BRIGGS wrote:

TMS wrote:well to start with he's only shown over a short stretch of games that he can play at a superstar level... let's see him do that over the span of a few seasons before we say he's on Wade's level.

secondly, he's about 3 inches shorter than Wade... that's not something to simply gloss over... when's the last time an undersized SG like him has led his team to an NBA title? let's keep this to modern day hoops cuz the average size of NBA players was a lot shorter back in the old days.

i think Ellis is a nice player... if we could dump Curry or Fishlips' contract & have to throw in Gallo & Chandler, i'd probably do it... would love to have him but i don't take his contract on & sacrifice any shot of signing any of the max FA's in the greatest free agency class in the history of the sport.

2 years ago before he got hurt he lead guards in FG% @ 53% while averaging 20-5-4 at the ripe old age of 22. That's 82 games--not some small sample. This guy is playing at a top 10 all NBA player's level right now from the lead guard. I'll give up our UNPROVEN players for that.

LOL... dude, it's not even a question of giving up our unprovens for Monta Ellis... this is a question of locking up longterm dollars into Ellis & taking yourself out of the running for a max FA this offseason... everytime a player has an amazing stretch of games he becomes your flavor of the month & u wanna move Heaven & Earth to get him... meanwhile just a few days ago u were preaching about how we ABSOLUTELY have to clear enough cap space this offseason to attract 2 max FA's, something i argued for a year ago & u argued against... i can't even keep up w/ur flip flopping on topics anymore.

TMS wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

TMS wrote:well to start with he's only shown over a short stretch of games that he can play at a superstar level... let's see him do that over the span of a few seasons before we say he's on Wade's level.

secondly, he's about 3 inches shorter than Wade... that's not something to simply gloss over... when's the last time an undersized SG like him has led his team to an NBA title? let's keep this to modern day hoops cuz the average size of NBA players was a lot shorter back in the old days.

i think Ellis is a nice player... if we could dump Curry or Fishlips' contract & have to throw in Gallo & Chandler, i'd probably do it... would love to have him but i don't take his contract on & sacrifice any shot of signing any of the max FA's in the greatest free agency class in the history of the sport.

2 years ago before he got hurt he lead guards in FG% @ 53% while averaging 20-5-4 at the ripe old age of 22. That's 82 games--not some small sample. This guy is playing at a top 10 all NBA player's level right now from the lead guard. I'll give up our UNPROVEN players for that.

LOL... dude, it's not even a question of giving up our unprovens for Monta Ellis... this is a question of locking up longterm dollars into Ellis & taking yourself out of the running for a max FA this offseason... everytime a player has an amazing stretch of games he becomes your flavor of the month & u wanna move Heaven & Earth to get him... meanwhile just a few days ago u were preaching about how we ABSOLUTELY have to clear enough cap space this offseason to attract 2 max FA's, something i argued for a year ago & u argued against... i can't even keep up w/ur flip flopping on topics anymore.

I'll take a player like Monta Ellis right now if it was guaranteed. Free agency is NOt guaranteed.

tkf wrote:

wade is bigger and stronger. A better defender, has a ring, can post up, block shots and doesn't turn the ball over 11 times like ellis did the other day..

I know you don't watch him much but you must have also never had Wade on any fantasy team...and ellis is just as good hawking the ball plus he is starting to bulk up. And really its not about right now, its about projecting what in a few years his game and body maturing will produce. Ellis is only 24.

Wade 27.8pts 5.3ass 4.9rbs 2.1stls 3.3tos 43%
Ellis 23.4pts 5.5ass 4.4rbs 2.5stls 3.8tos 48%

Frankly I am not seeing that much of a difference in numbers that everyone should laugh at the comparison. Again you could sign another player with the 6 million you are saving. Agreed on Bosh. What the **** has that kid ever done? Does he get his team to the playoffs?

It's not like Ellis has a good coach or a stable environment in Golden State. A Nate/Jefferies/Chandler deal seems like a decent package for them. But as usual Walsh doesn't want to move on anything.

Since he is trying to build a team of power fowards that can't get open it makes no sense to bring in a guard that can get into the lane and score and find people. Walsh likes give 6 million away to a guy that can't ****ing shoot and finish.

This team is never going to be good every again because there is no plan in place. Cap room and ****ty players is very enticing for a free agent that is going to get slammed in the press if things don't work out.

Trade for the kid right now

if nate stay, and these silent killers go, i think nate can be salvaged as a knick.

MS wrote:If I'm Lebron and we get Ellis and have a the flowing core. I think I am excited to come to New York. I think our mid-level will be in play our veteran minimum as well.

Ellis-Douglas
James
Gallo
Lee
Hill

Regardless of the White House tells you things are not getting better, the economy is not recovering, jobs aren't being created and teams are not going to have the money to spend and throw crazy contracts out there. So the knicks can fill in players that serve roles (Lorwy types). Most NBA teams are in serious trouble. Boston, Washington, Orlando, Charlotte, Cleveland, Toronto don't have the money to spend next season.

So if I'm Lebron I look at other teams in the conference Boston, ATL, Magic those are the teams you have to worry about. Boston you cross them off the list at seasons end. You can bet that Ellis and James will ensure that Gallo is never doubled for the rest of his career and we have a young maturing team.

orangeblobman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

MS wrote:If I'm Lebron and we get Ellis and have a the flowing core. I think I am excited to come to New York. I think our mid-level will be in play our veteran minimum as well.

Ellis-Douglas
James
Gallo
Lee
Hill

Regardless of the White House tells you things are not getting better, the economy is not recovering, jobs aren't being created and teams are not going to have the money to spend and throw crazy contracts out there. So the knicks can fill in players that serve roles (Lorwy types). Most NBA teams are in serious trouble. Boston, Washington, Orlando, Charlotte, Cleveland, Toronto don't have the money to spend next season.

So if I'm Lebron I look at other teams in the conference Boston, ATL, Magic those are the teams you have to worry about. Boston you cross them off the list at seasons end. You can bet that Ellis and James will ensure that Gallo is never doubled for the rest of his career and we have a young maturing team.

Once you do that you can use the expiring Curry and JJ contracts to take on some pricey role players a team might no longer be able to afford. Ok4, Elton Brand, Diaw, Gerald Wallace, Bogut... who knows who needs to dump salary

bogut, he is no pricey role player.

brand, he locked up for many year now. no good.

kam77 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

MS wrote:If I'm Lebron and we get Ellis and have a the flowing core. I think I am excited to come to New York. I think our mid-level will be in play our veteran minimum as well.

Ellis-Douglas
James
Gallo
Lee
Hill

Regardless of the White House tells you things are not getting better, the economy is not recovering, jobs aren't being created and teams are not going to have the money to spend and throw crazy contracts out there. So the knicks can fill in players that serve roles (Lorwy types). Most NBA teams are in serious trouble. Boston, Washington, Orlando, Charlotte, Cleveland, Toronto don't have the money to spend next season.

So if I'm Lebron I look at other teams in the conference Boston, ATL, Magic those are the teams you have to worry about. Boston you cross them off the list at seasons end. You can bet that Ellis and James will ensure that Gallo is never doubled for the rest of his career and we have a young maturing team.

Once you do that you can use the expiring Curry and JJ contracts to take on some pricey role players a team might no longer be able to afford. Ok4, Elton Brand, Diaw, Gerald Wallace, Bogut... who knows who needs to dump salary

bogut, he is no pricey role player.

brand, he locked up for many year now. no good.

thats the whole point. Brand's contract is long and expensive. AFTER Knicks use their cap space they should look to find teams dumping salary and use JJ/Curry's expiring contracts to get someone like that. There is no way of telling who is or will be available

Fishmike,

I think they may end up using David Lee in a sign and trade this summer. Maybe for a guy like Bosh.

david lee wants to play in toronto?

orangeblobman wrote:

McK1 wrote:

kam77 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

MS wrote:If I'm Lebron and we get Ellis and have a the flowing core. I think I am excited to come to New York. I think our mid-level will be in play our veteran minimum as well.

Ellis-Douglas
James
Gallo
Lee
Hill

Regardless of the White House tells you things are not getting better, the economy is not recovering, jobs aren't being created and teams are not going to have the money to spend and throw crazy contracts out there. So the knicks can fill in players that serve roles (Lorwy types). Most NBA teams are in serious trouble. Boston, Washington, Orlando, Charlotte, Cleveland, Toronto don't have the money to spend next season.

So if I'm Lebron I look at other teams in the conference Boston, ATL, Magic those are the teams you have to worry about. Boston you cross them off the list at seasons end. You can bet that Ellis and James will ensure that Gallo is never doubled for the rest of his career and we have a young maturing team.

Once you do that you can use the expiring Curry and JJ contracts to take on some pricey role players a team might no longer be able to afford. Ok4, Elton Brand, Diaw, Gerald Wallace, Bogut... who knows who needs to dump salary

bogut, he is no pricey role player.

brand, he locked up for many year now. no good.

thats the whole point. Brand's contract is long and expensive. AFTER Knicks use their cap space they should look to find teams dumping salary and use JJ/Curry's expiring contracts to get someone like that. There is no way of telling who is or will be available

Fishmike,

I think they may end up using David Lee in a sign and trade this summer. Maybe for a guy like Bosh.

david lee wants to play in toronto?

david lee play where donnie say he play, no fooling around any more with mr lee

david lee will be an UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENT at seasn's end. Walsh can't tell David Lee ****.