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TheGame
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11/20/2009  11:03 AM
This sucks. AI would have at least been entertaining. Now I have to watch this train wreck for the next 4 months. Thanks Walsh. Oh and good luck getting Lebron this summer.
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11/20/2009  11:07 AM
Moonangie wrote:Another smart move from Donnie "Mr. Patience" Walsh. Would have been a fool's errand to sign AI for all the impatient Knicks fans who want to be entertained and in so doing hinder the development of the youthful core. Sure, it will be painful to watch us lose so much (although it's possible we will get on a run and do as well as last year) but TD, Gallo, Chandler and Hill will get a lot more experience and confidence this way. We don't need another character distraction on this team. AI still has mad game, but he is only a leader in the sense of the pied piper, and we don't need any help finding the edge of the cliff. We walked right off that edge back in Zeke's tenure.

Big ups to DW and MDA for making the smart choice and not being cowed by the angry mob. There will be better times in New York hoops, and the time draws near. It's just not going to be in 2009.

This was not the smart move. The smart move would have been signing AI, who would have won us about 10 more games, and try to get this team back to something resembling a respectable record. Wins create interest in the team. INterest in the team makes our pieces look better. Thus, our chances of trading Curry and Jeffries increase. Plus, AI and Lebron have the same agent, so you start the process of building up a good relationship with Lebron's agent. If you could clear space, you could add Lebron and Bosh and resign AI. Signing AI was the move to make. As long as you let him start, you were not going to have any problems out of him.

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11/20/2009  11:19 AM
I still have faith in Donnie and believe he will help turn this franchise around, however, he really has to deliver in FA because so far, he has made some questionable moves.

I don't think this is the right decision, but I hope Donnie ends up being right. Hopefully we can establish Curry and ship him out for expirings.

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11/20/2009  11:23 AM
Everyday I hate this team a little bit more
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11/20/2009  11:27 AM
Wow, a smart move from Walsh and Co! Or should I say non-move?

TheGame - Iverson would have won the Knicks ten more games? Come on dude, we're all just picking numbers out of the air but that is crazy. Iverson helps the Knicks win maybe 3-4 more games, or maybe 0 more games. Because the Knicks suck and + Iverson they still suck. Having Iverson score points doesn't add so many points as much as it subtracts points from other players.

If the Knicks say they want to rebuild etc. Then they should have the balls to do it. I give them props for sticking to their guns.

What I do agree with you on is that it would have given us a reason to read about the Knicks if not necessarily watch them play. We could have read about Iverson cursing out D'Antoni, not practicing, all that good stuff.

But again, not signing Iverson was probably the smartest move they made since not signing Lee and Robinson to long-term contracts.

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11/20/2009  11:28 AM
Cookdcokehop wrote:Everyday I hate this team a little bit more

LOL I am almost inclined to agree

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11/20/2009  11:38 AM
Well however it works out the deal is still the same. We still have to get this team playing respectable ball and develope our kids. Ai could help and it also could be a distraction of he didn't. We can focus on TD and Nate giving us much of what AI would give us. It was risky but I understand the temptation.

TD and Nate are lite versions of AI in a sense. If we get them going it can have a similar positive effect without the risk. It's how I felt going into this so I'm not bothered by the change of heart. To me Curry's continued development was a bigger factor for us. We can somewhat approximate what AI brings but Curry gives us something we just didn't have at all.

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11/20/2009  11:47 AM
I wonder how all of this media stuff works sometimes. Are writers just pulling "90%" out of their colons?

The man may be called the Answer but I think there were just too many questions with him. How good is he still, how will the chemistry with his teammates, coaches & brass go, etc. I just don't think D'Antoni is the type of coach that could deal with him, so maybe that's more of an indictment of .

So let's just stay in the lane and figure out how we can build on the defensive spark we showed in the 2nd half of the Pacers game. Let's see if we can get something out of our youths.

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11/20/2009  11:50 AM
Curry returning may provide a bigger boost than AI could have IMO
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11/20/2009  12:06 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/20/2009  12:08 PM
****officially hops off the Donnie Walsh bandwagon****

****hitches a ride with a toothless redneck in a pick up truck****

****as I glance back, I see a confederate flag and a KKK hood resting in the bed of the truck****

****gives an Al Bundy, 'it cant get any worse' frown as we pull off****

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11/20/2009  12:12 PM
oohah wrote:Wow, a smart move from Walsh and Co! Or should I say non-move?

TheGame - Iverson would have won the Knicks ten more games? Come on dude, we're all just picking numbers out of the air but that is crazy. Iverson helps the Knicks win maybe 3-4 more games, or maybe 0 more games. Because the Knicks suck and + Iverson they still suck. Having Iverson score points doesn't add so many points as much as it subtracts points from other players.

If the Knicks say they want to rebuild etc. Then they should have the balls to do it. I give them props for sticking to their guns.

What I do agree with you on is that it would have given us a reason to read about the Knicks if not necessarily watch them play. We could have read about Iverson cursing out D'Antoni, not practicing, all that good stuff.

But again, not signing Iverson was probably the smartest move they made since not signing Lee and Robinson to long-term contracts.

oohah

WTF??!! You think the difference between AI and Duhon is just 3-4 games. Duhon has cost us 3-4 games in just the first 10 games. We have the worst starting PG in the league BY A WIDE MARGIN.

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11/20/2009  12:12 PM
This really points to being a directive from Little Jimmy.

I don't really care either way to be honest. If we got him, great.

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11/20/2009  12:18 PM
I voted against getting AI - but there was a part of me that wanted the excitement. That's the difference between IT and Walsh - no cheap thrills. IT kept getting your hopes up (or at least given you a reason to delude yourself) and then you'd crash down after each high. Walsh is playing it straight and now we're on a long drawn out hopeless low with only the future to look forward to. Hopefully, it's delayed gratification.
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11/20/2009  12:29 PM
have to admit i am disappointed. i wanted ai only to watch this team agin because right now there is nothing, and i mea NOTHING, good to watch with this team. it seemed like they were regressing and people pointed to the last game but they again had to come back from a big deficit. if we lose tomorrow against nj, whcih is more likely, to give them their first win of the season, how much egg in the face would it cause for the organization? however, i understand the "plan" and trying to be patient but this was basically a risk free move that eleviated pressure from our young players to perform. it also will show if we have the necessary talent to surround a good player with.VERY disappointed.
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11/20/2009  12:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/20/2009  12:38 PM
TheGame wrote:
WTF??!! You think the difference between AI and Duhon is just 3-4 games. Duhon has cost us 3-4 games in just the first 10 games. We have the worst starting PG in the league BY A WIDE MARGIN.

No, the difference between Duhon and Iverson is quite considerable. But the entire team is horrible. Iverson is a scoring machine, not a guy who is going to make the team so much better. He doesn't make teams better, he puts up big numbers. See the difference? That is why nobody wants him.

The Knicks are terrible. Adding 10 games would make them really bad instead of terrible. Knicks + Iverson = Terrible, not "really bad".

I still don't see how you think adding Iverson simply winds up with the Knicks winning 10 more games. It doesn't add up. He doesn't carry teams like that anymore. That's the past.

It's wishful thinking. It's false hope. This is exactly the reason the Knicks considered signing Iverson in the first place, to bamboozle fans who cannot deal with the reality of how bad this team really is. To pacify them and kill time.

But if you insist on believing Iverson is the kind of player who improves teams, show me how much better Iverson made Detroit...or did they get worse when he arrived?

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11/20/2009  12:54 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:I'm sorta impressed in a way that Dolan had some restraint here. In reality, we have Nate... he very well may be as good or better than the current AI and functions much the same way in the offense.

If you take a deep breath and look at this team, you might as well just let Nate heal up and give him the same role.

a fully healthy Nate is not as good as AI, not even close.

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11/20/2009  12:56 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/20/2009  12:58 PM
jazz74 wrote:have to admit i am disappointed. i wanted ai only to watch this team agin because right now there is nothing, and i mea NOTHING, good to watch with this team. it seemed like they were regressing and people pointed to the last game but they again had to come back from a big deficit. if we lose tomorrow against nj, whcih is more likely, to give them their first win of the season, how much egg in the face would it cause for the organization? however, i understand the "plan" and trying to be patient but this was basically a risk free move that eleviated pressure from our young players to perform. it also will show if we have the necessary talent to surround a good player with.VERY disappointed.

i feel the exact same way, but i had a feeling from the start that Donnie wouldn't sign AI... just made too much sense for him to pull the trigger... if this was Anthony Robersuck he'd be signed to a multiyear contract right about now... oh wait, that already happened

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11/20/2009  1:04 PM
Hey if you get more PT for TD and Nate I guarantee they can put up more in combination than AI would. The big diff is end of game situations. They're both more middle of the game players. The Diff that AI makes is in being a proven crunchtime performer.

I disagree with oohah on one major point. The Knicks aren't necessarily terrible. I think they've had a collective slump and we've seen these very same players play at a higher level than they currently have been. Most of the guys are below their career avg's and I don't expect that to continue. Over the course of a season the mediocre to bad teams are gonna play up and down and sometimes go on streaks. The Knicks just happened to have their bad streak to start the year, but I do believe they'll play better and reach the level they were supposed to be at. AI or not, this team has more ability than it's shown. I don't know if Duhon will ever get it going but we've got other guys that can step up. AI would've at least removed Duhon from a prominent role.

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11/20/2009  1:11 PM
ALL HAIL WALSH, FAUX KNICK FANS-- TO THE GALLOWS
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11/20/2009  1:22 PM
TMS wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:I'm sorta impressed in a way that Dolan had some restraint here. In reality, we have Nate... he very well may be as good or better than the current AI and functions much the same way in the offense.

If you take a deep breath and look at this team, you might as well just let Nate heal up and give him the same role.

a fully healthy Nate is not as good as AI, not even close.

You're going to have to excuse him for his god awful posting.

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