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fishmike
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11/19/2009  9:57 AM
Marv wrote:no thanks. take the first offer for an expiring. i'd much rather take a chance with more free agent dollars next year than i would with eddy curry.
if he stays healthy and plays well, even in small spurts like he did tonight Eddy has excellent value IMO and should fetch an expiring contract and combo of picks and players.

The one that makes the most sense to me is Curry and Mobely for Tracy McGrady and the Rocket's #1 (around 15-20). I think that makes a lot of sense for both teams.

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11/19/2009  10:15 AM
fishmike wrote:
Marv wrote:no thanks. take the first offer for an expiring. i'd much rather take a chance with more free agent dollars next year than i would with eddy curry.
if he stays healthy and plays well, even in small spurts like he did tonight Eddy has excellent value IMO and should fetch an expiring contract and combo of picks and players.

The one that makes the most sense to me is Curry and Mobely for Tracy McGrady and the Rocket's #1 (around 15-20). I think that makes a lot of sense for both teams.

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11/19/2009  10:21 AM
fishmike wrote:
Marv wrote:no thanks. take the first offer for an expiring. i'd much rather take a chance with more free agent dollars next year than i would with eddy curry.
if he stays healthy and plays well, even in small spurts like he did tonight Eddy has excellent value IMO and should fetch an expiring contract and combo of picks and players.

The one that makes the most sense to me is Curry and Mobely for Tracy McGrady and the Rocket's #1 (around 15-20). I think that makes a lot of sense for both teams.

I think Curry CAN play his way into a trade that nets us at least partial expirings (like maybe cutting him down to two players, 1 5M 2011, 1 5M 2010.).

We won't get picks from anyone looking to take Eddy off our hands and help us cut salary. Curry, Chandler, Nate might get us TMac and the Rockets #1 though....since we'd be giving up some talent in return.

From what I understand: Mobley will not be tradeable shortly....as he will come off our books one year after retirement (december 11th) which is four days before he could be packaged with Lee or Nate (december 15th) in any potential trade.

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11/19/2009  10:24 AM
martin wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Marv wrote:no thanks. take the first offer for an expiring. i'd much rather take a chance with more free agent dollars next year than i would with eddy curry.
if he stays healthy and plays well, even in small spurts like he did tonight Eddy has excellent value IMO and should fetch an expiring contract and combo of picks and players.

The one that makes the most sense to me is Curry and Mobely for Tracy McGrady and the Rocket's #1 (around 15-20). I think that makes a lot of sense for both teams.

prays

in a lot of ways thats a way better trade for the Rockets than the Knicks. If Curry has turned his career around, and its certainly possible as this looks like the best shape he's been in in his adult life he's a bigtime commodity. If the Rockets get Curry for a broken McGrady and a late first rounder thats a coup for them.

Knicks will never get fair value for what Curry represents. Best thing is probably to cut their losses and move on.

The other option is to stick with Eddy for the year. If he's having a great comeback year and you dont get blown away with a deadline deal might be best to wait.

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11/19/2009  10:27 AM
Cosmic wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Marv wrote:no thanks. take the first offer for an expiring. i'd much rather take a chance with more free agent dollars next year than i would with eddy curry.
if he stays healthy and plays well, even in small spurts like he did tonight Eddy has excellent value IMO and should fetch an expiring contract and combo of picks and players.

The one that makes the most sense to me is Curry and Mobely for Tracy McGrady and the Rocket's #1 (around 15-20). I think that makes a lot of sense for both teams.

I think Curry CAN play his way into a trade that nets us at least partial expirings (like maybe cutting him down to two players, 1 5M 2011, 1 5M 2010.).

We won't get picks from anyone looking to take Eddy off our hands and help us cut salary. Curry, Chandler, Nate might get us TMac and the Rockets #1 though....since we'd be giving up some talent in return.

From what I understand: Mobley will not be tradeable shortly....as he will come off our books one year after retirement (december 11th) which is four days before he could be packaged with Lee or Nate (december 15th) in any potential trade.


We are getting fleeced in that trade, I wouldnt do it. Not if Curry is playing well. If Curry is playing well of the bench he's a bigtime commodity. Teams are going to notice him very quickly. 6'11 posst players that score in the paint. Dude.. thats a bigtime chip.
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11/19/2009  10:27 AM
fishmike wrote:
martin wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Marv wrote:no thanks. take the first offer for an expiring. i'd much rather take a chance with more free agent dollars next year than i would with eddy curry.
if he stays healthy and plays well, even in small spurts like he did tonight Eddy has excellent value IMO and should fetch an expiring contract and combo of picks and players.

The one that makes the most sense to me is Curry and Mobely for Tracy McGrady and the Rocket's #1 (around 15-20). I think that makes a lot of sense for both teams.

prays

in a lot of ways thats a way better trade for the Rockets than the Knicks. If Curry has turned his career around, and its certainly possible as this looks like the best shape he's been in in his adult life he's a bigtime commodity. If the Rockets get Curry for a broken McGrady and a late first rounder thats a coup for them.

Knicks will never get fair value for what Curry represents. Best thing is probably to cut their losses and move on.

The other option is to stick with Eddy for the year. If he's having a great comeback year and you dont get blown away with a deadline deal might be best to wait.

We would have to hope we can trade him the days leading up to the draft (that little window you can make trades) or the moment Free Agency opens so we can cut our payroll in an attempt to lure TWO max players together.

Anyone offers us any form of cap relief for Curry - even if it's half relief (one player 5M 2010, another player 5M 2011) you JUMP on that and don't ask any questions.

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11/19/2009  10:29 AM
fishmike wrote:We are getting fleeced in that trade, I wouldnt do it. Not if Curry is playing well. If Curry is playing well of the bench he's a bigtime commodity. Teams are going to notice him very quickly. 6'11 posst players that score in the paint. Dude.. thats a bigtime chip.

Eddy Curry is, has been, and once again will be a disaster of a player. You're not really feeling a changed man theme here are you? He's had stretches where he's been in shape and played well over his career. No way you risk him going back to being a fatass. No way do you turn down any chance to gain more 2010 cap room.

If we can tell LeBron we can pair him with Bosh or Wade? Then our chances skyrocket of actually cashing in. If we tell LeBron we think Eddy is a changed man and we can maybe add a Stephen Jackson along with him? Our chances aren't that good of landing LeBron.

Don't let Eddy fool you. You jump the moment you can dump him.

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11/19/2009  10:34 AM
i'm shocked and pleasantly surprised with curry. keep it up, young buck! also shocked and pleasantly surprised that d'antoni went to him as often as he did.
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11/19/2009  10:35 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/19/2009  10:37 AM
The beauty of Eddy coming back in good shape is if he can be a valuable commodity for us off the bench (or as a starter as he gets back into game shape), then I think teams will take their chances on Eddy (like Fish is saying).

You have to remember, Curry has 1 year left after this season. So you have to believe teams would be thinking that they are not only getting the "good" Eddy for this season, but also for next season, when he will be in his contract year and have a stronger incentive than ever to deliver.

Not going to lie, I think we have a decent shot at being able to slide 2 max FA contracts across the table to Wade and LeBron and say "So you guys really want to play together?"

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11/19/2009  10:36 AM
crzymdups wrote:i'm shocked and pleasantly surprised with curry. keep it up, young buck! also shocked and pleasantly surprised that d'antoni went to him as often as he did.

I'm happy to see that because I was worried Mike would give him the quick hook if he had...lets say 3 TOs and 3 fouls in six trips up the court. Eddy has to play no matter how poorly he might play at times. He has to play through it.

Thinking is...that Mike was given the memo to just swallow his pride a bit and get Eddy going so we can work some free agent magic this coming summer. You tell any coach "Hey, I can get you TWO max FAs, not just one, but TWO to coach...as long as you make Eddy look like a star so we can trade him for cap space."

I can't think of many coaches who wouldn't change their gameplan to make it happen.

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11/19/2009  10:38 AM
I was happy to see Curry clumsily try to set a couple of picks instead of immediately camping in the post. Someone got through to him somewhat even though his execution of the play is still terrible.
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11/19/2009  10:41 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/19/2009  10:43 AM
Marv wrote:no thanks. take the first offer for an expiring. i'd much rather take a chance with more free agent dollars next year than i would with eddy curry.

I agree except I would demand an expiring and a 1st round pick from a team drafting 15 or higher. I know it is asking alot, but if Eddy can string together 10 good games, someone will bite. He is just too talented when in shape for a team not to take a chance on him.

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11/19/2009  10:42 AM
Cosmic wrote:I think Curry CAN play his way into a trade that nets us at least partial expirings (like maybe cutting him down to two players, 1 5M 2011, 1 5M 2010.).

We won't get picks from anyone looking to take Eddy off our hands and help us cut salary. Curry, Chandler, Nate might get us TMac and the Rockets #1 though....since we'd be giving up some talent in return.

From what I understand: Mobley will not be tradeable shortly....as he will come off our books one year after retirement (december 11th) which is four days before he could be packaged with Lee or Nate (december 15th) in any potential trade.

I wouldn't throw CHandler into that mix. He hasn't been great this year, but he's starting to show signs of life. He is a good shot blocker, defender, slasher, shooter. And he doesn't have that first big contract yet. Curry and N8 for Tmac and the 1st rounder. Let's get that done. The Rockets need Curry more than we do.

But he looked darn solid after such a long layoff. It will be hard to let him go in a way. He has big dude skills and has whipped himself into nice shape. If he blocks a few shots I might change my mind about him.

But having a 1st rounder, an expiring, and the $11 mil off the books for next season would go a LONG way toward making Lebron feel like coming to New York. It basically moves up our rebuilding by a season since we won't have to wait until 2011 for the second max FA. And we still have JJ coming off the books in 2011 for another big name second tier guy.

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11/19/2009  10:49 AM
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JesseDark wrote:The next thing needs to do is work on high/low game with Gallinari and Curry. This would the game easier for everyone.

Does actually work on stuff like that?

Everything suggest he doesn't. LOL. If I were D'antoni I'd look around the locker room and think back how Pitono gave his "Bird ain't walking throug the door Mchale ain't walking through the door" rant and have an ephinnay. "I've got to coach the team I have, not the team I want".
Then I'd think back in my mind and say "Riley didn't come here and force feed Showtime. He saw the strengths of the players and played them up."

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11/19/2009  10:55 AM
JesseDark wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:
JesseDark wrote:The next thing needs to do is work on high/low game with Gallinari and Curry. This would the game easier for everyone.

Does actually work on stuff like that?

Everything suggest he doesn't. LOL. If I were D'antoni I'd look around the locker room and think back how Pitono gave his "Bird ain't walking throug the door Mchale ain't walking through the door" rant and have an ephinnay. "I've got to coach the team I have, not the team I want".
Then I'd think back in my mind and say "Riley didn't come here and force feed Showtime. He saw the strengths of the players and played them up."


amen.

better get that epiphany going pretty quick. he got bailed out by some circus shots on 3-pointers last night, but the key to the 4th quarter was the difference when the team plays energized D and finds the open man under the basket vs when they’re running the idiotic 3-pt hoist offense.

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11/19/2009  11:00 AM
It was nice when the Pacer's threw the ball down into the post and our center (Eddy) was actually the same size as their post player.

I was so happy that Lee was standing there allowing Roy Hibbert to dance around him like David was standing in cement.

Eddy has a long way to go but he was at least servicable.

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11/19/2009  12:38 PM
LivingLegend wrote:It was nice when the Pacer's threw the ball down into the post and our center (Eddy) was actually the same size as their post player.

I was so happy that Lee was standing there allowing Roy Hibbert to dance around him like David was standing in cement.

Eddy has a long way to go but he was at least servicable.

THat really was the crazy thing. Curry was a huge upgrade defensively, simply because he takes up more space and is strong enough not to be backed down. It made a big difference in the second half.

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11/19/2009  12:54 PM
Anyone who is surprised that Eddy looked motivated should consider how much weight he lost, and how that takes motivation.

I don't want to deal him.

If Eddy is on his game, who is a better center than him that we are going to get?

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11/19/2009  1:38 PM
franco12 wrote:Anyone who is surprised that Eddy looked motivated should consider how much weight he lost, and how that takes motivation.

I don't want to deal him.

If Eddy is on his game, who is a better center than him that we are going to get?

if we can dump Eddy's contract it means we can realistically sign 2 max FA's this summer... u wouldn't rather have someone like Bosh or Amare over a healthy Eddy Curry?

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11/19/2009  2:17 PM
franco12 wrote:Anyone who is surprised that Eddy looked motivated should consider how much weight he lost, and how that takes motivation.

I don't want to deal him.

If Eddy is on his game, who is a better center than him that we are going to get?

If Eddy is on his game ?

He had 8 years to show if he has any game, and its pretty obvious he's not much of an impact player. The sooner you realize this the better.

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