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If Curry Plays Well Should We Keep Him?
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franco12
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11/19/2009  4:58 PM
I think TMS and I had posted similar over on the Eddy is back thread:

Do I want Eddy over Amare or Bosh?

And while Amare and Bosh are both probably better all around players, I'd rather have Curry at $11MM for just one more year than to sign 2 max players, especially when one is Amare or Bosh.

I think both are overrated and not worth the $15MM per and 5 years that they will take up.

Signing 2 max FA in 2010 shoots our load and commits us, for better or for worse, to those two players, with not much room to add a supporting cast.


Keep Eddy, and if we add a player in 2010, then see how the team develops.

There is no instant win with a random group of stars brought together. Think of the year Malone and Payton tried to buy their way to a championship. No one thought they would lose, but they did.

And then when Curry's deal is over, we might be positioned for Dwight or someone else.

Insta-builds tend not to work. At least the ones I've seen here in NYC have left me jaded.

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11/19/2009  5:00 PM
nixluva wrote:I'm not saying that you don't take a deal in order to move him early, but I am saying that I don't think there's gonna be any takers out there for Curry. His contract is still too big and the economy is still bad. No buyers out there so we end up with Curry still here in 2010.

He is going to have to do more to entice a team to take a chance.

However, what I do see happening is maybe a team being able to offer a 5M 2010 and a 5M 2011 contract to trade us for Curry's 2011. That is also something you jump on immediately. IMMEDIATELY!

So, I do believe there is hope here. I do hope Curry puts it together and has a good end to his career but I'm not banking on it so in the near term, if this is one of Eddy's spurts of good play and health, we need to capitalize on this as soon as possible.

Let's reverse: Imagine if we were another team and the Knicks were offering us Jared Jeffries and Cuttino Mobley for Eddy Curry? YOU JUMP ON THAT IMMEDIATELY, right?

You just cut 5M 2010 salary...and can now pay TWO max FAs.

Yep.

No delusions of "Maybe Eddy has finally gotten it and will be the monster he could be for us!"

Noooooooo..no no no. No more of that. Nope.

Someone comes calling? You pack his fat ass into a box and ship it out priority mail.

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11/19/2009  5:17 PM
I'm jus axin

The Game - If you are an opposing NBA General Manager please state the reasons you are eager to deal for Eddy Curry.

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11/19/2009  5:28 PM
Cosmic, if Curry plays well it won't be hard to get a 1st rounder for him. It would depend on the team of course and how well he is playing, but big agile centers are few and far in between. If he plays 20 and 10 ball (He was doing that when he was fat) then A LOT of teams that could use a real center will want him, especially if they have a defensive presence next to him. A big center who can put up a lot of points and REQUIRES a double team, even with his deficiencies is going to garner attention.

I'm not saying the above cause Eddy is a knick, I'd say it even if he wasn't. He only has one more year after this. To a good team, that could really put them over the top. To a bad team, that can put them in the playoffs and the risk is only 1 year (after this).

I say we really raise his value up. Let the guy play for 1 or 2 months at a good level.
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11/19/2009  5:30 PM
misterearl wrote:I'm jus axin

The Game - If you are an opposing NBA General Manager please state the reasons you are eager to deal for Eddy Curry.

We have to see how the next 15 games or so play out. If Curry scores 15-16 pts a game, can grab a few rebounds, and can manage to not turn the ball over every other play, interest in him will grow. He is a legit center with above average post skills that has only one more year left on his contract. For a team in the right cap situation, it is a low risk move.

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11/19/2009  5:41 PM
TheGame wrote:
misterearl wrote:I'm jus axin

The Game - If you are an opposing NBA General Manager please state the reasons you are eager to deal for Eddy Curry.

We have to see how the next 15 games or so play out. If Curry scores 15-16 pts a game, can grab a few rebounds, and can manage to not turn the ball over every other play, interest in him will grow. He is a legit center with above average post skills that has only one more year left on his contract. For a team in the right cap situation, it is a low risk move.

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11/19/2009  5:56 PM
If we do get rid of curry, and basically dump him for nothing but an ending contract, and we don't cash in in 2010 free agents, then what do we have for 2010/11 in terms of a roster/talent?
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11/19/2009  5:59 PM
franco12 wrote:If we do get rid of curry, and basically dump him for nothing but an ending contract, and we don't cash in in 2010 free agents, then what do we have for 2010/11 in terms of a roster/talent?

cap space to sign someone in 2011, or to make a mid season trade where we can take on a contract w/o worrying about matching up dollar figures... it gives the franchise extreme flexibility to get things done, something we don't necessarily have right now... getting rid of Curry's contract opens up so many different possibilities that it should be our #1 main priority at this point... we need to get him playing at a high level again & get someone interested so we can unload his contract before the trade deadline this year.

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11/19/2009  6:00 PM
franco12 wrote:I think TMS and I had posted similar over on the Eddy is back thread:

Do I want Eddy over Amare or Bosh?

And while Amare and Bosh are both probably better all around players, I'd rather have Curry at $11MM for just one more year than to sign 2 max players, especially when one is Amare or Bosh.

I think both are overrated and not worth the $15MM per and 5 years that they will take up.

Signing 2 max FA in 2010 shoots our load and commits us, for better or for worse, to those two players, with not much room to add a supporting cast.


Keep Eddy, and if we add a player in 2010, then see how the team develops.

There is no instant win with a random group of stars brought together. Think of the year Malone and Payton tried to buy their way to a championship. No one thought they would lose, but they did.

And then when Curry's deal is over, we might be positioned for Dwight or someone else.

Insta-builds tend not to work. At least the ones I've seen here in NYC have left me jaded.

If we got Lebron and Bosh, I go for that. We can let Darko play center and get by. Not sold on Amare due to his numerous injuries. I agree that a wait and see approach might be best but if we get Lebron, he is going to want immediate upgrades, so we would have to sign either Bosh or Amare.

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11/19/2009  6:06 PM
If we absolutely cleared the slate and went into 2010 and then nobody signed with us it would be pretty hilarious for one thing, but it won't happen. There are about 6 teams that will end up with any kind of decent cap space, so we'll end up with something even if we sign moderate dudes to big one year deals.
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11/19/2009  6:32 PM
If he stays healthy, keeps his weight under control, and contributes up to his potential, I don't see why we'd trade him. However, I do get where some of you are coming from. You basically don't trust Curry to do those things, so you'd rather trade him and get value for him before he falls apart again (probably after he gets a new contract somewhere).
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11/19/2009  7:10 PM
Lebron want his scottie pippen.

Curry doesn't fit the bill. Neither does Bosh, for that matter.

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11/19/2009  7:49 PM
curry is a better fit on another team and his contract is reasonable so anything we can do to stay on the plan should include dumping him with no regreat even if he turns into an allstar somewhere else. We do what we do with a plan and move on.

Eddy plays well it make him marketable.

Eddy is dump, and we all feel better after a good one!

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11/19/2009  7:58 PM
I don't know about this. The rational part of me wants to dump him at all costs. The more idealist part wants to give him a chance because of the amount of work he put into getting back in shape. If we keep him across 2011 will we be able to resign him to a substantially lower amount for later on? Infact if we give him a contract extension now (much lower than 11M) can we get out of the last year of the existing contract. I suspect I am letting my ignorance of contract rules show here. But I never claimed to understand these things..
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11/19/2009  8:27 PM
No. Curry needs to be moved as soon as possible.
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11/19/2009  10:10 PM
Cosmic wrote:
nixluva wrote:I'm not saying that you don't take a deal in order to move him early, but I am saying that I don't think there's gonna be any takers out there for Curry. His contract is still too big and the economy is still bad. No buyers out there so we end up with Curry still here in 2010.

He is going to have to do more to entice a team to take a chance.

However, what I do see happening is maybe a team being able to offer a 5M 2010 and a 5M 2011 contract to trade us for Curry's 2011. That is also something you jump on immediately. IMMEDIATELY!

So, I do believe there is hope here. I do hope Curry puts it together and has a good end to his career but I'm not banking on it so in the near term, if this is one of Eddy's spurts of good play and health, we need to capitalize on this as soon as possible.

Let's reverse: Imagine if we were another team and the Knicks were offering us Jared Jeffries and Cuttino Mobley for Eddy Curry? YOU JUMP ON THAT IMMEDIATELY, right?

You just cut 5M 2010 salary...and can now pay TWO max FAs.

Yep.

No delusions of "Maybe Eddy has finally gotten it and will be the monster he could be for us!"

Noooooooo..no no no. No more of that. Nope.

Someone comes calling? You pack his fat ass into a box and ship it out priority mail.


exactly!

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11/20/2009  1:44 AM
BasketballJones wrote:If he stays healthy, keeps his weight under control, and contributes up to his potential, I don't see why we'd trade him. However, I do get where some of you are coming from. You basically don't trust Curry to do those things, so you'd rather trade him and get value for him before he falls apart again (probably after he gets a new contract somewhere).

Or... he goes to another team, continues his healthy ways, and puts up nice numbers for the next 5/6 years while people around here bemoan the fact that we let him go when we might have given him another chance.

If we trade him at because his game and life have come around to the point where he remains healthy on and off the court and another team is interested in him, I would hope that we could get something for him that can help the team, and not just dump him because of his contract. I would play him hard the rest of the year and see if he holds up and contributes against the best competition, and if he excels, thing about keeping him.

I only wish he had worked on passing from the post with the same gusto he went about losing weight this time.

He also have long way to go to prove himself.

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11/20/2009  2:00 AM
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misterearl wrote:Yes

The Knicks should definitely keep Eddy Cuury until that moment a 6'11 replacement is ready to step in and man up in the paint. Jordan Hill is a work in progress and potentially three to four years away from reaching his prime.

TheGame - an expiring AND a first rounder?

If you are an opposing NBA General Manager please state the reasons you are eager to make that deal?

C'mon Man!

Well, I am not talking about a lottery pick. The 1st rounder would probably be between 18-30, and if Curry plays well, I could see someone desperate for some post scoring taking a chance on him.

We all know that the Duhon-Lee pick and roll will be exposed sooner rather than later. The die is cast. He's heere thru at least this season. We may as well get the best use out of him. Now JJ is another matter.

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11/20/2009  8:04 AM
let me ask you guys a simple question. Eddy makes $11mm next year. Your a GM. You need someone who can score in the post at high %. A big guy that can put opposing frontcourts in foul trouble and get you points in the paint when the jumpers arent falling. Not a star, but somneone that can give you 20-25 minutes a night at score at 55%.

Where are you getting that guy? Who is that player?

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11/20/2009  9:53 AM
The same place as you get the guy who'll turn it over about 5 times a game, won't rebound, and has an adjusted +/- of -16.
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