NYKBocker wrote:

Marv wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

Marv wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

Marv wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

let us remember the great men and women that made our lifestyle today possible.

Why are the native Americans towards the right of the picture sitting on the ground, while the white folks are sitting on the table ?

Thas some racist **** !

of course it is.

btw happy thanksgiving to you and kobe yours

it's absolutely not racist, what are you talking about? the white people liked to use tables, the native americans liked to chill with the earth. you don't know what you're talking about.

u mean chill IN the earth once they met those generous pilgrims.

not like they went to murder anyone. and without those pilgrims you wouldn't have the freedoms and incredibly high standard of life we all have today.

hahahahahahahahaha. i'd rather be roamin' the prairies and eating mad peyote with the natives thank you very much.

There are 3 chiefs at the end of the table.

Yea but they probably got murdered after the meal. For some, it was Thanksgiving. For others, it was the last supper.

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

Marv wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

Marv wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

Marv wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

let us remember the great men and women that made our lifestyle today possible.

Why are the native Americans towards the right of the picture sitting on the ground, while the white folks are sitting on the table ?

Thas some racist **** !

of course it is.

btw happy thanksgiving to you and kobe yours

it's absolutely not racist, what are you talking about? the white people liked to use tables, the native americans liked to chill with the earth. you don't know what you're talking about.

u mean chill IN the earth once they met those generous pilgrims.

not like they went to murder anyone. and without those pilgrims you wouldn't have the freedoms and incredibly high standard of life we all have today.

hahahahahahahahaha. i'd rather be roamin' the prairies and eating mad peyote with the natives thank you very much.

There are 3 chiefs at the end of the table.

Yea but they probably got murdered after the meal. For some, it was Thanksgiving. For others, it was the last supper.

orangeblobman wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

Marv wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

Marv wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

Marv wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

let us remember the great men and women that made our lifestyle today possible.

Why are the native Americans towards the right of the picture sitting on the ground, while the white folks are sitting on the table ?

Thas some racist **** !

of course it is.

btw happy thanksgiving to you and kobe yours

it's absolutely not racist, what are you talking about? the white people liked to use tables, the native americans liked to chill with the earth. you don't know what you're talking about.

u mean chill IN the earth once they met those generous pilgrims.

not like they went to murder anyone. and without those pilgrims you wouldn't have the freedoms and incredibly high standard of life we all have today.

hahahahahahahahaha. i'd rather be roamin' the prairies and eating mad peyote with the natives thank you very much.

There are 3 chiefs at the end of the table.

Yea but they probably got murdered after the meal. For some, it was Thanksgiving. For others, it was the last supper.

q-bert closk...

Lebron to come to the Knicks in 2010. Happy Thanksgiving all and F the pilgrims. Bunch of panty wastes if you ask me.

martin wrote:

fishmike wrote:I for one am immensely grateful to my forefathers who swindled these wonderful lands from the indigenous people who once resided here. Of course not all the native Americans needed to be kicked out. Some died from influenza and other infectious diseases my ancestors brought over for which they had no immunities to. Of course I am equally grateful to the massive force of slave labor which was critical to this land's early economic growth. Once we can get past the slippery fact that this country was founded on treachery and slave labor we can focus on that first "Thanksgiving" when the pilgrims had a feast to celebrate that which they were grateful for.

All that being said I am very pro American and love this country very much. I'm not a fan of glossing over its history, because I think believe there are important lessons to be learned from past generations.

I honestly choose to not focus on any of that. I do share my thanks and gratitude to friends and family, but I always do that. Mostly its a nice day off to eat and drink with great fervor.

not very patriotic. Palin would almost consider you a terrorist.

I love America. Just not the mythology

happy thanksgiving everyone, whatever you're thankful for.

fishmike wrote:

you're not grateful for the spirit of exploration and discovery that led to the discovery of the entire world?

what does that mean? The entire world? Americas were already discovered and had people living there. Are you talking about white Europeans?

you're not grateful for the guiding principals that laid the foundation for all the freedoms you enjoy today?

What principles are those? Because they didnt exist during the times I am reffering to. What existed was the the acceptable removal of indigenous followed by land owners reaping profits from slave labor. I am VERY grateful those founding and guiding principals are NOT in existance today. I do not apologize that they once existed, nor do I pretend they never existed.

people make mistakes, and usually act as best as they know. but undoubtedly the legacy they left behind is much more positive than negative, with respect to the entire globe, not just us.

Again... what are you trying to say? If the legacy you refer to is what is written in my 4th grade daugther's history book its great. Go on an indian "reservation" and tell me you experience and thoughts on that legacy. The whole point is they didnt make mistakes, the accomplished what they set out to do.

you focus so much on the negative. why? i don't know.

where I am being negative? Would that be where I said I loved this country?

and america and it's "mythology" go hand-in-hand.

why? Why cant I love something for what it is? Why do I have to love it for something that didnt actually happen the way it happened?

so really think about what it is that you love, and what it is that you trash so nonchalantly.

what did I trash? The legacy of our fore fathers? Why are you so juvenile and naive to believe in that legacy? How can people learn from mistakes and be better people if they deny anything wrong happened in the first place?

you're wrong on everything, end of discussion, happy holiday.

fishmike wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

you're not grateful for the spirit of exploration and discovery that led to the discovery of the entire world?

what does that mean? The entire world? Americas were already discovered and had people living there. Are you talking about white Europeans?

you're not grateful for the guiding principals that laid the foundation for all the freedoms you enjoy today?

What principles are those? Because they didnt exist during the times I am reffering to. What existed was the the acceptable removal of indigenous followed by land owners reaping profits from slave labor. I am VERY grateful those founding and guiding principals are NOT in existance today. I do not apologize that they once existed, nor do I pretend they never existed.

people make mistakes, and usually act as best as they know. but undoubtedly the legacy they left behind is much more positive than negative, with respect to the entire globe, not just us.

Again... what are you trying to say? If the legacy you refer to is what is written in my 4th grade daugther's history book its great. Go on an indian "reservation" and tell me you experience and thoughts on that legacy. The whole point is they didnt make mistakes, the accomplished what they set out to do.

you focus so much on the negative. why? i don't know.

where I am being negative? Would that be where I said I loved this country?

and america and it's "mythology" go hand-in-hand.

why? Why cant I love something for what it is? Why do I have to love it for something that didnt actually happen the way it happened?

so really think about what it is that you love, and what it is that you trash so nonchalantly.

what did I trash? The legacy of our fore fathers? Why are you so juvenile and naive to believe in that legacy? How can people learn from mistakes and be better people if they deny anything wrong happened in the first place?

you're wrong on everything, end of discussion, happy holiday.

cool. United States should go to South America and settle that land. If anyone is living there we will thank them and round them up to live in designated areas. We should farm and mine the entire land. On our way to South America we should round up as many Mexicans as the boats will hold and use/breed them as slave labor because its going to be a big job. 200 years from now our desendants will be argueing about the spirit of exploration.

Its ok blob.

Looking at the negative is a first way to acknowledge it exists in the first place. Once you have done that you can grow from it and we can become better people. 620,000 men died in combat during the civil war because half this country believed our fore fathers were dead wrong. So wrong that it was worth spilling blood over.

Its ok to think about this stuff. Its ok to be part of something that isnt perfect and want to make it better. Unless you consider that unpatriotic or a nonchalant trashing of our ideals.

so? did you speak to jesus again? did he tell you blob was an ******* for these comments? just curious.

jimimou wrote:so? did you speak to jesus again? did he tell you blob was an ******* for these comments? just curious.

fishmike wrote:I for one am immensely grateful to my forefathers who swindled these wonderful lands from the indigenous people who once resided here. Of course not all the native Americans needed to be kicked out. Some died from influenza and other infectious diseases my ancestors brought over for which they had no immunities to. Of course I am equally grateful to the massive force of slave labor which was critical to this land's early economic growth. Once we can get past the slippery fact that this country was founded on treachery and slave labor we can focus on that first "Thanksgiving" when the pilgrims had a feast to celebrate that which they were grateful for.

All that being said I am very pro American and love this country very much. I'm not a fan of glossing over its history, because I think believe there are important lessons to be learned from past generations.

I honestly choose to not focus on any of that. I do share my thanks and gratitude to friends and family, but I always do that. Mostly its a nice day off to eat and drink with great fervor.

Preach on my friend. I couldn't agree with you anymore.

jimimou wrote:

fishmike wrote:

jimimou wrote:so? did you speak to jesus again? did he tell you blob was an ******* for these comments? just curious.

not yet... but I am hoping to speak to him tonight :)

if youre around this wknd - maybe we hit marv and dj up for a night on the town? nothing better than thanksgiving dinner than some jack and cokes.

ps: i do think you are like the greatest guy alive too, but damn if isles aint one step higher!

to the entire UK mafia:

happy turkey day to you guys and your families. btw - this board is no different than any family out there. we have people who get along, others that dont, but damn if we are not together each and every day telling each other how we feel about them.

isles: i know you still view this board every now and then so happy turkey day to you and your fam too holmes. good luck w the restaurant!

And I 2nd everything jimi said.

And blob.. you will notice I may tease a bit or make fun but I will never attack you personally because I respect your views and opinions even if I disagree.

I however believe in only facts, which are based on a variety of my opinions.