oohah wrote:nixluva wrote:oohah all you've got is jokes? Tell me what's so great about Bogut? He's not a 20/10 player, so what's so special about him? I think Gallo's gonna be a better player but of course he has to actually have a chance to play. Bogut has had time and he's been just OK, but i'm not gonna go crazy over what he's been. The idea is to try and get players that can help us win a title one day. It's not just about the stats they can put up. Redd is 30 and has only played in all 82 games once. Very good shooter, but is he a franchise player that we should be so excited about? Please! Who cares about right now anyway? This team we have isn't about right now, but the future. I'd like to see the entire season and then at least we can have some games to really make better assessments.
What about the Pacers? I think aside from Granger, we have more compelling talent going forward.
No Nixluva, All I have is hard evidence.
I can't argue with you. You have faith, but my opinions are formed by the actual evidence. Faith can say anything, but the evidence says otherwise. Just compare the Knicks player to player to just about every team, past or present career, and the Knicks are virtually the worst team in the NBA. Let's say bottom 3 - 5. You want to talk about "going forward"? Well that is just your hopes.
To answer 1 of your questions: what so great about Bogut etc.? Nothing, he's just better than any center we have by a long shot. Ditto Hibbert or Troy Murphy is better than Gallinari. Redd is more accomplished than any player the Knicks have whether or not he is in decline. Jennings is better than our PG (How's that for an understatement?). So are Ford and or Watson. Position by position we don't stack up, and our coach can only coach in one way. Gimme a break.
If deluding yourself into thinking the Knicks are better than they are, or that passing on Jennings for Hill is not a huge mistake helps you get through the day, suit yourself. Meanwhile I prefer to reside in reality no matter how ugly it may be.
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Talent and accomplishments are two different things. The thread was started with reference to TALENT and that would include draft picks who haven't actually had a chance 10 games in to accomplish much. So you have to go somewhat on faith based on the talent you see the player has. Right now Jennings is living on Talent cuz he hasn't played an entire season yet. Sure he's put up numbers, but he isn't the only guy to ever have a great start. Can the guy actually go thru a full season and our guys the same to see what they can do? Even then it's still gonna be early and you have to project forward.
Gallo has had a very good start but his game is also hampered by not having any good PG play. Jennings is a guard and as such he can call his own number whenever he likes it's just much easier for scoring guards to explode and put up numbers. Even TD on our team proves that point. We can see he can score, but what we NEED from him is to be a floor general and get assists. What's the diff between a Jamal Crawford and a Jennings really? We've seen high scoring Guards before, so what? I'm going to be curious to see how Jennings develops.
