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cooch2584
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11/23/2009  8:39 PM
douglas and hughes=perimeter defense nuff said so that we dont get behind early in the first qt look at the stats we dont have a lane presense to block shots so hughes and douglas would stop the drive COME ON IT AINT BRAIN SURGERY HERE
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11/23/2009  8:47 PM
cooch2584 wrote:douglas and hughes=perimeter defense nuff said so that we dont get behind early in the first qt look at the stats we dont have a lane presense to block shots so hughes and douglas would stop the drive COME ON IT AINT BRAIN SURGERY HERE

and what about getting others involved? Duhon still does it much better than Douglas and for Hughes to a lesser extent.

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11/23/2009  8:50 PM
douglas needs a chance are you kidding me
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11/23/2009  10:19 PM
nixluva wrote:MDA knows BB inside and out. I find it funny when we make our own judgments about what he should do and not realize how many times he's seen a given situation over his long playing and coaching career. He's smart enough to come up with his own take on how to attack NBA defenses and yet people think he doesn't know defense. Tell me how that's possible? Hughes and Douglas would be a better backcourt in a pure statistical sense, but i'm not sure that over the course of 82 that it would mean more wins for the team.

Think of it this way. We just lost a close game against the Celtics and in games like that the extra number of mistakes that both Hughes/TD would inevitably make, would sink us more often than not. If Duhon was playing at the same level as the 1st half of last year we'd be in better shape. WHY? cuz he did more than just shoot better. His decision making was better too and he made the game easier for the other Knicks. The problem is that it seems that that Duhon was a mirage and we may never see that guy again. I hope he gets it back, cuz we need that guy.

sorry, but i disagree w/u completely... we almost won the game vs. the Celtics DESPITE having Duhon on the floor for 46+ minutes... he was a complete non-factor if u ask me... not doing much on defense, not hitting his shots & not doing a great job of orchestrating either... i didn't see him do anything that made the game easier for any of his teammates... i saw Nate igniting the offense & Hughes doing a great job of setting up his teammates & pressing the ball upcourt in transition... if u watched the game carefully u'd have seen Hughes & Nate were the best & most effective backcourt players we had that day, but MDA chose to go w/Duhon for most of the game..

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11/24/2009  6:46 AM
martin wrote:
cooch2584 wrote:douglas and hughes=perimeter defense nuff said so that we dont get behind early in the first qt look at the stats we dont have a lane presense to block shots so hughes and douglas would stop the drive COME ON IT AINT BRAIN SURGERY HERE

and what about getting others involved? Duhon still does it much better than Douglas and for Hughes to a lesser extent.

Sorry Martin...Douglas has a different style. He makes the other team defend the perimeter and that opens up the inside game. Perhaps D'Antoni and Douglas can find a blend but apparently D'A doesn't trust him yet. He still considers himself a rookie. My take is he scored 23 the other game I'm coach I say "He jsut earned his stripes...he doesn't fetch for you vets anymore" He has to have a better basis to take on a leadership role. It is a complicated dynamic. Some of it must come from the player some from coach ...but in the end he has to have teammates willing to follow him.

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11/24/2009  7:22 AM
It's something that they should consider. Neither Hughes or Douglas are point guards, but both have some pg ability.
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11/24/2009  9:26 AM
This shouldn't even be up for debate. Who is the worst starting point guard in the NBA? Duhon. And we are trying to attrack a free agent here? The bull**** that is fed to the fans is disgraceful.

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Duhon and Jefferies have no business playing anymore. Jared is not going to suddenly convince a team he can play offense. Hughes has looked good on both sides of the ball and chandler is better suited to play power foward in this offense to create a mis match. Duhon doesn't push the ball, he can't shoot the ball, he can't defend. So why the **** is he playing. This offense is predicated on ball movement and speed. I don't see Duhon getting others involved outside of lee in fact driving to the basket and never being aggressive only hurts the offense.

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11/24/2009  10:10 AM
Olbrannon wrote:
martin wrote:
cooch2584 wrote:douglas and hughes=perimeter defense nuff said so that we dont get behind early in the first qt look at the stats we dont have a lane presense to block shots so hughes and douglas would stop the drive COME ON IT AINT BRAIN SURGERY HERE

and what about getting others involved? Duhon still does it much better than Douglas and for Hughes to a lesser extent.

Sorry Martin...Douglas has a different style. He makes the other team defend the perimeter and that opens up the inside game. Perhaps D'Antoni and Douglas can find a blend but apparently D'A doesn't trust him yet. He still considers himself a rookie. My take is he scored 23 the other game I'm coach I say "He jsut earned his stripes...he doesn't fetch for you vets anymore" He has to have a better basis to take on a leadership role. It is a complicated dynamic. Some of it must come from the player some from coach ...but in the end he has to have teammates willing to follow him.

wasn't trying to fault Douglas, just point it out. I am interested to see how Toney progresses as a PG over the years.

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11/24/2009  10:31 AM
I think it is obvious TD needs to start, but I am not going to trip about. MDA is concerned about losing the veterans this early in the season, so he is trying not to rely on Hill and TD. Plus, I don't think he trust TD just yet to run his offense. I suspect that in March, when it is clear the season is over and the vets start to just go through the motions, we will start to see more of TD and Hill. As long as MDA gives them heavy minutes for a good 15-20 games at the end of the season, they should progress nicely for next season.
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11/24/2009  11:17 AM
so we are going to lose 50 or 60 games or more then decide to put the rooks in?? That just doesnt make any sense
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11/24/2009  11:18 AM
We all know that dudu doesnt know how to runa fast break, and TD is a whip with speed.The ssol offense is built on speed and dudu doesnt have it,never did ,never will
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11/24/2009  11:33 AM
cooch2584 wrote:We all know that dudu doesnt know how to runa fast break, and TD is a whip with speed.The ssol offense is built on speed and dudu doesnt have it,never did ,never will

ssol offense is also built upon decision making from the PG spot.

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11/24/2009  11:52 AM
martin wrote:
cooch2584 wrote:We all know that dudu doesnt know how to runa fast break, and TD is a whip with speed.The ssol offense is built on speed and dudu doesnt have it,never did ,never will

ssol offense is also built upon decision making from the PG spot.

Once again, we know dude doesn't know how to run a fast break.

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11/24/2009  12:16 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
martin wrote:
cooch2584 wrote:We all know that dudu doesnt know how to runa fast break, and TD is a whip with speed.The ssol offense is built on speed and dudu doesnt have it,never did ,never will

ssol offense is also built upon decision making from the PG spot.

Once again, we know dude doesn't know how to run a fast break.

for some reason he did for the first half of last year. Obviously either his body or his confidence is broke.

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11/24/2009  12:28 PM
so do we wait until his broken confidence is unbroke and kill TDs time and lose ____ fill in the blank,how many games
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11/24/2009  12:39 PM
and if his body is broke how is that fixed??
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11/24/2009  12:42 PM
When there is young and healthy body(TD) sitting on the bench waitng to take over that pg spot. Look I know we all dont know if TD can run the point but he can hit the shot,provide perimeter defense, and to me, he knows what hes doing when hes in there. He hasta get a chance
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11/24/2009  3:30 PM
cooch2584 wrote:so we are going to lose 50 or 60 games or more then decide to put the rooks in?? That just doesnt make any sense

it's all about development

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11/24/2009  3:44 PM
TMS wrote:
cooch2584 wrote:so we are going to lose 50 or 60 games or more then decide to put the rooks in?? That just doesnt make any sense

it's all about development

As I said in the prior post cooch, MDA does not want to lose his veterans this early in the season. The rooks will get playing time in the last 30 games or so, once it is clear the season is over. But for now, MDA is only going to give them spot minutes. His focus is on developing Gallo and Chandler right now and he has done a piss-poor job at that IMO.

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11/24/2009  3:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/24/2009  5:40 PM
TheGame wrote:
TMS wrote:
cooch2584 wrote:so we are going to lose 50 or 60 games or more then decide to put the rooks in?? That just doesnt make any sense

it's all about development

As I said in the prior post cooch, MDA does not want to lose his veterans this early in the season. The rooks will get playing time in the last 30 games or so, once it is clear the season is over. But for now, MDA is only going to give them spot minutes. His focus is on developing Gallo and Chandler right now and he has done a piss-poor job at that IMO.

trust me i know exactly what MDA is gonna do... that's why i called BS on their comments a couple days ago when we passed on AI... this is not really about developing the young guys

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