Is Chandler Still Better Than Ariza?

Chandler is not even as good as Gerald Wilkins.

oohah

oohah wrote:Lots of Isiah picks are going to have nice careers around the NBA. Impatience has been the undoing of the Knicks again and again.

Isiah = good drafting + poor patience + bad trading.

Walsh = poor drafting + good patience + ? trading.

oohah

one thing we know about Walsh, he's not afraid of trading established veterans to bring in unproven young prospects who he thinks have promise... sometimes it works out great (Dale Davis for Jermaine O'Neal) & sometimes it blows up in his face (Antonio Davis for Jonathan Bender)... my hope is that he'll look real hard to trade the vets on this team at the trade deadline for young players and/or draft picks & almost force MDA's hand to play the young guys the rest of the season... i think that's the only way we're gonna see these kids getting the burn they need to really mature & grow as players.

TMS wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:could have been better. a year on the lakers can't hurt a player.

exactly... Chandler is every bit as talented as Ariza, maybe moreso, but Ariza had the benefit of learning from guys like Kobe Bryant & Phil Jackson, along w/ex Laker greats who hang around the team a lot like Kareem & Magic... he had the experience of playing on a championship squad... that experience had to have been huge in his development & maturation... Ariza was once called "delusional" by a HOF coach, Larry Brown when he was a member of the Knicks... now he's playing great basketball as a starter in Houston & has a championship ring on his finger... sometimes it's not the talent or even the player, but the surroundings u put them in that determines success... i have no doubt in my mind if Chandler had been brought up in that same type of winning environment & had guys to mentor him there like Ariza had, he'd be every bit as good as Ariza if not better.

Excellent post TMS....your surroundings can change your perseptions of a player. Case and point, I was watching NBATV and one of them mentioned that channing Frye was having a great season. If you look at his numbers, they aren't much better than the numbers he put up here as a rookie. But he's playing on a better team that is winning.

Put Chandler on the Lakers right now, and he would be a young stud.....winning highlights your positives, but being in a losing situation (Knick land) highlights all of your weaknesses...

oohah wrote:

Uptown wrote:Case and point, I was watching NBATV and one of them mentioned that channing Frye was having a great season. If you look at his numbers, they aren't much better than the numbers he put up here as a rookie. But he's playing on a better team that is winning.

Frye is having a good season. He is #4 in shots taken in the Sun's starting lineup and he is averaging under 30 minutes per game. He is playing his role efficiently and when they ask him to step up and do more he does.

oohah

If Frye stayed on the Knicks, would he be performing as well in D'Antoni's system? Kinda funny we shipped him out and then later brough in a coach that loves big men who can stretch defenses.

oohah wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:
If Frye stayed on the Knicks, would he be performing as well in D'Antoni's system?

Frye would be the best player on the team in this system.

oohah

He would at least threaten to be.

McK1 wrote:is steve nash coming with him?

if galinari can only get 30 ft looks what kind of shots do you expect the knix guards to get another 3 line floater with much lesser ability to take his man off the dribble like frye?

If you recall, Frye has an inside game in addition to being able to shoot from the outside. He doesn't HAVE to hover around the 3 point line.

I still have yet to witness Gallinari take his man off the dribble like so many claim. I've seen him do pretty much what Frye does which is fake, then take a couple of dribble in for a closer jumper.

oohah

McK1 wrote:
i recall frye not being to hold post position on little danny granger. has much changed? that was his downfall here...being forced into a role he just wasn't good at.
he is getting it in phoenix because they are using him as a spot up 3 point shooter. 6 threes per game vs 1.4 free throws

I recall Frye making quite a few nice moves in the post and scoring efficiently from there, your single danny Granger recollection notwithstanding.

The role that Frye got forced into here was decoy for Eddy Curry, the plan Isiah Thomas foolishly implemented.

However, if you look at Frye's game log in his second year, he started out with 8 terrible games, he missed the next 11 games with a sprained ankle, then he came back and put up virtually identical numbers compared to his rookie season, even though he was marginalized.

The guy can produce on offense, that should not really be questioned.

oohah

Juice wrote:Anyway the point I was getting at no one should claim a player is better than another player based off unsubstantiated evidence and more so a hunch.

Why not?

BasketballJones wrote:

Juice wrote:Anyway the point I was getting at no one should claim a player is better than another player based off unsubstantiated evidence and more so a hunch.

Why not?

Ok hunch says Hill isn't BPA so let this stick

Paladin55 wrote:
He does not drive as often as he should, but he had a nice drive against Boston with a two handed finish, and he has passed out after beating his man and also had a few interior feeds off of drives. He has also been fouled going to the basket. To be honest, when he has decided to drive, he is usually able to get past his man, even though he does not have explosive speed. I would rather not see him do that between the leg crap he does at times- that is not something 6'10" players should be doing.

He is also playing out of position- he will not end up as a SF- he will eventually be this team's PF, and as a PF, he will be plenty fast enough and cause some significant problems for opponents. I am not sure Frye is used to being guarded by 6'5"-6'7" players and taking them to the basket off the dribble. The same is true of any player Gallinari is compared to. Gallinari's biggest flaw at this point is that his post game is a work in progress. He has actually shown some moves this season, but if he is playing against smaller opponents, he needs a better post-up game.

Gallinari understands how to drive, I just don't see this gift for taking his man off the dribble that people are claiming. Drving and "taking your man off the dribble" are 2 similar, but different things.

Gallinari needs to be a PF. He doesn't have the speed or agility to play SF long-term.

And as a PF, Gallinari needs to have some type of post game unless he has Amare Stoudamire etc. to man the post. Even then, he at least needs to be able to post when the time comes...but can his back handle it?

oohah