Daye looked good when he played. I'd take him based on his Summer League. He just needs to put on weight.

I predicted Griffo would have knee issues, that doesn't surprise me, but the dude has shown he can throw down.

PsychoT and Casspi are garbage man types. Casspi's doing great at that. Indiana just likes stockpiling white guys in case there's ever a shortage.

Clark and Johnson for the Bulls are guys in the Odom mold who showed promise too.

Not sure what all this means. Because player A is a bust at #8 doesn't have much to do with player B at #25.

We're fans of one of the worst teams in the league that has no backcourt players and we passed up on a bunch of them for a guy who got lit up in the Summer League by similar prospects in McGee/Thabeet, and has been stuck to the bench since.

Even if he plays solid ball, its hard to excuse passing on Derozan and Jennings or Williams for that matter.

TMS wrote:the point is pretty simple, i don't see why there's any confusion... if u consider Jordan Hill a bust already then i guess every other bigman taken in this draft is a bust too in your eyes... & if not then you're judging players using a double standard & a "grass is always greener" approach when it comes to other teams' prospects in comparison to our own... either way, i find it pretty comical how some of u guys have come to the conclusion that we whiffed on Jordan Hill after 4 friggin games he's played in.

I'm not worried about other teams though. Other teams failing isn't a consolation prize for me. I either wanted a player who could play or I wanted to trade the pick.

As to whiffing on Jordan Hill. Let's look at this carefully. We are 1-8. We have Fishlips, Curry (too fat to play), Darko (hated by coach for some reason), and our Lottery Pick can't get any burn?

Either the coach is insane (plausible) or the player (Hill) simply isn't any good. Maybe he will be some day but there is no room for a complete raw project player on this team. Besides, project players who have played a total of 3 years of basketball in their lives, well, I can't think of one that amounted to anything. Can you? I also don't want to hear that he'd be a good backup in 3-4 years so give him time. Who grooms a future backup?

So, well, the pick as of THIS MOMENT (read that, THIS MOMENT) is a disaster. Maybe it proves otherwise but honestly...he's shown nothing and he seems cool with it.

On the flip side look at Douglas. NBA ready - ALREADY - and his attitude is top notch. He wants to play and he wants to win.

Cosmic wrote:

I guess in hindsight we may say one day we should have risked Jennings, but, I wasn't convinced of him before the draft, and I'm not so sure about him now. Kind of a chucker at a poor % with a past history of poor attitude. Maybe he proves he can shake that off over time - thus - the future hindsight we might have of him. But for now, eh, I don't know.

there is no evidence of any of this.

his developmental coach inItaly lauded jennings for his attitude approach and work ethic despite the on court struggles he faced over there.

and thus far his percentages are 45.7% from 2 45.5% from 3 85.7% from the line...20.7ppg 5.2assts 4.3rebs 1.3stls...thats pretty damn impressive.

nixluva wrote:

McK1 wrote:drafting because of how well someone tss an athlete is as stupid as my raiders always drafting for speed. dhb in april over crabtree, macklin, harvin, or nicks...then jordan hill in june, it has not been a good year for the home team.

anyway, when you look at a prospect and ask yourself how will what he brings to the table benefit the other 4 guys on the court with him, hill screams more mikki moore than amare.

No one drafted Hill based solely on athletic ability. The point was made that he wasn't a special athlete and so I posted stats that show he is. Now he also has the ability to shoot the ball and block shots. What he doesn't have is something he can learn, which is an advanced understanding of the game and where he fits in.

On our team he is gonna be groomed to play an Amare type of role as a big that can play the high post and either pop or roll to the basket and finish. There are other aspects of the game he has to learn too. He's not a smart defender and he needs to learn how to pass as well, so that he can keep the offense fluid when he's in there.

I like what i've seen of him in his brief stints. Yeah he makes mistakes, but you can see the talent and how he'll eventually fit in.

how many people learn how to play after they get in the nba?
amare was who he was b4 mike d'antoni coached him. hill plays nothing like him.

I think every draft you go thru the woulda coulda stuff. Jennings was a bit of a mystery, cuz he didn't really show much in Europe and didn't look like he was ready. There's also the fact that he's got a bit of that bad attitude thing going. After the Steph drama, I don't think they looked forward to a similar scenario. It may not have been true, but the fear of that was strong. MDA wants a compliant and smart PG. He wants an extension of himself on the court. Jennings is more of an AI type IMO. I'm not looking back at the draft at this point. We can only hope our guys develop and reach their potential.

McK1 wrote:Clyde said he reminds him of Kenny Anderson.

scott skiles is one of the harder coaches to play for and he isn't having a problem with jennings.

skiles played and knows the pg position as well as any. i'll take his ability to judge if a guy can run a team over dantonis every day of the week.

Ag ain Jennings had 1 of the most prolific high school careers ever. If not for the age rule he'd have gone lotto. a 19 yr old from compton going half way around the world to prepare to be a pro should have not come under the statistical scrutiny he did. skiles called his old teammate from michigan state that played with Jennings out in Italy for firsthand knowledge to solidify his decision, whom did NY talk too.

What makes Skiles a better judge of what MDA wants and needs in a PG than MDA himself? McK1 that has to be one of the dumbest things anyone has ever said to me. This isn't about Jennings, it's about MDA and what he wants and needs as coach of the team. Walsh feels he has his coach and he's gonna give him what he needs. They likely both felt that he wasn't the guard for them. Sure he looks spectacular now on his team, but that doesn't mean that he's the right guard going forward for this team. I'm not gonna get all crazy over the kid. I've been watching BB long enough to have seen a lot of kids with his skills and it doesn't guarantee greatness or winning BB.

TMS wrote:the point is pretty simple, i don't see why there's any confusion... if u consider Jordan Hill a bust already then i guess every other bigman taken in this draft is a bust too in your eyes... & if not then you're judging players using a double standard & a "grass is always greener" approach when it comes to other teams' prospects in comparison to our own... either way, i find it pretty comical how some of u guys have come to the conclusion that we whiffed on Jordan Hill after 4 friggin games he's played in.

exactly.. this really isn't that hard to understand, but it is clear to see people's agendas here....and the double standards are in full effect...