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11/23/2009  12:26 PM
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fishmike wrote:lol.. but money talks and bad contracts walk. Bottom line is this deal saves Houston a whole lot of money.

Bottom line is Curry will help them and they lose a headache player they have no use for.

If they can do better than go for it... but the Knicks are one of the few teams that can offer them $12mm in savings this year.

Now buy me a pint, and I will finish it

Bottom line... Huston will may think about it for just expiring (Like Larry, Al, Mobley, Darko, Duhon combination).
But if Eddy or JJ will be mentiond, forget about it...

only way I consider giving them the Mobely contract for TMac and just expirings like you mentioned is if I get their first rounder back. Thats worth the $7-$8mm in savings that trade gets them. Otherwise no thanks.

if you include the Mobley contract into the equation and try to maximize Houston savings:

Houston receives $19M in contracts
NY receives $23M in contracts (TMac)

A trade like this works cause $19M * 125% = $23+

Savings: $4M in contract difference, $4M in luxury savings. And I think like 80% of Mobley contract ($10M) is covered by insurance: ~$8M. That's $16M total.

HUGE for a team like Houston.

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11/23/2009  12:34 PM
martin wrote:
fishmike wrote:
arkrud wrote:
fishmike wrote:lol.. but money talks and bad contracts walk. Bottom line is this deal saves Houston a whole lot of money.

Bottom line is Curry will help them and they lose a headache player they have no use for.

If they can do better than go for it... but the Knicks are one of the few teams that can offer them $12mm in savings this year.

Now buy me a pint, and I will finish it

Bottom line... Huston will may think about it for just expiring (Like Larry, Al, Mobley, Darko, Duhon combination).
But if Eddy or JJ will be mentiond, forget about it...

only way I consider giving them the Mobely contract for TMac and just expirings like you mentioned is if I get their first rounder back. Thats worth the $7-$8mm in savings that trade gets them. Otherwise no thanks.

if you include the Mobley contract into the equation and try to maximize Houston savings:

Houston receives $19M in contracts
NY receives $23M in contracts (TMac)

A trade like this works cause $19M * 125% = $23+

Savings: $4M in contract difference, $4M in luxury savings. And I think like 80% of Mobley contract ($10M) is covered by insurance: ~$8M. That's $16M total.

HUGE for a team like Houston.

yea.. GMs/owners dont scoff at saving their team/franchise $16mm. Not to mention there is a pretty good upside to this trade for them.

Can I drink now?

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11/23/2009  12:38 PM
fishmike wrote:Can I drink now?

why did you stop?

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11/23/2009  12:56 PM
martin wrote:
fishmike wrote:Can I drink now?

why did you stop?


I fell asleep
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11/23/2009  1:11 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/23/2009  1:19 PM
Wouldn't they be better off trading for Jermaine Oneal? They could play T-Mac at SF and throw Wade a bone.

that said, Hughes and Darko for T-mac works by the numbers

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11/23/2009  1:16 PM
martin wrote:
fishmike wrote:
arkrud wrote:
fishmike wrote:lol.. but money talks and bad contracts walk. Bottom line is this deal saves Houston a whole lot of money.

Bottom line is Curry will help them and they lose a headache player they have no use for.

If they can do better than go for it... but the Knicks are one of the few teams that can offer them $12mm in savings this year.

Now buy me a pint, and I will finish it

Bottom line... Huston will may think about it for just expiring (Like Larry, Al, Mobley, Darko, Duhon combination).
But if Eddy or JJ will be mentiond, forget about it...

only way I consider giving them the Mobely contract for TMac and just expirings like you mentioned is if I get their first rounder back. Thats worth the $7-$8mm in savings that trade gets them. Otherwise no thanks.

if you include the Mobley contract into the equation and try to maximize Houston savings:

Houston receives $19M in contracts
NY receives $23M in contracts (TMac)

A trade like this works cause $19M * 125% = $23+

Savings: $4M in contract difference, $4M in luxury savings. And I think like 80% of Mobley contract ($10M) is covered by insurance: ~$8M. That's $16M total.

HUGE for a team like Houston.

But that savings this year is offset by the extra year commitment to Curry, which would mean $11M in salary in 2010-11 where McGrady would be off their books. It means more like $5M in savings with Curry's 2010-11 salary factored in, plus they're stuck with Curry for that year who they probably don't want. And it gives them far less flexibility in 2010-11.

The biggest factor in this trade - they trade for Curry they have no cap room this summer. They just sit tight and keep McGrady they have $11M in cap room this summer and a young nucleus and Yao coming back.

Why on EARTH would they not opt for $11M in cap room? come on, guys.

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11/23/2009  1:17 PM
as of dec 8th according to forbes houston is the 6th most profitable franchise in the nba valued at $469 million. seems they are doing well enough to balk at taking on curry's extra year
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11/23/2009  1:27 PM
Rookie wrote:Wouldn't they be better off trading for Jermaine Oneal? They could play T-Mac at SF and throw Wade a bone.

that said, Hughes and Darko for T-mac works by the numbers

Jermaine Oneil is having a great year for the Heat. He's averaging 15/7 on 57% shooting and blocking some shots as well. Heat are 8-5. Why would they trade for McGrady, a guy they dont need at all, and who would only take shots away from guys like Beasley (3) and Wade (2). Makes zero sense
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11/23/2009  1:33 PM
McK1 wrote:as of dec 8th according to forbes houston is the 6th most profitable franchise in the nba valued at $469 million. seems they are doing well enough to balk at taking on curry's extra year

they are not taking on anything. Thats the point. The total savings is $16mm. So even after Curry's + $11mm the following year the Rockets are still saving $5mm. More importantly they are saving money immeditatly. In a year where they are probably not going to make the playoffs and have Yao out for the year it gets them out of the luxury tax.

McK1... which part of this doesnt make sense? They save money. They get a player that can help them. They lose a player they want to move on from.

And just because the franchise is doing well means they shouldnt make a trade that would save them money? I think this trade improves their basketball team

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11/23/2009  1:36 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/23/2009  1:37 PM
fishmike wrote:
Rookie wrote:Wouldn't they be better off trading for Jermaine Oneal? They could play T-Mac at SF and throw Wade a bone.

that said, Hughes and Darko for T-mac works by the numbers

Jermaine Oneil is having a great year for the Heat. He's averaging 15/7 on 57% shooting and blocking some shots as well. Heat are 8-5. Why would they trade for McGrady, a guy they dont need at all, and who would only take shots away from guys like Beasley (3) and Wade (2). Makes zero sense

because he is a playmaker on both sides of the ball and a guy who can make shots from tip-off to buzzer which is something their coach and more importantly Dwayne Wade just called out the heats young players in the press about

The call for urgency and accountability from Heat coach Erik Spoelstra after three consecutive losses has fallen on young ears.

Second-year players Michael Beasley and Mario Chalmers will no longer get passes for inconsistent performances because of their youth and inexperience. They are being challenged to turn promise and potential into consistent production.

That's the message going into Sunday's home game against New Orleans as the Heat looks to end a three-game losing streak and halt a stretch of poor defense.

Spoelstra never mentioned players specifically by name during a postgame media session that seemed more like an emotional state-of-the-team address after Friday's 120-113 loss against Toronto.

But after seeing Beasley and Chalmers combine for 51 points, 13 rebounds, five assists and four steals during a rally from 23-point deficit that came up just short, Spoelstra is demanding effort from start to finish.

``I have to step back and look at everything objectively,'' Spoelstra said as he measured his team's uninspired play in the first half against the energy, urgency and grit that finally arrived down the stretch. ``It's a collective thing. It's being reliable every single possession to your teammates, to our system, to our identity. It can't just be during certain pockets of the game.''

DEFENSIVE LAPSES

Beasley performed up to the standards of a No. 2 overall pick by finishing with 21 points and 12 rebounds for his second double-double of the season. But even that performance came in the midst of several defensive lapses and blown assignments that left coaches and teammates offering corrections in Beasley's ear during timeouts.

``Coach is 100 percent right,'' Beasley said. ``I haven't been able to put it all together, and that's what I've got to do to help the team.''

Chalmers will try to carry his momentum from Friday's second half into Sunday. He had 24 of his career-high 30 points in the second half after he was a non-factor the opening two quarters.

While it might be natural to defer to Dwyane Wade's dominant role, Chalmers said he could no longer take a passive approach with his playmaking duties.

``They're always telling me to be more aggressive, more aggressive, more aggressive,'' Chalmers said of Wade and Spoelstra. ``I have to start from the jump and not wait too long to get into the flow of things. I have to take this game and build on it.''

`GROWING PAINS'

Wade has tried to be patient through what he frequently refers to as the team's ``growing pains'' early in the season. Wade already has told Beasley that the 6-9 versatile power forward is too talented to continue making the same mistakes in games.

Wade needs Chalmers to step up, too. Chalmers took 11 shots in the second half Saturday and also had seven free-throw attempts. There have been 10 games this season when Chalmers hasn't attempted more than nine field goals overall.

``For a young player, that kind of game can set you off,'' Wade said. ``It can give you that confidence. You need these games to show that you can really do this.

``Not saying he needs to try to score 30 a night, but we need him to be that aggressive.''

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11/23/2009  1:39 PM
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Rookie wrote:Wouldn't they be better off trading for Jermaine Oneal? They could play T-Mac at SF and throw Wade a bone.

that said, Hughes and Darko for T-mac works by the numbers

Jermaine Oneil is having a great year for the Heat. He's averaging 15/7 on 57% shooting and blocking some shots as well. Heat are 8-5. Why would they trade for McGrady, a guy they dont need at all, and who would only take shots away from guys like Beasley (3) and Wade (2). Makes zero sense

Don't know if Miami would be interested, but do you think they can beat Boston, Cleveland, Orlando and Atlanta with what they have?

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11/23/2009  1:40 PM
where in that article does it indicate anything that would make the Heat want to move Oneil? And Beas was the #1 or #2 pick. Really think they are going to pull the plug on him now for McGrady? We dont even know if TMac can play.

Doesnt make any sense dude

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11/23/2009  1:44 PM
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fishmike wrote:
Rookie wrote:Wouldn't they be better off trading for Jermaine Oneal? They could play T-Mac at SF and throw Wade a bone.

that said, Hughes and Darko for T-mac works by the numbers

Jermaine Oneil is having a great year for the Heat. He's averaging 15/7 on 57% shooting and blocking some shots as well. Heat are 8-5. Why would they trade for McGrady, a guy they dont need at all, and who would only take shots away from guys like Beasley (3) and Wade (2). Makes zero sense

Don't know if Miami would be interested, but do you think they can beat Boston, Cleveland, Orlando and Atlanta with what they have?

not likley no.. but McGrady isnt going to change that. In fact losing Oneil is clearly a step backward.
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11/23/2009  1:49 PM
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McK1 wrote:as of dec 8th according to forbes houston is the 6th most profitable franchise in the nba valued at $469 million. seems they are doing well enough to balk at taking on curry's extra year

they are not taking on anything. Thats the point. The total savings is $16mm. So even after Curry's + $11mm the following year the Rockets are still saving $5mm. More importantly they are saving money immeditatly. In a year where they are probably not going to make the playoffs and have Yao out for the year it gets them out of the luxury tax.

McK1... which part of this doesnt make sense? They save money. They get a player that can help them. They lose a player they want to move on from.

And just because the franchise is doing well means they shouldnt make a trade that would save them money? I think this trade improves their basketball team

they aren't saving money if they have to take on curry's contract. add his 11 mil next yr with a re-signed scola and they are back in the luxury tax.

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11/23/2009  1:50 PM
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McK1 wrote:as of dec 8th according to forbes houston is the 6th most profitable franchise in the nba valued at $469 million. seems they are doing well enough to balk at taking on curry's extra year

they are not taking on anything. Thats the point. The total savings is $16mm. So even after Curry's + $11mm the following year the Rockets are still saving $5mm. More importantly they are saving money immeditatly. In a year where they are probably not going to make the playoffs and have Yao out for the year it gets them out of the luxury tax.

McK1... which part of this doesnt make sense? They save money. They get a player that can help them. They lose a player they want to move on from.

And just because the franchise is doing well means they shouldnt make a trade that would save them money? I think this trade improves their basketball team

they aren't saving money if they have to take on curry's contract. add his 11 mil next yr with a re-signed scola and they are back in the luxury tax.

regardless of what happens or who they sign they are saving $5mm if they make that trade.
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11/23/2009  1:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/23/2009  1:54 PM
fishmike wrote:where in that article does it indicate anything that would make the Heat want to move Oneil? And Beas was the #1 or #2 pick. Really think they are going to pull the plug on him now for McGrady? We dont even know if TMac can play.

Doesnt make any sense dude

you asked why would they be interested in mcgrady? the article clearly explains why...he is something beasley and chalmers aren't: at a level to to make the game easier for Wade.

helping Wade win games is > important to Miami than spending gametime having Beasley prove he can be the number two option. he is under contract regardless and has many more years to go.

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11/23/2009  1:57 PM
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McK1 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
McK1 wrote:as of dec 8th according to forbes houston is the 6th most profitable franchise in the nba valued at $469 million. seems they are doing well enough to balk at taking on curry's extra year

they are not taking on anything. Thats the point. The total savings is $16mm. So even after Curry's + $11mm the following year the Rockets are still saving $5mm. More importantly they are saving money immeditatly. In a year where they are probably not going to make the playoffs and have Yao out for the year it gets them out of the luxury tax.

McK1... which part of this doesnt make sense? They save money. They get a player that can help them. They lose a player they want to move on from.

And just because the franchise is doing well means they shouldnt make a trade that would save them money? I think this trade improves their basketball team

they aren't saving money if they have to take on curry's contract. add his 11 mil next yr with a re-signed scola and they are back in the luxury tax.

regardless of what happens or who they sign they are saving $5mm if they make that trade.

save 5 mil this year then pay 22 mil next year (net loss = 17 million) for a guy with as many weight + injury + playing issues as Curry. me a lowly messaageboard suscriber can see this, I'm quite sure the people who get paid to crunch the numbers for Houston have recognized this as well

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11/23/2009  2:04 PM
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martin wrote:
fishmike wrote:
arkrud wrote:
fishmike wrote:lol.. but money talks and bad contracts walk. Bottom line is this deal saves Houston a whole lot of money.

Bottom line is Curry will help them and they lose a headache player they have no use for.

If they can do better than go for it... but the Knicks are one of the few teams that can offer them $12mm in savings this year.

Now buy me a pint, and I will finish it

Bottom line... Huston will may think about it for just expiring (Like Larry, Al, Mobley, Darko, Duhon combination).
But if Eddy or JJ will be mentiond, forget about it...

only way I consider giving them the Mobely contract for TMac and just expirings like you mentioned is if I get their first rounder back. Thats worth the $7-$8mm in savings that trade gets them. Otherwise no thanks.

if you include the Mobley contract into the equation and try to maximize Houston savings:

Houston receives $19M in contracts
NY receives $23M in contracts (TMac)

A trade like this works cause $19M * 125% = $23+

Savings: $4M in contract difference, $4M in luxury savings. And I think like 80% of Mobley contract ($10M) is covered by insurance: ~$8M. That's $16M total.

HUGE for a team like Houston.

But that savings this year is offset by the extra year commitment to Curry, which would mean $11M in salary in 2010-11 where McGrady would be off their books. It means more like $5M in savings with Curry's 2010-11 salary factored in, plus they're stuck with Curry for that year who they probably don't want. And it gives them far less flexibility in 2010-11.

The biggest factor in this trade - they trade for Curry they have no cap room this summer. They just sit tight and keep McGrady they have $11M in cap room this summer and a young nucleus and Yao coming back.

Why on EARTH would they not opt for $11M in cap room? come on, guys.

I think you make the deal for Jeffries, who makes about 4 million less than Curry. If they took Jeffries, I would even give them a second rounder. That deal frees u up to sign two max players and if Curry actually plays well this year, you now have a center for next season.

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11/23/2009  2:06 PM
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fishmike wrote:
McK1 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
McK1 wrote:as of dec 8th according to forbes houston is the 6th most profitable franchise in the nba valued at $469 million. seems they are doing well enough to balk at taking on curry's extra year

they are not taking on anything. Thats the point. The total savings is $16mm. So even after Curry's + $11mm the following year the Rockets are still saving $5mm. More importantly they are saving money immeditatly. In a year where they are probably not going to make the playoffs and have Yao out for the year it gets them out of the luxury tax.

McK1... which part of this doesnt make sense? They save money. They get a player that can help them. They lose a player they want to move on from.

And just because the franchise is doing well means they shouldnt make a trade that would save them money? I think this trade improves their basketball team

they aren't saving money if they have to take on curry's contract. add his 11 mil next yr with a re-signed scola and they are back in the luxury tax.

regardless of what happens or who they sign they are saving $5mm if they make that trade.

save 5 mil this year then pay 22 mil next year (net loss = 17 million) for a guy with as many weight + injury + playing issues as Curry. me a lowly messaageboard suscriber can see this, I'm quite sure the people who get paid to crunch the numbers for Houston have recognized this as well

I'm sorry.. maybe your confused? Curry makes $11mm next year.

The Rockets are over $30mm away from the tax next year. Add Curry and they are $19mm away from it. How much money is it going to take to sign Scola? Its not even debatable... Houston is nowhere near the tax next year

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11/23/2009  2:11 PM
fishmike wrote:
McK1 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
McK1 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
McK1 wrote:as of dec 8th according to forbes houston is the 6th most profitable franchise in the nba valued at $469 million. seems they are doing well enough to balk at taking on curry's extra year

they are not taking on anything. Thats the point. The total savings is $16mm. So even after Curry's + $11mm the following year the Rockets are still saving $5mm. More importantly they are saving money immeditatly. In a year where they are probably not going to make the playoffs and have Yao out for the year it gets them out of the luxury tax.

McK1... which part of this doesnt make sense? They save money. They get a player that can help them. They lose a player they want to move on from.

And just because the franchise is doing well means they shouldnt make a trade that would save them money? I think this trade improves their basketball team

they aren't saving money if they have to take on curry's contract. add his 11 mil next yr with a re-signed scola and they are back in the luxury tax.

regardless of what happens or who they sign they are saving $5mm if they make that trade.

save 5 mil this year then pay 22 mil next year (net loss = 17 million) for a guy with as many weight + injury + playing issues as Curry. me a lowly messaageboard suscriber can see this, I'm quite sure the people who get paid to crunch the numbers for Houston have recognized this as well

I'm sorry.. maybe your confused? Curry makes $11mm next year.

The Rockets are over $30mm away from the tax next year. Add Curry and they are $19mm away from it. How much money is it going to take to sign Scola? Its not even debatable... Houston is nowhere near the tax next year

ACORDING TO HOOPSHYPE THE ROCKETS ARE AT 39 MIL WITHOUT THE OPTIONS ON HAYES AND DORSEY. You'll have a tough time even convincing yourself they don't pick up at last Hayes 2.3 mil option. The cap is projected to be in the low to mid 50's. Scola will re-sign for 8-10 mil easy. Curry's 11 mil will take them over.
11 mil for his salary + 11 mil for lux tax = 22 mill.

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