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11/30/2009  6:21 PM
sorta difficult for a young player to gain confidence & assert himself if his veteran teammates don't have enough confidence in him to even look to get him the ball... or maybe it's not a lack of confidence on his teammates' part, but petty jealousy? either way, he can run around & get open all he wants but unless guys are getting him the ball it's not gonna do anything for his confidence or assertiveness out on the floor.
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11/30/2009  6:30 PM
That maybe true TMS, but as long as he's playing in this system, dont expect much play calling for him or anyone else.
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11/30/2009  6:30 PM
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kam77 wrote:They must be scared of Gallo getting hurt this year so they have him as a stationary figure at the three-pt line. I'd like to see more of a mid-range game from Gallo but they won't even post him up they're so scared with his back.

just curious.. you know this because?

It's only my opinion. It looks like they are not trying to do anything to jeopardize LBJ coming. So keeping Gallo away from the paint as injury precaution makes sense.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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11/30/2009  6:52 PM
If Duhon was doing his job he'd be making sure to include Gallo. As I said if i'm on the court and I know who my real ballers are, I make sure to involve them in as many plays as possible. It's on the PG to call the play and to set up his teammates for success. All he need do is call Gallo over to set a pick and all of a sudden you have the guy more engaged and active. The plays aren't set up to have Gallo just freelancing and making cuts. His role on the weakside is to keep the floor spaced. This is why I said that Duhon or when the ball is swung to Hughes or Nate, they have to involve Gallo instead of just looking for their own offense going one on one. Their reluctance to run anything but one on one when they get the ball is a big part of the problem.

How many years do you have to play ball before you know how to call for a pick to get you open and then either get open and score or make the pass if you're covered? If you watch the tapes you'll notice how often the Knick players put their heads down and just start going one on one and only if they get cut off do they start to look around and since Gallo is on the weakside he just won't see the ball cuz they won't be able to look up and see him fast enough. Instead they make a pass to someone closer who just happens to be near. Not good basketball.

None of these guys has court vision good enough to be able to make a last second pass to Gallo all the way on he weakside away from the action. Now he could try to move over but then he'd be bunching up with another player on the perimeter. The point guard has to at least recognize when it's time to change things up and bring his bigs out to set picks. He could easily call over to Gall instead of Lee and run the same play.

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11/30/2009  6:53 PM
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kam77 wrote:They must be scared of Gallo getting hurt this year so they have him as a stationary figure at the three-pt line. I'd like to see more of a mid-range game from Gallo but they won't even post him up they're so scared with his back.

just curious.. you know this because?

It's only my opinion. It looks like they are not trying to do anything to jeopardize LBJ coming. So keeping Gallo away from the paint as injury precaution makes sense.

You gotta be kidding me..listen to MDA's assesment of gallo, they just dont feel like he's totally ready.

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11/30/2009  7:01 PM
nixluva wrote:If Duhon was doing his job he'd be making sure to include Gallo. As I said if i'm on the court and I know who my real ballers are, I make sure to involve them in as many plays as possible. It's on the PG to call the play and to set up his teammates for success. All he need do is call Gallo over to set a pick and all of a sudden you have the guy more engaged and active. The plays aren't set up to have Gallo just freelancing and making cuts. His role on the weakside is to keep the floor spaced. This is why I said that Duhon or when the ball is swung to Hughes or Nate, they have to involve Gallo instead of just looking for their own offense going one on one. Their reluctance to run anything but one on one when they get the ball is a big part of the problem.

How many years do you have to play ball before you know how to call for a pick to get you open and then either get open and score or make the pass if you're covered? If you watch the tapes you'll notice how often the Knick players put their heads down and just start going one on one and only if they get cut off do they start to look around and since Gallo is on the weakside he just won't see the ball cuz they won't be able to look up and see him fast enough. Instead they make a pass to someone closer who just happens to be near. Not good basketball.

None of these guys has court vision good enough to be able to make a last second pass to Gallo all the way on he weakside away from the action. Now he could try to move over but then he'd be bunching up with another player on the perimeter. The point guard has to at least recognize when it's time to change things up and bring his bigs out to set picks. He could easily call over to Gall instead of Lee and run the same play.


Exaclty, so many times i here coaches asking there guards what should we run, It's always the PG's fualt for not getting players involve

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11/30/2009  7:16 PM
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nixluva wrote:If Duhon was doing his job he'd be making sure to include Gallo. As I said if i'm on the court and I know who my real ballers are, I make sure to involve them in as many plays as possible. It's on the PG to call the play and to set up his teammates for success. All he need do is call Gallo over to set a pick and all of a sudden you have the guy more engaged and active. The plays aren't set up to have Gallo just freelancing and making cuts. His role on the weakside is to keep the floor spaced. This is why I said that Duhon or when the ball is swung to Hughes or Nate, they have to involve Gallo instead of just looking for their own offense going one on one. Their reluctance to run anything but one on one when they get the ball is a big part of the problem.

How many years do you have to play ball before you know how to call for a pick to get you open and then either get open and score or make the pass if you're covered? If you watch the tapes you'll notice how often the Knick players put their heads down and just start going one on one and only if they get cut off do they start to look around and since Gallo is on the weakside he just won't see the ball cuz they won't be able to look up and see him fast enough. Instead they make a pass to someone closer who just happens to be near. Not good basketball.

None of these guys has court vision good enough to be able to make a last second pass to Gallo all the way on he weakside away from the action. Now he could try to move over but then he'd be bunching up with another player on the perimeter. The point guard has to at least recognize when it's time to change things up and bring his bigs out to set picks. He could easily call over to Gall instead of Lee and run the same play.


Exaclty, so many times i here coaches asking there guards what should we run, It's always the PG's fualt for not getting players involve

Like a QB who gets a play from the sideline, PG's have to make adjustments based on what the D gives you. Duhon's default is to run Pick N Roll with Lee cuz it's easy and doesn't require any thought, leadership or guts from Duhon. A winning PG, will realize that the freedom MDA gives you can be used to get everyone involved and to build more team 1st mentality from everyone. How does a team feel when the QB only looks for the Tightend cuz it's easy? The great ones spread it around and help to direct the guys to spots where they're gonna be open.

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11/30/2009  8:08 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
kam77 wrote:
tkf wrote:
kam77 wrote:They must be scared of Gallo getting hurt this year so they have him as a stationary figure at the three-pt line. I'd like to see more of a mid-range game from Gallo but they won't even post him up they're so scared with his back.

just curious.. you know this because?

It's only my opinion. It looks like they are not trying to do anything to jeopardize LBJ coming. So keeping Gallo away from the paint as injury precaution makes sense.

You gotta be kidding me..listen to MDA's assesment of gallo, they just dont feel like he's totally ready.

I said it was just my opinion ... and i don't take MDA's words at face value. I prefer to read between the lines. Coaches never speak in the most unflatteringly honest truths. They'll tell you a bunch of half-truths that you gotta interpret for yourself. IMO Walsh told D'antoni to keep Gallo out of the paint so he doesn't get hurt again.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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11/30/2009  8:11 PM
kam77 wrote:
tkf wrote:
kam77 wrote:They must be scared of Gallo getting hurt this year so they have him as a stationary figure at the three-pt line. I'd like to see more of a mid-range game from Gallo but they won't even post him up they're so scared with his back.

just curious.. you know this because?

It's only my opinion. It looks like they are not trying to do anything to jeopardize LBJ coming. So keeping Gallo away from the paint as injury precaution makes sense.

oh, my bad, it just sounded as if you knew this for sure.. I was just wondering where you got your info from.. cool.. I understand..

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11/30/2009  8:32 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/30/2009  8:34 PM
Martice wrote:I think Gallo can do more to free himself up than waiting for set plays. In addition, none of his teammates seem to have a problem taking the initiative to get themselves free. Gallo running off screens is a wonderful visual but he really doesn't look mobile at all. He seems to labor at times when running. Also, he has no lift when he shoots and he appears to need to set his feet before he shoots which suggests that he needs to be positioned some place like above the arc to get a good shot off.

All of these excuses for Gallo not getting more shots is hilarious!!! Although some of the reasons given may hold some truth at some point you have to look at the player and how tentative he looks when he is doing anything on offense besides taking a set shot.

Basketball I.Q., unselfishness and a deadly set shot means very little if the player lacks confidence and fails to assert himself.

Most want to believe that he isn't still injured. When you watch him run up and down the court he runs like a guy that has a bad back or stiff legs. At 21 yrs of age he's already doing what 25 yr old steve nash does, lay on his back on the sidelines when not in the game. Since we all know that he just got over back surgery it's quite safe to say the reason gallo mainly stays stationery in corners or on the perimitter is because THE INJURY IS PERMANANT !

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11/30/2009  9:03 PM
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Martice wrote:I think Gallo can do more to free himself up than waiting for set plays. In addition, none of his teammates seem to have a problem taking the initiative to get themselves free. Gallo running off screens is a wonderful visual but he really doesn't look mobile at all. He seems to labor at times when running. Also, he has no lift when he shoots and he appears to need to set his feet before he shoots which suggests that he needs to be positioned some place like above the arc to get a good shot off.

All of these excuses for Gallo not getting more shots is hilarious!!! Although some of the reasons given may hold some truth at some point you have to look at the player and how tentative he looks when he is doing anything on offense besides taking a set shot.

Basketball I.Q., unselfishness and a deadly set shot means very little if the player lacks confidence and fails to assert himself.

Most want to believe that he isn't still injured. When you watch him run up and down the court he runs like a guy that has a bad back or stiff legs. At 21 yrs of age he's already doing what 25 yr old steve nash does, lay on his back on the sidelines when not in the game. Since we all know that he just got over back surgery it's quite safe to say the reason gallo mainly stays stationery in corners or on the perimitter is because THE INJURY IS PERMANANT !

35 year old nash*, but I agree. I say same thing many weeks ago, mr. paladin blast me to pieces needlessly.

injury IS permanent. to me, question becomes-- how successful will gallo be in learning to play around his injury? if he gets good at this, and i think he is talented and young enough to adjust his skillz to this injury, then he ok. he will never be 100% of what he could have been, but the reservoir is so deep on kid that he can have very good career playing around that injury.

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11/30/2009  9:45 PM
The injury may be permanent, or it may be something that heals. Unless you have read his MRIs, how would you know? I hope his stiffness doesn't limit his growth too much. He is playing very well, and appears headed for great things in the NBA. His being careful/cautious could very well be a sign of his quite mature IQ, and his habits on the sideline may very well be based on guidance from trainers, docs, practitioners of some sort.

He's going to be fine I think. If not, then it's some serious bum luck for the Knicks.

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11/30/2009  10:30 PM
playa2 wrote:
Martice wrote:I think Gallo can do more to free himself up than waiting for set plays. In addition, none of his teammates seem to have a problem taking the initiative to get themselves free. Gallo running off screens is a wonderful visual but he really doesn't look mobile at all. He seems to labor at times when running. Also, he has no lift when he shoots and he appears to need to set his feet before he shoots which suggests that he needs to be positioned some place like above the arc to get a good shot off.

All of these excuses for Gallo not getting more shots is hilarious!!! Although some of the reasons given may hold some truth at some point you have to look at the player and how tentative he looks when he is doing anything on offense besides taking a set shot.

Basketball I.Q., unselfishness and a deadly set shot means very little if the player lacks confidence and fails to assert himself.

Most want to believe that he isn't still injured. When you watch him run up and down the court he runs like a guy that has a bad back or stiff legs. At 21 yrs of age he's already doing what 25 yr old steve nash does, lay on his back on the sidelines when not in the game. Since we all know that he just got over back surgery it's quite safe to say the reason gallo mainly stays stationery in corners or on the perimitter is because THE INJURY IS PERMANANT !

I was thinking the same thing, I really want to see some footage of him playing a couple yrs back, just to be sure my eyes aren't decieving me..cause he sure looks like a human surf board when he shoots.

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11/30/2009  10:44 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/30/2009  10:46 PM
TMS wrote:sorta difficult for a young player to gain confidence & assert himself if his veteran teammates don't have enough confidence in him to even look to get him the ball... or maybe it's not a lack of confidence on his teammates' part, but petty jealousy? either way, he can run around & get open all he wants but unless guys are getting him the ball it's not gonna do anything for his confidence or assertiveness out on the floor.

I see Jarred creating his own shots (although he sucks). I see David Lee creating his own shots (driving to the basket). I see everyone create their own shots. Everyone except Gallo. I just find it hard to believe that a player with the supposed skill set and basketball I.Q. that Gallo has would find it hard to create his own shot. Wasn't he supposed to play point forward according to some of you? Wasn't he supposed to be able to create plays for others? Wasn't he supposed to have this great ball handling ability? Why does he not use it? Unfortunately, Gallo gets rid of the ball so fast it's impossible to tell if he had room to make something happen with the rock or not.

He is still young so I will give him that and I think everyone here should as well. However, I will say that some of the posters tend to get a little carried away with all of the hype surrounding Gallo's potential and to the point of calling him the "Face of the franchise". The only people that could get away with calling Gallo the face of anything at this point is the Marketing Dept. for MSG and we all understand why they would do such a thing.

Until Gallo adjusts to his environment here in NY, he will continue to do what he does best which is shoot from the arc. You can blame his teammates all you want but most of the blame for Gallo not getting more meaningful touches is because of him.

****Message to Gallo. When you get the ball do something with it!!!!!

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11/30/2009  10:50 PM
playa2 wrote:
Martice wrote:I think Gallo can do more to free himself up than waiting for set plays. In addition, none of his teammates seem to have a problem taking the initiative to get themselves free. Gallo running off screens is a wonderful visual but he really doesn't look mobile at all. He seems to labor at times when running. Also, he has no lift when he shoots and he appears to need to set his feet before he shoots which suggests that he needs to be positioned some place like above the arc to get a good shot off.

All of these excuses for Gallo not getting more shots is hilarious!!! Although some of the reasons given may hold some truth at some point you have to look at the player and how tentative he looks when he is doing anything on offense besides taking a set shot.

Basketball I.Q., unselfishness and a deadly set shot means very little if the player lacks confidence and fails to assert himself.

Most want to believe that he isn't still injured. When you watch him run up and down the court he runs like a guy that has a bad back or stiff legs. At 21 yrs of age he's already doing what 25 yr old steve nash does, lay on his back on the sidelines when not in the game. Since we all know that he just got over back surgery it's quite safe to say the reason gallo mainly stays stationery in corners or on the perimitter is because THE INJURY IS PERMANANT !

I hear you Playa. He does look stiff and he tends to labor when he runs up and down the court. However, if this is the case, why start him? If he is indeed hurting, why put him out there to start. What is the objective. Either his injury is not going to get any better than it is or he is being put out there to satisfy the fan faithfuls. Either way, he looks stiff as a board and to run across screens and such might be too much to ask of the big guy.

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11/30/2009  11:17 PM
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playa2 wrote:
Martice wrote:I think Gallo can do more to free himself up than waiting for set plays. In addition, none of his teammates seem to have a problem taking the initiative to get themselves free. Gallo running off screens is a wonderful visual but he really doesn't look mobile at all. He seems to labor at times when running. Also, he has no lift when he shoots and he appears to need to set his feet before he shoots which suggests that he needs to be positioned some place like above the arc to get a good shot off.

All of these excuses for Gallo not getting more shots is hilarious!!! Although some of the reasons given may hold some truth at some point you have to look at the player and how tentative he looks when he is doing anything on offense besides taking a set shot.

Basketball I.Q., unselfishness and a deadly set shot means very little if the player lacks confidence and fails to assert himself.

Most want to believe that he isn't still injured. When you watch him run up and down the court he runs like a guy that has a bad back or stiff legs. At 21 yrs of age he's already doing what 25 yr old steve nash does, lay on his back on the sidelines when not in the game. Since we all know that he just got over back surgery it's quite safe to say the reason gallo mainly stays stationery in corners or on the perimitter is because THE INJURY IS PERMANANT !

35 year old nash*, but I agree. I say same thing many weeks ago, mr. paladin blast me to pieces needlessly.

injury IS permanent. to me, question becomes-- how successful will gallo be in learning to play around his injury? if he gets good at this, and i think he is talented and young enough to adjust his skillz to this injury, then he ok. he will never be 100% of what he could have been, but the reservoir is so deep on kid that he can have very good career playing around that injury.


Yeah- "mr."- very respectful.

The thing is that none of you/us know jack-shyt about the status of his back, or if he is in pain, and to build on ignorance is going to get you nowhere. I get a big laugh when folks watch him make a poor reaction on a play and immediately conclude his back is an issue, when the other guys on our team are doing the same things with good backs.

By the way, if he is so severely injured that he has to stand in the corner all the time and not be involved in the offense, can you tell me what he is doing on defense all the time. This is why you sound like you are completely out of touch sometimes, mr. o- because you cannot cover-up an injury on the defensive end, and although he his not always successful on D, he is always being active. You are being myopic if you focus so much on one aspect of what he is doing on the court and neglect looking at everything else he is does. If his back is as bad as you think, would you expect him to be attempting to block shots like he does or box out when looking for a rebound?

I think he has to be more assertive in getting open, or taking it to the basket. I get frustrated watching him hanging out in the corner when he should be more active, but to neglect the other things he is doing on the court when making a judgment about his back, simply means you are cherry-picking, my friend.

You are more likely to be injured playing D than when playing offense, where players are overly protected against anything physical being done to them. You are more likely to put your back in a vulnerable situation on D, where you are making quick and sudden reactions like twisting and turning, and having to go up quickly to block shots or get rebounds.

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12/1/2009  12:30 AM
Gallo attempted to block a few shots and actually got 2 clean in the Orlando Game! He's getting rebounds too so he's not avoiding contact entirely. I like what Gallo does for the most part. He's the only one NOT taking bad shots all game. He limits it to only a couple a game. He could just call his own number all the time when he gets it, but Really it's on his teammates to play team ball and recognize when they don't have a good shot and give up the ball.

The way this offense is supposed to work, you shouldn't have to do what AL does all the time going one on five just to score. He's often successful, but that's not the point. When he does that he makes it easy on the defense and he messes up the flow of the offense. We just have too many selfish players and things won't change for Gallo until we get some guys that play the game more like he does. He gives it up many times and should get it back, but they NEVER swing it back his way. Why hold it against him cuz he's the only one doing the right thing? How often do you see Gallo just put his head down and force his shot?

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Paladin55 wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:
playa2 wrote:
Martice wrote:I think Gallo can do more to free himself up than waiting for set plays. In addition, none of his teammates seem to have a problem taking the initiative to get themselves free. Gallo running off screens is a wonderful visual but he really doesn't look mobile at all. He seems to labor at times when running. Also, he has no lift when he shoots and he appears to need to set his feet before he shoots which suggests that he needs to be positioned some place like above the arc to get a good shot off.

All of these excuses for Gallo not getting more shots is hilarious!!! Although some of the reasons given may hold some truth at some point you have to look at the player and how tentative he looks when he is doing anything on offense besides taking a set shot.

Basketball I.Q., unselfishness and a deadly set shot means very little if the player lacks confidence and fails to assert himself.

Most want to believe that he isn't still injured. When you watch him run up and down the court he runs like a guy that has a bad back or stiff legs. At 21 yrs of age he's already doing what 25 yr old steve nash does, lay on his back on the sidelines when not in the game. Since we all know that he just got over back surgery it's quite safe to say the reason gallo mainly stays stationery in corners or on the perimitter is because THE INJURY IS PERMANANT !

35 year old nash*, but I agree. I say same thing many weeks ago, mr. paladin blast me to pieces needlessly.

injury IS permanent. to me, question becomes-- how successful will gallo be in learning to play around his injury? if he gets good at this, and i think he is talented and young enough to adjust his skillz to this injury, then he ok. he will never be 100% of what he could have been, but the reservoir is so deep on kid that he can have very good career playing around that injury.


Yeah- "mr."- very respectful.

The thing is that none of you/us know jack-shyt about the status of his back, or if he is in pain, and to build on ignorance is going to get you nowhere. I get a big laugh when folks watch him make a poor reaction on a play and immediately conclude his back is an issue, when the other guys on our team are doing the same things with good backs.

By the way, if he is so severely injured that he has to stand in the corner all the time and not be involved in the offense, can you tell me what he is doing on defense all the time. This is why you sound like you are completely out of touch sometimes, mr. o- because you cannot cover-up an injury on the defensive end, and although he his not always successful on D, he is always being active. You are being myopic if you focus so much on one aspect of what he is doing on the court and neglect looking at everything else he is does. If his back is as bad as you think, would you expect him to be attempting to block shots like he does or box out when looking for a rebound?

I think he has to be more assertive in getting open, or taking it to the basket. I get frustrated watching him hanging out in the corner when he should be more active, but to neglect the other things he is doing on the court when making a judgment about his back, simply means you are cherry-picking, my friend.

You are more likely to be injured playing D than when playing offense, where players are overly protected against anything physical being done to them. You are more likely to put your back in a vulnerable situation on D, where you are making quick and sudden reactions like twisting and turning, and having to go up quickly to block shots or get rebounds.

excellent post, and you are right, everytime gallo does something wrong, i hear ignorant comments about his back.. I mean really , as you said, it is building upon ignorance...

My father was hit by a car when I was an infant, he had a bad back since then, for over 30 years now, and I will tell you this. It hurt him more reaching up than bending down.... So it is amazing that gallo can't do anything but hang in the corner and shoot because he has a bad back.. just absolutely silly.. How many guys with bad backs can continually reach up to shoot and do so at a high percentage.. you would think with a bad back that reaching up to shoot would be more painful than doing anything else...

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12/1/2009  12:33 AM
nixluva wrote:Gallo attempted to block a few shots and actually got 2 clean in the Orlando Game! He's getting rebounds too so he's not avoiding contact entirely. I like what Gallo does for the most part. He's the only one NOT taking bad shots all game. He limits it to only a couple a game. He could just call his own number all the time when he gets it, but Really it's on his teammates to play team ball and recognize when they don't have a good shot and give up the ball.

The way this offense is supposed to work, you shouldn't have to do what AL does all the time going one on five just to score. He's often successful, but that's not the point. When he does that he makes it easy on the defense and he messes up the flow of the offense. We just have too many selfish players and things won't change for Gallo until we get some guys that play the game more like he does. He gives it up many times and should get it back, but they NEVER swing it back his way. Why hold it against him cuz he's the only one doing the right thing? How often do you see Gallo just put his head down and force his shot?


that is why I gave Al the nickname.. "Free candy".. he is stealing what he can get for free..

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12/1/2009  1:07 AM
No matter how you look at it weather its a bad back, or lousy team mates, he plays like a rookie similar to dirk. Funny thing is dirk doesn't need screens and PnRs to drop 30.

He's just not ready and MDA made a fair assesment of him when these same question were presented to him. He more less said the guy has to want to do more, he went on to say the ball gravitates to energy,and he doesn't play with enough of it, so the ball doesn't find him enough.

It took allan houston 2 to 3 yrs in a NY uni before he shedded that passive play and started demandind the ball.

Again, I haven't seen him play enough prior to the back injury to make a fair call on weather he's always played this robotic.

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