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BasketballJones
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djsunyc
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11/17/2009  9:57 AM
martin wrote:
djsunyc wrote:knicks should sign iverson b/c the season is lost anyway.

but there was alot of talk here about this year being about developing and the system. iverson comes in and it all changes. it will be about him scoring 30 ppg while the others try to play with him. do you guys know what you want?

none of the players are smart enough to run the system right now, so it's not really being run. So no big deal, right?

i agree. but people just argue stuff b/c they like to. there was a strong stance about development and system for the longest time. and the word patience. 1-9 and all that's out the window for iverson. there is no patience - that was all hot air.

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11/17/2009  10:00 AM
I honestly dont understand why some of you dont want AI. He would be a rent a pg/sg, wont take mins from TD and kick dudus butt to the side of the road. Him,TD,Nate not a bad rotation and lets not forget hes a HOFER. Are you kidding me?
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11/17/2009  10:02 AM
martin wrote:
djsunyc wrote:knicks should sign iverson b/c the season is lost anyway.

but there was alot of talk here about this year being about developing and the system. iverson comes in and it all changes. it will be about him scoring 30 ppg while the others try to play with him. do you guys know what you want?

none of the players are smart enough to run the system right now, so it's not really being run. So no big deal, right?

So let's discredit the system and the coaching staff altogether for some cheap thrills? Let's stunt the growth of the first rounders we do have for a couple of SportsCenter highlights? I'd rather see Gallo go off for 35 than A.I.

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11/17/2009  10:06 AM
djsunyc wrote:
martin wrote:
djsunyc wrote:knicks should sign iverson b/c the season is lost anyway.

but there was alot of talk here about this year being about developing and the system. iverson comes in and it all changes. it will be about him scoring 30 ppg while the others try to play with him. do you guys know what you want?

none of the players are smart enough to run the system right now, so it's not really being run. So no big deal, right?

i agree. but people just argue stuff b/c they like to. there was a strong stance about development and system for the longest time. and the word patience. 1-9 and all that's out the window for iverson. there is no patience - that was all hot air.

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martin wrote:
djsunyc wrote:knicks should sign iverson b/c the season is lost anyway.

but there was alot of talk here about this year being about developing and the system. iverson comes in and it all changes. it will be about him scoring 30 ppg while the others try to play with him. do you guys know what you want?

none of the players are smart enough to run the system right now, so it's not really being run. So no big deal, right?

So let's discredit the system and the coaching staff altogether for some cheap thrills? Let's stunt the growth of the first rounders we do have for a couple of SportsCenter highlights? I'd rather see Gallo go off for 35 than A.I.

Harrington doesn't fit the system nor will he ever get it. That's doesn't mean MDA and the coaching staff isn't trying to implement it the best they can nor does it mean that there is not player development. The addition of AI has nothing to do with player development or system. It has more to do with heart and scoring, both of which are also lacking on the team.

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11/17/2009  10:08 AM
DrAlphaeus wrote:
martin wrote:
djsunyc wrote:knicks should sign iverson b/c the season is lost anyway.

but there was alot of talk here about this year being about developing and the system. iverson comes in and it all changes. it will be about him scoring 30 ppg while the others try to play with him. do you guys know what you want?

none of the players are smart enough to run the system right now, so it's not really being run. So no big deal, right?

So let's discredit the system and the coaching staff altogether for some cheap thrills? Let's stunt the growth of the first rounders we do have for a couple of SportsCenter highlights? I'd rather see Gallo go off for 35 than A.I.

Amen. Rather lose 81 games playing our young guys and establishing a foundation for the future than bring in a career cancer who just flamed out of his last three teams to give us some cheap thrills.

You can't wait one more season? We didn't have enough of this Isiah Thomas logic already?? (Steph, Francis, Curry). We're still footing the bill for this stupid thinking, you want to stunt us even more with this pint-sized cancer?? Why? What the hell?

Why can't you just sit tight and wait this season out?

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11/17/2009  10:11 AM
cooch2584 wrote:I honestly dont understand why some of you dont want AI. He would be a rent a pg/sg, wont take mins from TD and kick dudus butt to the side of the road. Him,TD,Nate not a bad rotation and lets not forget hes a HOFER. Are you kidding me?

The issue isn't the minutes he takes away, the issue is shots.

People are saying, "well, Gallo isn't getting shots anyway". So, the correct solution is to get the man those shots! Not concede to the current reality.

Again, you can spread Duhon's minutes around. But how about hoping Duhon gets out of his funk and plays like he did the first half of last season? Hey, if he only has a 1/2 season in his tank, maybe it will be after the All-Star break this time and we end the season with some nice win streaks, leaving a positive taste in the league's mouth going into the FA market.

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11/17/2009  10:14 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/17/2009  10:15 AM
The issue isn't just shots, it's everything about him.

Think about how dysfunctional this team is right now. You think bringing in Iverson will do anything to foster some type of cohesion? You think Iverson is really the glue that will bring the Knicks together this season??

They might lose a lot of games without Iverson this year, but they will lose the same amount WITH Iverson this year, and all to the detriment of Gallo, Chandler, Douglas, etc....

Some say Gallo is being frozen out now, you think Iverson is going to take on a mentor role for the kid? I doubt it.

Get real.

And it matters not if the guy is a Hall of Famer. I don't know what that has to do with the argument. Micheal Joran is a hall of famer, would you want to sign him at this stage of his life? Same deal.

He's a hall of famer for what he did when he was younger, not for anything that he can bring to a team right now.

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11/17/2009  10:17 AM
orangeblobman wrote:YOU GOTTA BE FRICKIN' KIDDING ME.

I'm disappointed in all of you here, now, today. This guy is the cancer of all cancers. Why do you think NO ONE wants him???

Put it this way, would Iverson be on the Knicks if Isiah was here? uh...YEA.

WHEN IS ENOUGH ENOUGH?!?!?!

If Isiah was here, Iverson would be signed to a 5 year extention.......Its essentially a 70 game rental. I do see why some are up in arms about this. And how is Iverson a cancer? In no way is he in the boat as Marb if thats what you are thinking. This guy did lead a team to the finals, and was league mvp.

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11/17/2009  10:19 AM
the knicks have a great history of making moves that they think is adding that 1 missing piece.

AI in this system works how? We say Nate can't be a PG because he doesn't pass. What does AI do differently? And with baggage?

We have enough shooters shooting under 42%, do we need to add another volume shooter to the mix?

AI is finished. Kidd and Hill were different.

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11/17/2009  10:19 AM
martin wrote:Harrington doesn't fit the system nor will he ever get it. That's doesn't mean MDA and the coaching staff isn't trying to implement it the best they can nor does it mean that there is not player development. The addition of AI has nothing to do with player development or system. It has more to do with heart and scoring, both of which are also lacking on the team.

come on martin - signing iverson has to do with selling tickets/jerseys and throwing the towel in with this group.

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11/17/2009  10:20 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/17/2009  10:21 AM
martin wrote:The addition of AI has nothing to do with player development or system. It has more to do with heart and scoring, both of which are also lacking on the team.

If it's not about player development or system, then it would seem to be irrelevant for a rebuilding team, no?

It would be adding a heart that expires at the end of the year, and adding points/wins that won't get us into the playoffs. So how does this help us and not distract us from our main goal?

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11/17/2009  10:21 AM
Uptown wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:YOU GOTTA BE FRICKIN' KIDDING ME.

I'm disappointed in all of you here, now, today. This guy is the cancer of all cancers. Why do you think NO ONE wants him???

Put it this way, would Iverson be on the Knicks if Isiah was here? uh...YEA.

WHEN IS ENOUGH ENOUGH?!?!?!

If Isiah was here, Iverson would be signed to a 5 year extention.......Its essentially a 70 game rental. I do see why some are up in arms about this. And how is Iverson a cancer? In no way is he in the boat as Marb if thats what you are thinking. This guy did lead a team to the finals, and was league mvp.

What will Iverson do for the future of the Knicks if he is signed this season?

The only thing he will do is give the 'fans' some cheap thrills, a couple 30 point games, and a **** load of drama. These are the same 'fans' that sell out the Garden for a 23 win team

The only influence he can have on our young guys is a negative one, and his negative influence will still dangle over the heads of Gallo and Douglas, and whoever else stays.

This guy was NEVER about making his teammates better. Ever. And if we're building for the future, you can't bring someone in like this. If we're building for a cheap present, then do it, but that's not how you build a winning franchise.

If he is so great, so inspiring, why didn't he receive ANY interest from the other 27 teams in the league??? There's something there.

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11/17/2009  10:22 AM
djsunyc wrote:
martin wrote:Harrington doesn't fit the system nor will he ever get it. That's doesn't mean MDA and the coaching staff isn't trying to implement it the best they can nor does it mean that there is not player development. The addition of AI has nothing to do with player development or system. It has more to do with heart and scoring, both of which are also lacking on the team.

come on martin - signing iverson has to do with selling tickets/jerseys and throwing the towel in with this group.

there is no doubt that those things will also happen. But if it were overwhelmingly true, they would have signed him in the offseason.

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11/17/2009  10:24 AM
Please. Signing Iverson would only say ONE thing to the REAL Knicks fans-- we don't care about building a winning franchise, we just care about short-term ticket sales. This is a recipe for disaster, one that was followed by Isiah for about 7 years before Donnie came in. It didn't work then, how will it help now??

Why hire MDA and Walsh in the first place?? You keep Isiah if this is the type of franchise you enjoy watching every night. I don't.

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11/17/2009  10:26 AM
Uptown wrote:This guy did lead a team to the finals, and was league mvp.

And Larry Brown lead that team to the finals and got Detroit a championship, but we know how that worked here.

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11/17/2009  10:29 AM
I think we "fans" need a few cheap thrills. How does losing 80 games help with the players' development?
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11/17/2009  10:31 AM
BasketballJones wrote:I think we "fans" need a few cheap thrills. How does losing 80 games help with the players' development?

i think you just gave away your gamepicker picks...

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11/17/2009  10:32 AM
djsunyc wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:I think we "fans" need a few cheap thrills. How does losing 80 games help with the players' development?

i think you just gave away your gamepicker picks...

oh darn....

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11/17/2009  10:34 AM
How does adding Iverson in any way have ramifications which will last past this season? If he were to be signed it would only be for a one year deal. I see nothing wrong with renting him for the season to try and put some more wins up. If anything, I can see him being a boon to the development and contribution of Gallo and TD. If Iverson can get to the rim and kick out, that means open shots for Gallo. Provided I dont think Iverson takes the team into the playoffs, he at least makes them interesting for the time being. If this season is all that is at risk, what have we got to lose?
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11/17/2009  10:46 AM
If it means no more Duhon... DO IT
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