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Bippity10
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11/18/2009  3:17 PM
nixluva wrote:
djsunyc wrote:winning is not the crux of this argument - it doesn't have enough talent to win.

but being competetive? that's another story.


I do believe that this is gonna turn around tho.

I'm with you on that. Think about it, next win we get and we actually will double our win total. Now that is a turnaround if I ever saw one.

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11/18/2009  3:20 PM
bip - what if they win the next two IN A ROW? then what will you say? some here think that 3-9 is a respectable place to be.
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11/18/2009  3:34 PM
djsunyc wrote:winning is not the crux of this argument - it doesn't have enough talent to win.

but being competetive? that's another story.

i dont disagree but when the heck were Larry Browns teams ever competetive? How about Isiahs teams? How often did they fall in a hole eary in the game?

We went through Larry Browns "play the right way" style...and we won 23 games. The team was in turmoil. We went through Isiahs "Ever changing system of the week." more losing more turmoil. Now we have MDA's system...still more losing more turmoil. The common denominator are the players. You guys can keep playing musical chairs with the coaches if you want, but the bottom line is the players...
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11/18/2009  3:38 PM
jimimou wrote:bip - what if they win the next two IN A ROW? then what will you say? some here think that 3-9 is a respectable place to be.

If we triple our win total I say D'Antoni is a lock for coach of the year

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11/18/2009  3:39 PM
Uptown wrote:
djsunyc wrote:winning is not the crux of this argument - it doesn't have enough talent to win.

but being competetive? that's another story.

i dont disagree but when the heck were Larry Browns teams ever competetive? How about Isiahs teams? How often did they fall in a hole eary in the game?

We went through Larry Browns "play the right way" style...and we won 23 games. The team was in turmoil. We went through Isiahs "Ever changing system of the week." more losing more turmoil. Now we have MDA's system...still more losing more turmoil. The common denominator are the players. You guys can keep playing musical chairs with the coaches if you want, but the bottom line is the players...

i think the coach takes the hit for keeping the guys that arent playing w effort on the floor too long. other than that, you're right, the larry teams, isiah teams and now mda's team all had the same MO - they lost most games before they even stepped on the court. much of the personnel is the same too - imho you wont clean up the effort/culture until those that are part of the 'no effort' era are all gone. yes that means david, yes that means nate too....
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11/18/2009  3:41 PM
jimimou wrote:
Uptown wrote:
djsunyc wrote:winning is not the crux of this argument - it doesn't have enough talent to win.

but being competetive? that's another story.

i dont disagree but when the heck were Larry Browns teams ever competetive? How about Isiahs teams? How often did they fall in a hole eary in the game?

We went through Larry Browns "play the right way" style...and we won 23 games. The team was in turmoil. We went through Isiahs "Ever changing system of the week." more losing more turmoil. Now we have MDA's system...still more losing more turmoil. The common denominator are the players. You guys can keep playing musical chairs with the coaches if you want, but the bottom line is the players...

i think the coach takes the hit for keeping the guys that arent playing w effort on the floor too long. other than that, you're right, the larry teams, isiah teams and now mda's team all had the same MO - they lost most games before they even stepped on the court. much of the personnel is the same too - imho you wont clean up the effort/culture until those that are part of the 'no effort' era are all gone. yes that means david, yes that means nate too....

Ahhhh, you guys are talking about the infection that Bip brought up during the "it's okay to quit because we hate LB" days. These past few years really harmed the development of Lee, Nate and Chandler.

I tried to warn you!!!!!!!!

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11/18/2009  3:46 PM
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jimimou wrote:
Uptown wrote:
djsunyc wrote:winning is not the crux of this argument - it doesn't have enough talent to win.

but being competetive? that's another story.

i dont disagree but when the heck were Larry Browns teams ever competetive? How about Isiahs teams? How often did they fall in a hole eary in the game?

We went through Larry Browns "play the right way" style...and we won 23 games. The team was in turmoil. We went through Isiahs "Ever changing system of the week." more losing more turmoil. Now we have MDA's system...still more losing more turmoil. The common denominator are the players. You guys can keep playing musical chairs with the coaches if you want, but the bottom line is the players...

i think the coach takes the hit for keeping the guys that arent playing w effort on the floor too long. other than that, you're right, the larry teams, isiah teams and now mda's team all had the same MO - they lost most games before they even stepped on the court. much of the personnel is the same too - imho you wont clean up the effort/culture until those that are part of the 'no effort' era are all gone. yes that means david, yes that means nate too....

Ahhhh, you guys are talking about the infection that Bip brought up during the "it's okay to quit because we hate LB" days. These past few years really harmed the development of Lee, Nate and Chandler.

I tried to warn you!!!!!!!!

ive never been a fan of those guys. i was and still am a larry lover. back then, if they got rid of steph and zeek and kept larry, the kicks would be in a whole different scenrio right now imo.
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11/18/2009  3:48 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/18/2009  3:54 PM
You have to remember, this team looked pretty good in the 1st half of last season when they were actually running D'Antoni's offense the way it was meant to be run. No, they weren't a contender or anything close, but it was beautiful basketball to watch and the team was competitive at least. In the 2nd half of last season, things just fell apart and I don't know what happened to bring that about.

Duhon is a large part of why it isn't working and when you think about it, his lackluster play in the 2nd half of last season also coincided with the drop of our offensive play overall. But still, I think everyone is accountable (including the coach). Maybe D'Antoni has to focus on his offense again because this team has completely forgot how to run the system the way it was meant to be fun.

I disagree with the notion that D'Antoni can't coach. I still think we overachieved last season and I think D'Antoni was a big part of that. I don't think there should be any talk of dismissing our coach until he is giving the players to succeed. Haven't we learned from the Larry Brown mess?

"This is a very cautious situation that we're in. You have to be conservative in terms of using your assets and using them wisely. We're building for the future." - Zeke (I guess not protecting a first round pick is being conservative)
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11/18/2009  4:05 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/18/2009  4:06 PM
jimimou wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
jimimou wrote:
Uptown wrote:
djsunyc wrote:winning is not the crux of this argument - it doesn't have enough talent to win.

but being competetive? that's another story.

i dont disagree but when the heck were Larry Browns teams ever competetive? How about Isiahs teams? How often did they fall in a hole eary in the game?

We went through Larry Browns "play the right way" style...and we won 23 games. The team was in turmoil. We went through Isiahs "Ever changing system of the week." more losing more turmoil. Now we have MDA's system...still more losing more turmoil. The common denominator are the players. You guys can keep playing musical chairs with the coaches if you want, but the bottom line is the players...

i think the coach takes the hit for keeping the guys that arent playing w effort on the floor too long. other than that, you're right, the larry teams, isiah teams and now mda's team all had the same MO - they lost most games before they even stepped on the court. much of the personnel is the same too - imho you wont clean up the effort/culture until those that are part of the 'no effort' era are all gone. yes that means david, yes that means nate too....

Ahhhh, you guys are talking about the infection that Bip brought up during the "it's okay to quit because we hate LB" days. These past few years really harmed the development of Lee, Nate and Chandler.

I tried to warn you!!!!!!!!

ive never been a fan of those guys. i was and still am a larry lover. back then, if they got rid of steph and zeek and kept larry, the kicks would be in a whole different scenrio right now imo.

We definitely would have been. We took the side of the wrong people back then. Hopefully we don't make the same mistake

-the original Larry lover

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11/18/2009  4:14 PM
larry brown got larry brown fired and it seems MDA is following the how to rob Dolan and not pull a gun playbook to a t. He isn't for here and now with the Hornets job opening up a first from NO to talk to D'Amphoney sounds like fair compensation.
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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11/18/2009  4:29 PM
Unlike Larry, MDA has a GM that isn't looking to scapegoat him or anything like that. Larry also had some guilt in that he was trying to get rid of Zeke. That whole thing had Dolan's hands all over it. Now that he's stepped back, I think things can eventually improve. The disease is still here but it's almost gone, by the end of 2011 we'll be completely healthy.

MDA has to get it going at some point. He can't hide behind the roster forever. There has to be some improvement eventually or else you can start to really bash MDA. I don't think anyone really could imagine this level of ineptitude from this team. To think most of the questions in preseason had to do with Gallo and the other young guys. Who knew that Gallo and TD would be the few good players we have so far.
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11/18/2009  4:44 PM
nixluva wrote:Unlike Larry, MDA has a GM that isn't looking to scapegoat him or anything like that. Larry also had some guilt in that he was trying to get rid of Zeke. That whole thing had Dolan's hands all over it. Now that he's stepped back, I think things can eventually improve. The disease is still here but it's almost gone, by the end of 2011 we'll be completely healthy.

MDA has to get it going at some point. He can't hide behind the roster forever. There has to be some improvement eventually or else you can start to really bash MDA. I don't think anyone really could imagine this level of ineptitude from this team. To think most of the questions in preseason had to do with Gallo and the other young guys. Who knew that Gallo and TD would be the few good players we have so far.

It's an infection, not a disease

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11/18/2009  4:58 PM
Bippity10 wrote:
nixluva wrote:Unlike Larry, MDA has a GM that isn't looking to scapegoat him or anything like that. Larry also had some guilt in that he was trying to get rid of Zeke. That whole thing had Dolan's hands all over it. Now that he's stepped back, I think things can eventually improve. The disease is still here but it's almost gone, by the end of 2011 we'll be completely healthy.

MDA has to get it going at some point. He can't hide behind the roster forever. There has to be some improvement eventually or else you can start to really bash MDA. I don't think anyone really could imagine this level of ineptitude from this team. To think most of the questions in preseason had to do with Gallo and the other young guys. Who knew that Gallo and TD would be the few good players we have so far.

It's an infection, not a disease

Sorry Mr. Bip Sir. INFECTION!
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