tkf wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:Ok.

Evans>than all our young players put together

Tremendous skilled size 7-0 6-11 6-11 Hawes Green Thompson

Bench players Casspi Brockman--very solid tough bench player with high intensity and production.

That's great Briggs. Without admitting that the Kings and Knicks are in two totally different situations in regards to playing rookies and younger players then this argument is going nowhere.

The Kings play their young players and look to get them involved in the offense and the Knicks have Al Harrington shooting 6-19 and Chris Duhon playing 29 minutes.

Two totally different philosophies.

Gallo and Chandler have started many games and have played many minutes. They are not on the same talent plain as the kids from Sacramento.

I disagree about Gallo, Gallo is the kind of player that needs to touch the ball everytime down, but half the time he has guys like Hughes, Nate, Harrington just blatantly look him off. To me, when Gallo gets the rock, good things happen.

Chandler, I do agree with though - he just isn't that good.

today the post said that chandlers ankle has been bothering him, and I guess we can attribute his off play to that or at least part of the reason.. the problem with silly threads like this, is briggs only post them when the other teams players have a good game.. He would never have posted this the other night when donte green scored 0 points.. or when evans has a bad game.. NO, he is an opportunist when it comes to these things... this is briggs "MO".. how can anyone take these post serious?

--->briggs only post them when the other teams players have a good game.

Darn I guess that's why I post every day.

tkf wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:BRIGGS - You know what the difference is between our youngins and Sacramento's? Sacramento has been playing since the beginning of the year and has a PG that actually gets everyone involved. From Udrih, Evans in the beginning to SRod now. If we did the same and had TD, Chandler, Gallo and Hill all playing major minutes and they actually feature Gallo, I think the outcome would be much different.

The only flaw I see in Gallo right now is that he is too differential to the supposed vets in this team. It's tough to come into a team, let alone a foreigner, where he also has to adjust to culture shock and the unvet like actions by Dudu and Nate.

I mean, in the 1st quarter when it was still a contest, it was the vets that were walking the Kings to the basket. No D Lee was getting his numbers and felt like he owed the other team his numbers and let them get theirs. Dudu is poopoo. Nate is the Human Highlight Film in his own mind. Fishlips stinks of week old dead fish. Al tries but will only be truly be good if he had a PG that actually knows how to set him up (see Dudu). Larry is a pleasant surprise.

Who was exposed last night? Dudu, No D Lee, Special Nate, Fishlips and Al. I am really trying my best not to turn on Cocach Pringles but if this continues where our youngins don't get any play and he does not force his team to feature Gallo, I will have join the hate on MDA brigade.

excellent post. I agree with everything you said.. but you are trying to explain this to some posters with an agenda, as much sense as this post makes, it will fall upon deaf ears with guys like briggs... get ready for tomorrow night. we are going to hear how bad we missed by passing on ty lawson... book it...

Oh my God--you locked that post from realGM--I could give 2 shts literally but very weak and disrespectful dude--you've known me from a long time--I have no axe to grind I just call it like I see it.

BRIGGS wrote:

tkf wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:BRIGGS - You know what the difference is between our youngins and Sacramento's? Sacramento has been playing since the beginning of the year and has a PG that actually gets everyone involved. From Udrih, Evans in the beginning to SRod now. If we did the same and had TD, Chandler, Gallo and Hill all playing major minutes and they actually feature Gallo, I think the outcome would be much different.

The only flaw I see in Gallo right now is that he is too differential to the supposed vets in this team. It's tough to come into a team, let alone a foreigner, where he also has to adjust to culture shock and the unvet like actions by Dudu and Nate.

I mean, in the 1st quarter when it was still a contest, it was the vets that were walking the Kings to the basket. No D Lee was getting his numbers and felt like he owed the other team his numbers and let them get theirs. Dudu is poopoo. Nate is the Human Highlight Film in his own mind. Fishlips stinks of week old dead fish. Al tries but will only be truly be good if he had a PG that actually knows how to set him up (see Dudu). Larry is a pleasant surprise.

Who was exposed last night? Dudu, No D Lee, Special Nate, Fishlips and Al. I am really trying my best not to turn on Cocach Pringles but if this continues where our youngins don't get any play and he does not force his team to feature Gallo, I will have join the hate on MDA brigade.

excellent post. I agree with everything you said.. but you are trying to explain this to some posters with an agenda, as much sense as this post makes, it will fall upon deaf ears with guys like briggs... get ready for tomorrow night. we are going to hear how bad we missed by passing on ty lawson... book it...

Oh my God--you locked that post from realGM--I could give 2 shts literally but very weak and disrespectful dude--you've known me from a long time--I have no axe to grind I just call it like I see it.

briggs, I have known you for a long time, and there was not disrespect intended, but we have threads to post that kind of stuff in... we have too much of that already and posters are complaining briggs.... at some point I have to balance out all of the doomsday threads... can't have 100 threads like that.. at some point, it disrupts the forum.... there are like 10 other threads similar to yours briggs.... sorry if you feel disrespected, but that was not my intention.. sorry if you feel that way, but that wasn't my goal there....

But lets be honest briggs, do you think it is fair to do that after every game in which some other teams player has one breakout game? is that really a fair analysis? I know you are better than that.. if you are like the rest of us and frustrated.. cool.. but I know you are better than that man....

--->But lets be honest briggs, do you think it is fair to do that after every game in which some other teams player has one breakout game? is that really a fair analysis? I know you are better than that.. if you are like the rest of us and frustrated.. cool.. but I know you are better than that man....
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What are you talking about--it's every game! I post because it's not an acceptable product and yes it seems like every team has a player go off for some kind of good game--I mean what else can I say--anything else is false. They have to do something reasonable and I think it starts with removing Duhon.

BRIGGS wrote:

--->But lets be honest briggs, do you think it is fair to do that after every game in which some other teams player has one breakout game? is that really a fair analysis? I know you are better than that.. if you are like the rest of us and frustrated.. cool.. but I know you are better than that man....

What are you talking about--it's every game! I post because it's not an acceptable product and yes it seems like every team has a player go off for some kind of good game--I mean what else can I say--anything else is false. They have to do something reasonable and I think it starts with removing Duhon.

agreed that duhon is the problem. i think he's more the problem than the kids. how good would wilson and gallo look with brandon jennings drawing attention and making passes to them. teams know duhon won't shoot.

briggs, i think your posts are valuable and we're all just frustrated right now.

that said, dejuan blair has tailed off a bit, hasn't he?

DT might be a good coach to maximize his offense/defense schemes with highly talented players, but he's not the coach that can maximize talent

We have some talent on this team at least players that have abilities and if given the chance on a another team with another coach who knows how to maximize his players talents we might see different, coachable, productive basketball players...

EDIT: i dunno why but i thought u were referring to the Lakers game w/this post.

loweyecue wrote:Dude Briggs, love your posts and all. But the doom and gloom is getting hot heavy these days. You are like proof that every silver lining has a huge cumulonimbus attached to it!

But we're hideous and the future of the franchise rests on a hope the we can snag a major talent. Absolutely nothing tangible.

TMS wrote:i guess the fact that Bynum's been in the NBA for 5 seasons now & being tutored by 1 of the greatest players to ever play his position doesn't have a tad bit to do w/why he's at a more advanced stage in his development than Hill? i don't care how old these guys are, there's no substitute for having that kind of a chance to grow & develop your game at the NBA level... when Bynum was a rook he was way far behind Jordan Hill in terms of development it wasn't even close... yeah he was a green HS kid, but there's no way he'd have been nearly as good as he is now if he'd stayed in college IMHO.

EDIT: i dunno why but i thought u were referring to the Lakers game w/this post.

you don't care how old these guys are? that's because bynum is 3 months YOUNGER than jordan hill is. why are they even being compared? our young "talent" is pathetic. i would trade our roster with any roster in the nba, i haven't done the research but if anyone can find me a team they wouldn't do that with, let me know. the nets haven't won a game, i'd much rather have devin harris and brook lopez over ANYBODY on the knicks.

TMS wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:

TMS wrote:i guess the fact that Bynum's been in the NBA for 5 seasons now & being tutored by 1 of the greatest players to ever play his position doesn't have a tad bit to do w/why he's at a more advanced stage in his development than Hill? i don't care how old these guys are, there's no substitute for having that kind of a chance to grow & develop your game at the NBA level... when Bynum was a rook he was way far behind Jordan Hill in terms of development it wasn't even close... yeah he was a green HS kid, but there's no way he'd have been nearly as good as he is now if he'd stayed in college IMHO.

EDIT: i dunno why but i thought u were referring to the Lakers game w/this post.

you don't care how old these guys are? that's because bynum is 3 months YOUNGER than jordan hill is. why are they even being compared? our young "talent" is pathetic. i would trade our roster with any roster in the nba, i haven't done the research but if anyone can find me a team they wouldn't do that with, let me know. the nets haven't won a game, i'd much rather have devin harris and brook lopez over ANYBODY on the knicks.

3 months younger, so what? he's also got 5 more years of NBA experience & has been brought up in a winning culture around great players & coaches... the point i'm making isn't that i'd rather have Hill than Bynum, so don't even go there... the point is that this is Hill's 1st year in the league & is showing some nice skillsets in the very brief stints he's been allowed to have so far... a little patience isn't too much to ask before u go & call the guy "pathetic"... i guess you woulda called Bynum pathetic too after his rookie & sophomore seasons.

It was very easy to see how good Bynum would be with his size touch and great hands. He was already an impact bench player by the time he was 18-19 in the NBA. He's a 20-10 player now at 22--I think the same age as Jordan Hill and who knows how good if he didnt have two very serious knee injuries.
Jordan Hill didnt look as talented or coordinated as Hawes Thompson or Greene--he looked very raw last night.