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oohah
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11/21/2009  12:27 AM
nixluva wrote:
I can't believe you wrote this! MDA not an innovator? According to who, you?

According to the Paul Westhead coached Loyola Marymount and Nuggets teams.

According to Rick Pitino.

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11/21/2009  12:30 AM
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:I have no problem with letting the young Knicks work things out and I hope that they get playing time. My problem is with the coach and a system that is not adjusted to its roster or opponents. I think Alvin Gentry is a horrible coach and should never have anything other than interim or assistant in front of his name but he is very successful with Nash and Amare. D'Antoni is not a good coach or an innovator. He is so rigid in his system that he cannot make the adjustments needed to help his players win. He talks about defense but his defense is based on good individual defenders like Raja Bell making plays. Coaches game plan, they don't go out with the same plan for every team and they adjust to their roster.

I can't believe you wrote this! MDA not an innovator? According to who, you? The best coaches in the game would beg to differ with you. The best players in the game who learned from him on the Olympic team would disagree with you. Man his defense is a very effective and complimentary concept to his offense. What book was written about an offense you came up with?


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nixluva
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11/21/2009  1:52 AM
Well I'm sorry to inform you but you don't know what the he'll you're talkin about. MDA is like every other coach that needs good players to win. He was able to get this team to play hard last year even tho they lost they tried hard. This year has started off badly but it's far from over. If he can get this team to play better will he suddenly be a great coach in your eyes?
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11/21/2009  2:17 AM
martin wrote:
djsunyc wrote:darko's ass is glued to the bench. that's on d'antoni for playing F'd up rotations.

Hahn did remark on that in one of his posts this post week... seemed to indicate that Darko was very happy being on the end of the bench and/or could care less. Dude practically has sign on his neck saying that he wants to go to Europe.

Probably right. I thought he might step things up once he got here-knowing that he was playing for a future spot in the NBA and a town that would seem to be a good fit for him, but there has been no fire or attitude in his game since he got here.

Add his lack of defensive intensity to a complete lack of an outside game, and you can understand why he is on the bench.

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11/21/2009  7:35 AM
good players make bad coaches look good
good coaches make bad players look good
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11/21/2009  10:18 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/21/2009  10:19 AM
djsunyc wrote:
martin wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:I think Adelman recognizes that he has to game plan for each team to give his team an opportunity to win. I think they know that they have to work hard on both ends of the court and get easy baskets when they can. I think D'Antoni relies on a 'system' and the game plan doesn't change day to day or with personnel. Adelman is coaching to win. D'Antoni is refusing to change and adjust. The game plan is the same for every team. What frustrates me is that he is getting a free pass despite his inability to coach, adjust, hold players accountable, play both ends of the floor etc. I know that his face shows that he is pained by losing but so does my face every night I watch the Knicks and every time I see him speak. Is Alvin Gentry a good coach or is it Steve Nash, Amare and company? D'Antoni sucks @ss in my opinion and I wish he would be held accountable.

d'antoni has been such a disspointment to me. i thought this guy was awesome and wanted him in toronto. but it's really obvious that without nash, the guy doesn't even look like an average coach. nash is gonna give alvin gentry the same rep as d'antoni at this rate.

what talent does MDA have? Lakers go 34-48 in 2004-2005. They have Kobe (66 games), Caron Butler, Odom, aging Bryan Grant. Definitely a tougher Western Conference but they still have one of the BEST players one their roster in Kobe. 34 wins. And Butler is a budding all-star on that team that year. 2 more than a hapless team MDA coached last year. Knicks may scrape 30-35 wins out this year.

You can't win without talent. Now, the players seem to have bailed, and I am thinking that MDA and Walsh want to play the vets to trade them and they know it.

To argue that MDA has been a bad coach you also have to argue that he has enough talent to win, which in itself is a losing proposition to do.

again, i have not once talked about winning. i know you need talent to win. but down 20 every game is not acceptable.

How many times did the Larry Brown team fall behind early, get blown out, etc. That team had more talent than this team.....Marb, Craw, Q, Curry, Frye, Lee, Nate, Davis, Barnes etc.....But Brown gets a pass and MDA just flat out sucks, right? BS. Speaking of Nash, he became a two-time MVP when he joined MDA. Nash doesn't get all the credit.

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11/21/2009  10:32 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/21/2009  10:33 AM
Uptown wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
martin wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:I think Adelman recognizes that he has to game plan for each team to give his team an opportunity to win. I think they know that they have to work hard on both ends of the court and get easy baskets when they can. I think D'Antoni relies on a 'system' and the game plan doesn't change day to day or with personnel. Adelman is coaching to win. D'Antoni is refusing to change and adjust. The game plan is the same for every team. What frustrates me is that he is getting a free pass despite his inability to coach, adjust, hold players accountable, play both ends of the floor etc. I know that his face shows that he is pained by losing but so does my face every night I watch the Knicks and every time I see him speak. Is Alvin Gentry a good coach or is it Steve Nash, Amare and company? D'Antoni sucks @ss in my opinion and I wish he would be held accountable.

d'antoni has been such a disspointment to me. i thought this guy was awesome and wanted him in toronto. but it's really obvious that without nash, the guy doesn't even look like an average coach. nash is gonna give alvin gentry the same rep as d'antoni at this rate.

what talent does MDA have? Lakers go 34-48 in 2004-2005. They have Kobe (66 games), Caron Butler, Odom, aging Bryan Grant. Definitely a tougher Western Conference but they still have one of the BEST players one their roster in Kobe. 34 wins. And Butler is a budding all-star on that team that year. 2 more than a hapless team MDA coached last year. Knicks may scrape 30-35 wins out this year.

You can't win without talent. Now, the players seem to have bailed, and I am thinking that MDA and Walsh want to play the vets to trade them and they know it.

To argue that MDA has been a bad coach you also have to argue that he has enough talent to win, which in itself is a losing proposition to do.

again, i have not once talked about winning. i know you need talent to win. but down 20 every game is not acceptable.

How many times did the Larry Brown team fall behind early, get blown out, etc. That team had more talent than this team.....Marb, Craw, Q, Curry, Frye, Lee, Nate, Davis, Barnes etc.....But Brown gets a pass and MDA just flat out sucks, right? BS. Speaking of Nash, he became a two-time MVP when he joined MDA. Nash doesn't get all the credit.

he was already an all-star all-nba and more importantly a winner when he joined phoenix. he got put in an offense that maximized his talents. that doesn't mean MDA made him an MVP. His command of that team is what made him one.

its like Drew Brees...all people will remember is the gaudy stats in New Orleans but his development first taste of winning and post season football and and first two pro bowl caliber season happened in San Diego under Schottenheimer.

the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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