NYKBocker wrote:

fishmike wrote:why do we need a pass first PG? IS that a prerec to a winning team? If you watched Nate last night in the 4th when he was hot he was making some very good passes. Same old story though with everyone else throwing up bricks. He broke his man down and got Lee the most open look you can get. Clang. Then the same w/ Chandler. Clang.

Nate's passing will come off his scoring. So long as he's taking good shots I dont know why thats bad.

Basketball is team game. Even Michael Jordan did not win until he started trusting his teammates. If Lil Nate keeps going off and having scoring binges but his teammates becomes spectators, do you think that is winning basketball?

it may not be winning basketball if Nate can't get others involvled but I did like most of the shots. Most were not forced, a lot of mid-range instead of settling for 3-pointers, a few passes for easy buckets too. It's actually nice to see a guard who was able to break his man down. But the key to Nate being effective would be for him to recognize an open man and for the others around him to move without the ball. AND, Nate has to play D, which he really isn't.

We shall see if those last 2 things happen.

NYKBocker wrote:

BigC wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:passing the ball to Gallo and stop freezing him out.

nobody is freezing Gallo out

Is that a joke or are you serious?

Duhon was the main guy not passing to Gallo, not Nate. If you look at many of Gallo highlights late year and this year many of his passes are from Nate. Breen and Walt were even pointing that out last game.

I must be seeing something different then, because every time I watch the game, Lil Nate has been ignoring Gallo. The only player I see looking out for Gallo is No D Lee.

i'm with NYK... i rarely see Nate looking for Gallo ever... rarely even glance Gallo's way when he's got the ball in his hands... he waits for D Lee to set up a pick & roll, or he overdribbles & jacks up an ill-advised shot... hell, i've seen Nate pass more often to Jared Fishlips than i have to Gallinari... Nate is not our best player, he's just a streaky player... when he's on, he looks awesome, but those instances are few & far between... he lacks any sort of consistency whatsoever & half the time u wanna ring his neck cuz of his knuckleheaded shenanigans... there's no way he's gonna be on this team after this season... he drives MDA crazy just like he drove Larry Brown crazy... the only coach who could stand him is Isiah.

Nate's talented, yes, but he's so immature & undisciplined he will never be able to shake that side of him... it's ingrained into his system, he can't help himself... Nate belongs on a dysfunctional team where guys are all about getting "theirs"... sounds sorta like the Knicks this year come to think of it.

TMS wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

BigC wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:passing the ball to Gallo and stop freezing him out.

nobody is freezing Gallo out

Is that a joke or are you serious?

Duhon was the main guy not passing to Gallo, not Nate. If you look at many of Gallo highlights late year and this year many of his passes are from Nate. Breen and Walt were even pointing that out last game.

I must be seeing something different then, because every time I watch the game, Lil Nate has been ignoring Gallo. The only player I see looking out for Gallo is No D Lee.

i'm with NYK... i rarely see Nate looking for Gallo ever... rarely even glance Gallo's way when he's got the ball in his hands... he waits for D Lee to set up a pick & roll, or he overdribbles & jacks up an ill-advised shot... hell, i've seen Nate pass more often to Jared Fishlips than i have to Gallinari... Nate is not our best player, he's just a streaky player... when he's on, he looks awesome, but those instances are few & far between... he lacks any sort of consistency whatsoever & half the time u wanna ring his neck cuz of his knuckleheaded shenanigans... there's no way he's gonna be on this team after this season... he drives MDA crazy just like he drove Larry Brown crazy... the only coach who could stand him is Isiah.

Nate's talented, yes, but he's so immature & undisciplined he will never be able to shake that side of him... it's ingrained into his system, he can't help himself... Nate belongs on a dysfunctional team where guys are all about getting "theirs"... sounds sorta like the Knicks this year come to think of it.

nobody is freezing out Gallo. This is a me-first team and Nate is no exception. The difference is when he's been the starting PG he's calmed down, paced himself and played his best BB

TMS wrote:his production does not do enough to outweigh his idiotic shenanigans & complete unprofessionalism...

Yes.. he's a retard. He's like a 5 year old. If you coop him up long enough he's gonna pop when he finally gets out of time out.

Harrington isnt close to Nate's ability. Not even close. Harrington is a decent rebounder. A decent scorer. There is nothing outstanding about Harrington. Sometimes his shots fall.

fishmike wrote:Harrington isnt close to Nate's ability. Not even close. Harrington is a decent rebounder. A decent scorer. There is nothing outstanding about Harrington. Sometimes his shots fall.

not even close??? how do u figure a guy who's scored 40 off the bench for us twice already & is averaging more pts. per game the past 2 seasons in NY than Nate ever has in his entire career isn't even close to Nate's ability? they're different types of players & produce in different ways... when Al's shot is falling he's every bit as explosive as Nate Robinson as a scorer... just cuz he doesn't give u the fancy crossover dribbles or isn't as quick as Nate doesn't mean he doesn't impact the game just as much when he's on top of his game

Nate was given 30 minutes per game last year & he averaged 17 pts... Al's putting up 20 per in 31 minutes off the bench this year... they're both very streaky, when they're on they both look awesome & u wonder why they can't play like that all the time... that's because they're not consistent... consistency is what separates the very good players from the rest.

Donnie royally fugged up by not trading those guys at the deadline last year IMO.

martin wrote:

TheGame wrote:

fishmike wrote:if Nate put up 24 points 7 assists 5 rebounds and shot 46% in 32 minutes as the starter and the Knicks went 30-35 in remaining games would anyone have an issue if he was resigned? I mean.. dont we need guys?

I think most people would have no problem resigning Nate to a reasonable contract. If we could sign him for four years at $4 million per, I would do it. The problem is that there is going to be more competition for Nate next summer since he will be an unrestricted FA and there will be a number of teams with cap room. We might have to offer $30/5yr deal to keep him.

don't agree. There were plenty of teams with either space or the MLE that could have nabbed Nate but didn't. We shall see what happens.

Yeah but next summer two things will be different. One, Nate will have another year under his belt where he shows that he can consistently score 17pts-20pts per game at a decent percentage (giving teams more confidence that he can be a solid 6th man off the bench), and two, Nate will be an unrestricted FA. Walsh has alot of respect around the league. I think most teams assumed that if they offered Nate a $4-$5 million contract for 3-5 years, the Knicks would match it (and honestly, I think we would have). Since teams did not want to just make an offer to screw over Walsh, no one really pursued him (plus he had the traffic incident at the end of the summer that probably scared a few teams). If Nate can avoid controversy and continue to score consistently for the rest of the year, he will get a longterm contract if he is willing to start at roughly $4.5 million the first season. Not saying Nate is going to be the hottest FA in the league, but I think he will get an offer from at least 2 teams, given his production and the size of the deal he will be looking for.

BigSm00th wrote:i would start nate for a month and then ship him out of here. he will put up #'s if he starts, he's certainly a more attractive trade candidate than duhon. d'antoni's gotta play duhon though, poor guy's in the last year of his contract and may not be re-signed.

Is it going to be that easy? Doesn't Nate have a no-trade clause in his one year deal?