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JohnWallace44
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11/17/2009  3:13 PM
You'd have to lose one prospect to get Monta.

Ellis - Gallo - Hill with any combination of our other players would be pretty crazy to watch though.

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11/17/2009  3:14 PM
MS wrote:A Duhon/Jefferies swap works. I'm not sure what kind of team player the guy is but he scores at will out there and you can't guard him.

I would hold onto chandler they appear to be in full dump mode. That's a pretty good talent and you are only adding 5 million to the cap next season so you are essentially signing him for the mid-level in that case.

Ellis-Douglas-Gallo-Chandler-Hill

Call me crazy but that doesn't look all that bad for a free agent looking to come here.

Let me say before Monta had his ankle problems --he looked like a mini Dwayne Wade--he shot over 50% avg more than 20 points and i think that was with 5 reb 4 a. He looks like he's starting to get over it. If they would be willing to take Curry--I would do it. He's a nice piece IF he is 100% healthy. He's young and very good. Also the contract doesnt go that far out.

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11/17/2009  3:15 PM
Curry & Chandler for Monta i'd do, but personally i'd rather get someone like Gerald Wallace or Okafor, we need a shotblocking presence (assuming those guys are even available for salary relief type deals)

Ellis is not a real PG anyway, if u need a scoring G u can simply sign AI right now... ur not gonna get Ellis for Fishlips & Duhon.

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11/17/2009  3:22 PM
TMS wrote:Curry & Chandler for Monta i'd do, but personally i'd rather get someone like Gerald Wallace or Okafor, we need a shotblocking presence (assuming those guys are even available for salary relief type deals)

Ellis is not a real PG anyway, if u need a scoring G u can simply sign AI right now... ur not gonna get Ellis for Fishlips & Duhon.

I think Monta is a unique player that's young and will get better. He's a 18/5.5/5.5 player that hasn't been shooting as well as he normally does--close to 50 percent. I think he could have an impact somewhere between Barbosa and Nash for . Think he's a perfect fit here. His contract looks suspect now but if he gets better it'll be steal

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11/17/2009  3:27 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
MS wrote:A Duhon/Jefferies swap works. I'm not sure what kind of team player the guy is but he scores at will out there and you can't guard him.

I would hold onto chandler they appear to be in full dump mode. That's a pretty good talent and you are only adding 5 million to the cap next season so you are essentially signing him for the mid-level in that case.

Ellis-Douglas-Gallo-Chandler-Hill

Call me crazy but that doesn't look all that bad for a free agent looking to come here.

Let me say before Monta had his ankle problems --he looked like a mini Dwayne Wade--he shot over 50% avg more than 20 points and i think that was with 5 reb 4 a. He looks like he's starting to get over it. If they would be willing to take Curry--I would do it. He's a nice piece IF he is 100% healthy. He's young and very good. Also the contract doesnt go that far out.

closer to the real Wade than a mini one. I remember seeing him in HS. I tuned into watch Lebron. The game after featured the other highest rated HS player who was Loius Williams. His team lost and he went head to head with another kid who was outstanding. I think Williams finished with 40 something. The other kid like 45 something. That kid was Monta Ellis.

If you can include either Curry or JJ you have to make that trade. Its a no brainer. He's got a really small wingspan but you live with it. He's awesome. Chandler and JJ yes. Maybe even Mobely and Chandler. Do it. Ship Duhon out. Huge upgrade. He can be a star

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11/17/2009  3:30 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:
TMS wrote:Curry & Chandler for Monta i'd do, but personally i'd rather get someone like Gerald Wallace or Okafor, we need a shotblocking presence (assuming those guys are even available for salary relief type deals)

Ellis is not a real PG anyway, if u need a scoring G u can simply sign AI right now... ur not gonna get Ellis for Fishlips & Duhon.

I think Monta is a unique player that's young and will get better. He's a 18/5.5/5.5 player that hasn't been shooting as well as he normally does--close to 50 percent. I think he could have an impact somewhere between Barbosa and Nash for . Think he's a perfect fit here. His contract looks suspect now but if he gets better it'll be steal

i'm just saying if i had a choice i'd rather get Wallace or Okafor & sign AI than just getting Ellis... obviously we're not in the driver's seat in any of these deals so who knows if we could even get any of those guys to begin with.

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11/17/2009  3:43 PM
TMS wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
TMS wrote:Curry & Chandler for Monta i'd do, but personally i'd rather get someone like Gerald Wallace or Okafor, we need a shotblocking presence (assuming those guys are even available for salary relief type deals)

Ellis is not a real PG anyway, if u need a scoring G u can simply sign AI right now... ur not gonna get Ellis for Fishlips & Duhon.

I think Monta is a unique player that's young and will get better. He's a 18/5.5/5.5 player that hasn't been shooting as well as he normally does--close to 50 percent. I think he could have an impact somewhere between Barbosa and Nash for . Think he's a perfect fit here. His contract looks suspect now but if he gets better it'll be steal

i'm just saying if i had a choice i'd rather get Wallace or Okafor & sign AI than just getting Ellis... obviously we're not in the driver's seat in any of these deals so who knows if we could even get any of those guys to begin with.

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11/17/2009  3:44 PM
TMS wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
TMS wrote:Curry & Chandler for Monta i'd do, but personally i'd rather get someone like Gerald Wallace or Okafor, we need a shotblocking presence (assuming those guys are even available for salary relief type deals)

Ellis is not a real PG anyway, if u need a scoring G u can simply sign AI right now... ur not gonna get Ellis for Fishlips & Duhon.

I think Monta is a unique player that's young and will get better. He's a 18/5.5/5.5 player that hasn't been shooting as well as he normally does--close to 50 percent. I think he could have an impact somewhere between Barbosa and Nash for . Think he's a perfect fit here. His contract looks suspect now but if he gets better it'll be steal

i'm just saying if i had a choice i'd rather get Wallace or Okafor & sign AI than just getting Ellis... obviously we're not in the driver's seat in any of these deals so who knows if we could even get any of those guys to begin with.

True and agreed. All I'm saying is if Ellis is available I'd back it completely

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11/17/2009  3:55 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/17/2009  3:56 PM
what teams have some cap room next year that won't attract the big dogs? those are the guys that should be targetting ellis. i wonder of colangelo is gangster enough to trade jose for monta...
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11/17/2009  6:11 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/17/2009  6:11 PM
ellis is a game breaker. Make the call Walsh. him and brandon wright for chandler nate and jeffries. nate may not veto a return to the left coast and he will definitely make up for what they lose in merchandising by shipping ellis.

as for Wright, if he can stay healthy he will be as close to Amare as far as scoring ability and efficiency that NY can get without overpaying for the real mccoy. and he plays better defense.

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11/17/2009  6:51 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/17/2009  6:53 PM
I am 100%, all for acquiring Ellis. How Don Nelson still has a job is unfathomable. According to The Mercury News , this was what the "headcase" was reacting to in the latest incident between Ellis and Nelson...

Multiple NBA sources have confirmed that Monta Ellis’ status with the Warriors could be determined Thursday, when his agent is scheduled to meet with team management in Oakland.

Several sources indicate that Ellis’ agent, Jeff Fried, already has discussed the possibility of the Warrriors giving Fried and Ellis permission to talk to other teams to quicken the pace of trade talks.

The Thursday meeting could formalize those general discussions. One source said that Fried tacitly has been given the go-ahead to try to come up with a trade, but that team president Robert Rowell may not yet have officially signed off on it.

(Al Harrington was given similar permission last year. It’s believed Stephen Jackson received tacit approval earlier this year.)

Rowell and GM Larry Riley apparently will represent Warriors management in this meeting.

Another source

(UPDATED:) Multiple sources say that, apparently at Don Nelson’s urging, the Warriors have been calling teams and offering to trade Ellis in recent days.

It is likely that their efforts will only intensify, barring some 11th-hour peace treaty. Ellis has four years and $44M owed to him after this season, but several sources say that he will be less difficult to trade than Stephen Jackson was.

And it seems inevitable that Ellis will be traded, presuming that Nelson remains in power, and every source I’ve talked to believes that Nelson will remain in power.

Ellis’ grievances with the Warriors date to their handling of punishment for his scooter accident and to concerns about Nelson’s commitment to him as a player and to Rowell’s decisions as the team’s No. 1 executive.

(Including personal promises made by Rowell to Ellis and Stephen Jackson at the end of last season that the Warriors would upgrade the roster significantly in order to make sure this year is not wasted.)

But the latest developments, reactions, and red-hot trade talk, stem from 2 recent events, one public, one not:

* Two sources say that Nelson embarrassed Ellis when Ellis tried to step into a leadership role in the aftermath of the 28-point home loss to the Clippers on Nov. 6.


The sources describe the scene in the post-game locker room: Ellis, as a co-captain, began loudly addressing to his teammates, telling them that this performance could not be tolerated.

But then Nelson came into the room and told Ellis to be quiet.

Speaking to reporters a few minutes later, Ellis was near-tears. A snippet…

-Q: Your coach said he was embarrassed by this game. Are you embarrassed?

-ELLIS: We all should be embarrassed. This is a terrible game, terrible performance. We looked like we didn’t know what we were doing out there. We looked like a high school team. We didn’t do nothing.

* The Clippers-game episode now sheds greater light on Ellis’ cryptic comments during his public verbal altercation with Nelson after a practice in New York last week.

First, in front of reporters, Ellis accused Nelson of blaming him for everything. When Nelson denied it and then walked away, waving his hands, Ellis said:

“See, that’s why I won’t do it. I just won’t do it.”

What did that mean? My read: Ellis was saying that whenever he tries to lead the team, it’s rendered meaningless because the coach and management disrupt everything.

Ellis has his own weaknesses and is far from a perfect player, but he is not wrong on this point.

When he sees how little Nelson cares about building a real team and sees the bumbling of Rowell & Co., Ellis is seeing the truth about the Warriors.

He’s living it. He’s not the ideal Nelson guard, and that has played out over a few years now. But Ellis is one of the more talented guards of his size in the NBA. However…

Like so many other players before him, he is realizing the hopelessness of life with Nelson, Rowell, Riley and Chris Cohan.

He wants out. Just like Stephen Jackson. Like Al Harrington. And, probably, like Anthony Randolph in a few months and Andris Biedrins and… well, you just name the good player. He wants out or soon will want out.

They all have an expiration date. It’s the Warriors. The only ones who stay are the fools, the corrupt and those with no other choice.

I am down with whatever it takes to get Ellis......

Wilson, Nate and Curry for Ellis and Claxton....Ellis and George for Jefferies, Duhon and Wilson.....Curry and Wilson for Ellis.....

Donnie, I am asking nicely. Please get it done.

Ellis can play a hybrid PG/SG like Wade's role in Miami with Toney playing point.

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11/17/2009  7:06 PM
The question is, can a Monta/Joe Johnson backcourt work?

Ellis with our group is still only good for 25 wins or so.

Sounds Isiah-ish, but the kid's got skills.

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11/17/2009  7:39 PM
Don Nelson is just pathetic. As a basketball coach and as man, or whatever you would call him.

Monta Ellis? Its a risk, but Im down. Especially after this Branden Jennings fiasco. It could be a nice shot in the arm for the franchise as we move forward. Securing Ellis is a much stronger bet than thinking we can somehow move Jeffries or Curry by the end of this year. At least that 11 million a year will go to good use.

Chandler + Curry or Jeffries should get 'er done.

Would make Nate Robinson completely expendable.

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11/17/2009  7:40 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:The question is, can a Monta/Joe Johnson backcourt work?

Ellis with our group is still only good for 25 wins or so.

Sounds Isiah-ish, but the kid's got skills.

What about a Monta/Bosh tandem?

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11/17/2009  7:46 PM
Monta is a tough call. Dude has a ton of talent and he would thrive in MikeD's offense, all of which has been said already. I just don't know how much you weigh his "off-court" issues or whatever you want to call it. Talent alone the dude is certainly worth it. If we could somehow get Randolph too I would trade my left nut to get the deal done. We can offer alot of cap and money relief to the warriors, which might be something they're interested in. I guess we'll find out.
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11/17/2009  8:06 PM
nyk4ever wrote:Monta is a tough call. Dude has a ton of talent and he would thrive in MikeD's offense, all of which has been said already. I just don't know how much you weigh his "off-court" issues or whatever you want to call it. Talent alone the dude is certainly worth it. If we could somehow get Randolph too I would trade my left nut to get the deal done. We can offer alot of cap and money relief to the warriors, which might be something they're interested in. I guess we'll find out.

Oye.....nyk, you just sent a bad touch chill down my spine. In any case, barring your left nut, I think in a deal for a player like Ellis, Randolph is really extraneous unless he is really viewed as a throw in by the GSW.

Seems to me Ellis is actually trying to be a leader but is being undercut by Nellie (I always HATED this schmuck). Every guy has made bad decisions as a youth, even guys like Wade (have you seen the things coming out about his divorce from a year ago? STD's anyone? Anyone?), Duncan (his constant on court wining to the refs), LeBron (I never even knew there were high school boosters!), Kobe (Really, I mean do I have to go there?). Hell even a basketball player with an immense reputation for professionalism, maturity, leadership, and as a stabilizing force like Bobby Phills-R.I.P.-was killed while racing his automobile.

All I am saying is youth is wasted on the young and everyone makes mistakes. Ellis tried out a moped, killed his Achilles, and lied about it to cover it up. Not saying it's OK, or right, or even justifiable, but it is what it is-a mistake by a what, 22 yr. old(at that time?).

Ellis is asking and even going the extra step TRYING to be a leader of a young team whose player's have no idea if they are gonna start or DNP-CD on any given night. And I mean all 15 of them.

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11/17/2009  9:14 PM
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...Amazing talent on offense.

As an added bonus-we may get to see Jennings score 50 pts at the garden on a regular basis with Ellis in our backcourt.

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11/17/2009  9:17 PM
randolph is not ready. wright is better, he is just fragila
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11/17/2009  9:41 PM
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11/17/2009  10:01 PM
McK1 wrote:ellis is a game breaker. Make the call Walsh. him and brandon wright for chandler nate and jeffries. nate may not veto a return to the left coast and he will definitely make up for what they lose in merchandising by shipping ellis.

as for Wright, if he can stay healthy he will be as close to Amare as far as scoring ability and efficiency that NY can get without overpaying for the real mccoy. and he plays better defense.


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