games, to me. TD should be starting, and Duhon coming off the bench. Hill should be getting minutes, if only because he needs to develop and we need to find out if he can contribute in the future. 2009 is a throwaway year.

If Darko is thus disaffected, we should release him and sign an NBDLer.

But, Walsh and MDA have a very poor record when it comes to recognizing hidden talent- the polar opposite of Isiah.

I thought we were talking about Darko and D'Antoni's situation. Why did this morph into Duhon and Walsh? Duhon is a seperate issue. You actually answered the Duhon question yourself when you said "he has his favorites". Duhon is obviously a favorite and their probably is a reason behind that as well. Coaches do not give up on their favorites quickly.

AGain, I know people hate when I do htis but allow me to go back to my coaching days to illustrate a point. I had a shotblocker that was off the charts good at blocking shots. Every game he sent 2 or 3 shots 8 rows deep. He was a great athlete and I needed him to be successful if my team was going to be successful. Now we designed our D around him. When he was on the court my defense was designed to funnel players along the baseline. Players would start to drive and see him there and turn around. Unfortunately the kid was an airhead. He was never in position. So my perimeter defenders would funnel players baseline and he would not be there to help. They would look like idiots and bad defenders on a regular basis when they were actually doing the right thing and he was in the wrong. So I benched him until he could figure it out. Fans of course thought I was an idiot. They screamed about how I needed a big guy. They called me names for not being able to recognize talent. The called me blind for not being able to see his athletic ability. Ability that I knew I needed. I was an idiot. Finally he got sick of being benched and figured it out. Magically he found himself in position and magically my defense went from a lay up fest with the occasional blocked shot, to a devastating D because as a team we were all on the same page.

The fans of course called me an idiot for not realizing his talent earlier. A lot goes into the benching of a player. As a fan you know 1/100th of it.

TMS wrote:if you're sick of losing, i have an idea... try playing some defense.

these players have no idea how to win, the losing has been ingrained in them ever since they got here... Lee & Nate have been taught to pass the buck instead of being accountable... that's why getting rid of Dinglebury from the get go was so essential but as usual we did it a day late & a dollar short... until the pass the buck type of mentality is washed away completely from this franchise, this is what you're gonna see... guys need to look at themselves in the mirror & determine what THEY can do to help this team win more ballgames, or else they need to STFU... just saying you're sick of losing doesn't mean jack **** unless u take accountability for yourself & do something about it.

Word

b) i disagree with the assessment of the talent level on the roster. the roster isn't as bad as some make it out to be. what is bad game to game:

duhon still starting and getting so much court time
lee being miscast as a 5
 treating al harrington like he is al ducati
galinari having little to no plays ran for him most nights
jeffries is getting more than specialist minutes
douglas being used sparingly
hill getting no minutes

and all these things fall back on

c) dunleavy won a bunch of games with the lakers and blazers. would you hire him to cach new york?

fishmike wrote:

McK1 wrote:a) charlotte is losing.

b) i disagree with the assessment of the talent level on the roster. the roster isn't as bad as some make it out to be. what is bad game to game:

duhon still starting and getting so much court time
lee being miscast as a 5
 treating al harrington like he is al ducati
galinari having little to no plays ran for him most nights
jeffries is getting more than specialist minutes
douglas being used sparingly
hill getting no minutes

and all these things fall back on

c) dunleavy won a bunch of games with the lakers and blazers. would you hire him to cach new york?

how do you know? How do you know Walsh hasnt told MDA to win as many games as he can with the vets so they can explore deadline deals?

Who is best suited to play center over Lee?

Nate

Donnie is gutting the team. Harrington and Hughes are talents but they are cap fodder and gone as seasons end. Donnie tried to get some leadership players but it had to be the right money and what vet wants to do that if winning is not gonna happen. Duhan is not that good but he is not a cancer. Nate is a bumble head and gone, No Sharington is gone, Hughes is gone. Eddy we gonna try to make gone.

I think Darko said he wanted to do some nasty things to MDA's daughter but MDA only has a son. Darko might opt for MDA's son and that **** is just too weird.

Focus on the positive, Gallo is getting some good looks these days and Jordan is not a bust. Things are looking up.

franco12 wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

McK1 wrote:SMH I was being fecetious when I said it. how can anyone defend foni for guarding Howard with Lere Chandler when Darko and his 7 ft 260 6 fouls having frame is collecting dust?

It's cool dude, no worries.

I agree Darko would have definitely helped, but who knows why he's in the doghouse. I mean things like that you can't really question since Darko could be in there for a variety of reasons.

Agreed. Someone mentioned that during halftime warmups Darko was just standing there not doing anything. Now I have no idea if this is true. But if it is, and this is a pattern of sulking with him then I can understand why he's benched.

Coach DAntoni: [as Darko gets up to check in the game after he sees Howard dunk on Lee for the 5th time] Where are you going?
Coach D'Antoni: [Darko, puzzled, looks at him] Sit down.
Darko: You gotta have a center out there!
Coach D'Antoni: Sit... down!
Referee: You need a center coach
Coach D'Antoni: My team's on the floor!

Why bench someone because maybe he gets discouraged? Isn't a coach supposed to manage different personalities? Not everyone is Michael Jordan.

He's sulking, probably, because he's done everything asked of him, but still sits and has no feedback from D'Antoni that he will ever play again.

Coach doesn't have enough bodies on this team that he can afford to lose anyone. Sorry.

This has happened to Darko at how many stops???? If it continues to happen to a player it's probably something the player is doing. We are all making assumptions at this point and have no idea. But the evidence does not point in Darko's favor.

Exactly which stops are you focusing on? Detroit where Dumars picked him 2nd and he was buried on a veteren team and had no chance to develop?

Orlando and Memphis? Where he seems to have made out ok?

"The NBA for me is not the way that I want to be,'' said Milicic, averaging 2.0 points and 8.9 minutes while having been benched for eight of the Knicks' 16 games, before not playing in his team's 128-125 loss to Denver at the Pepsi Center. "Looking forward, the stuff that I'm looking for is for me to play and for to me enjoy playing. I think right now the only spot for me is Europe.

"Because growing up and playing basketball, I needed the ball in my hands. I used to create for myself and I used to create for others. I used to play a lot. That's the kind of stuff I'm looking for. And for me to get that in the NBA right now, I don't think so. And I've got to be real.''

You think this mindset comes from the 16 games he's played with the Knicks? or has this been brewing for a while now? And if he has been happy the past few years and the last 16 games have made him think of throwing in the towel and going to Europe what does that say about him? NOw I have no idea what the guy does in practice. He may go through a brick wall for D'antoni. Regardless there is something he is not doing, or else he would be playing.

Then why the hell is Duhon playing? The man is shooting 20% from the field? What intangibles overcome that?

Look - I greeted MDA with open arms and optimism. I know realize that he has his favorites.

Watching the games, to me. TD should be starting, and Duhon coming off the bench. Hill should be getting minutes, if only because he needs to develop and we need to find out if he can contribute in the future. 2009 is a throwaway year.

If Darko is thus disaffected, we should release him and sign an NBDLer.

But, Walsh and MDA have a very poor record when it comes to recognizing hidden talent- the polar opposite of Isiah.

Franco12 is starting to become one of my favorite posters ^