BRIGGS wrote:]

Wow

*That new 2011 summer team would be adding the final piece to a title contending team that would take the court in November 2011 with sights on the 2011-2012 NBA Finals.

....Anyone who doesn't understand this progression needs to be smacked silly until the agree to take the time to figure out what it takes to build a winning team.

Perhaps you should start with your own Will sniff the 2012 NBA championship --we dont even know who will be here next year and you have us winning an NBA championship-- Is there a Tim Duncan in the 2011 draft that I dont know about?

I would just hope we can find 2 great players by 2011 who are under 25. One step at a time son--we absolutely sck and we have a massive roster problem no matter what we do next year.

You misread.

Last season and this season is trimming of payroll. The players we have aren't meant to be here beyond next summer with the exception of the rookie contract players and even some of them might be gone.

Next summer is when we start to lay the foundation. We hope to snag 1 major FA and one solid FA.

That team won't win much but will make the playoffs if we do indeed get say LeBron and a Josh Smith type (along with his type of contract).

The summer of 2011 we have the space to add that coveted 2nd top FA.

The 2011-2012 season, if all goes well, would feature 2 max free agents, 1 solid all-star FA, youth grown up, and you are looking pretty close to what the Celtics roster looked like when they won the title.

Will it happen? I have no idea. Yet, that IS the plan here and it is possible.

Yet, don't put words into my mouth, BRIGGS, for you mis-read my post.

CrushAlot wrote:

I don't know if I would call it progression. It seems to be a plan and a rough time line of what the management wants to happen and hopes happens. They have taken the first step in clearing out contracts for cap space but that by no means is a guarantee that a marquee player touches the dysfunctional disaster in NY. You could also make a strong case that management has already blown two drafts where they had lottery picks and had they gotten those picks right the team might be a bit more successful or at least more fun to watch. This plan needs alot of luck if it is going to be even partially successful. Cap space is always a good thing but there needs to be a reason why a star would give up a good situation with a chance to win. Right now there are not alot of good reasons to come to NY in my opinion.

I don't mean progress...I mean progression...as in a step by step process that must happen and is happening.

Why wouldn't a star move on to New York City? What are the Cavs without LeBron or the Heat without Wade? A 32 win team? You betcha. What do those two make a 32 win team? A playoff contender.

What free agent, if told he could play alongside another equally talented free agent, wouldn't say "Well, if I can make a 32 win team a 50 win team, and New York is telling me they're going to add me AND another superstar to a 32 win team, and we know we can make that 32 win team a 60 win team, and do it on the big stage of New York City, damn, I'm IN!"

?

People forget this. They say "Oh, Bron won't come to a 30 win team."

Well? WHAT THE HELL IS THE CAVS WITHOUT LEBRON!? Yeah, a 30 win team!

Do the math........I know we forget to some times, but, do the math.

What is HILARIOUS to me is that LeBron won't come to a 30 win Knicks team but he'll go to a winless Nets team because he's supposedly tight with Jay-Z. That one I can't stop laughing at. Somehow we can't land LeBron but he's a lock to go play at the Izod center on a winless mess. Yeah, right.

MDA plays the vets for two reasons: (1) if he sits the vets for the rookies, he will lose them and the season will truly be lost unless the rookies are actually good enough to win games; and (2) he does want to help his vets and he wants to increase their value for them and the team (in the case of Jeffries and Curry). As I said a few days ago, once we get into February and it is clear we have no shot at the playoffs, MDA will start playing Hill and Douglas more.

Cosmic wrote:
Jennings: Yeah, Hill is bad right now, and Jennings has a badly injured Bucks team in a playoff contention. It's not a good look. Yet, I wonder if Jennings' stats are how Kobe or Jordan's dominating stats willed teams to victory - or - if they will end up being more of the Marbury, Francis, Zach variety where the box scores are great but the team only goes so far. That's a question that isn't answered yet so I won't quite yet give not choosing Jennings the way Portland didn't choose Jordan.

problem Marbury and Francis had was being too in awe with their own talent and failing to recognize when they were and were not the best option. Zach is a totally different variable then those 2. Those Portland teams John Nash put together wee just bad. He deferred plenty in LA and now Memphis. And with Jamaal Tinsley (yet another missed opportunity for winning games here) on the roster and starting to see more minutes than that bust Conley Memphis has a leader who keeps folk (esp rudy) from dominating the ball to a fault (like we need for Al) and can get the ball to the right person at the right moment and as a team they are playing well.

As for Jennings he looks for Bogut often and is always crediting the job he does in the middle with his output.

Cosmic wrote:
Lebron: LeBron is doing one of two things. He will remain in Cleveland. He will sign with the Knicks. He is not going to a winless Jersey team. He won't chose Brooklyn in 2014 over Manhattan in 2010. He won't become Kobe's sidekick in LA (one possible destination). He won't play in Jordan's shadow in Chicago (another possible destination). He won't be Wade's sidekick in Miami (the only other possible destination). In New York he will own the city, the team, the fans, the money he wants, and even have his own TV channel courtesy of the Dolans (yeah, it's already known this will happen if he comes).

He's not going anywhere else. If he says no to New York he is staying in Cleveland.

We Suck: Yes, we do, but what are the Cavs without Bron and the Heat without Wade? A really crappy team that is what. What are we? A really crappy team. You add a superstar to a crappy team what do you have? A really good team. I think this is forgotten by many that if you took Bron off the Cavs they'd be the current Knicks and if you added Bron to the Knicks they'd be the current Cavs (when we use our extra cap space on that 2nd free agent).

IMO your view of Lebron and his options seem overly simplistic. You rule out completely the idea that he may want his 6th year even if he does change teams and there are more teams with alot to offer in a sign and trade than NY.

As far as the Nets go, they are in negotiations to be playing here in Newark while they wait on Brooklyn and the Rock sold out for pre season Nets games with both Jersey and NYers in attendance. The Rock is a few blocks from Penn Station and is a major hub. Getting to the Meadowlands may be a difficult trek but getting downtown Newark is as easy as getting downtown Manhattan and everyone from NYC to Ft Lee to Trenton can hop a train right to there. The King will have a crowd to perform for.

Cosmic wrote:
We Suck: Yes, we do, but what are the Cavs without Bron and the Heat without Wade? A really crappy team that is what. What are we? A really crappy team. You add a superstar to a crappy team what do you have? A really good team. I think this is forgotten by many that if you took Bron off the Cavs they'd be the current Knicks and if you added Bron to the Knicks they'd be the current Cavs (when we use our extra cap space on that 2nd free agent).

you may be right about the Heat though I think Chalmers bball IQ is higher than most of our guards combined. However the Cavs with out Bron still have guys capable of gutting out wins and going .500.

nixluva wrote:I'm still trying to understand how we're in such a bad situation being on the verge of having a ton of cap space?
No matter who comes in how is that a bad thing for a team looking to rebuild? One thing people forget is that we will also be able to make trades with teams in order to bring the players we want. When a FA's team is faced with losing their guy for nothing it creates better trade options for both teams.

I think Walsh is in a great position and he knows all his options. There's no need for panic or concern so early in this season. Dec 15th and the trade deadline still loom. Let's see what happens.

nixluva wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

nixluva wrote:I'm still trying to understand how we're in such a bad situation being on the verge of having a ton of cap space?
No matter who comes in how is that a bad thing for a team looking to rebuild? One thing people forget is that we will also be able to make trades with teams in order to bring the players we want. When a FA's team is faced with losing their guy for nothing it creates better trade options for both teams.

I think Walsh is in a great position and he knows all his options. There's no need for panic or concern so early in this season. Dec 15th and the trade deadline still loom. Let's see what happens.

Hey man everything is a gamble right? There is no sure thing in this game. All you can do is position yourself to take advantage when the opportunity presents itself. Donnie is doing that.

yes, that what i mean.

you put good point forth-- are we not in better position to 'gamble' with donnie than before? yes, we have better gamble foundation. we do good things, patience is KEY.

TMS wrote:it's very simple... reduce Duhon's minutes & play TD more... take away Fishlips' minutes altogether & give them to Hill... losing those 2 vets won't mean a damn thing on this team... we need to see what the rooks can do... no one's saying to take away playing time from any of the other vets... what's MDA afraid of is what i wanna know... it's not like Duhon & Fishlips are helping us win any games.

I see no problem with this or any of the other suggestions! I'm just not in a panic about the kids not getting PT at this point. I fully expect that they'll eventually get a good look.

sidsanders wrote:

nixluva wrote:

TMS wrote:it's very simple... reduce Duhon's minutes & play TD more... take away Fishlips' minutes altogether & give them to Hill... losing those 2 vets won't mean a damn thing on this team... we need to see what the rooks can do... no one's saying to take away playing time from any of the other vets... what's MDA afraid of is what i wanna know... it's not like Duhon & Fishlips are helping us win any games.

I see no problem with this or any of the other suggestions! I'm just not in a panic about the kids not getting PT at this point. I fully expect that they'll eventually get a good look.

shouldnt that be occurring now?? id much rather get a feel if theses young guys have any shot to get better (or just get better). letting them get garbage mins or time late in the season is false hope.
see: collins, balkman, etc..

there's a way you do things. dropping vets in contract years is not the way to do things. they human beings.

rooks, they rooks-- they get chance in league, is only first year, what rush?? tell me what rush?? so YOU can get more fun watching knicks? for you?? who you fans think you are??

mda doing things classy, you know, the way things used to be done. maybe this foreign concept to vultures of new york city fans.

have patience. get off iverson's sackage. sit back.

you see what i am saying? me have enough of this!! me big fan of knicks, big fan of mda. me take offense! nothing per se to you, mr. sanders sid. me saying in general, this sentiment is overboard. you no agree?