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Moonangie
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11/12/2009  11:46 AM
Combo-guard for sure. Rubio is our PG, just as yet unsigned. But he will be. He will be.
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11/12/2009  11:57 AM
Douglas right now = the best Nate could ever be.

Neither can pass very well (although maybe TD develops this)
Both can shoot lights out
Both can get to the rim lightening quick (but TD is less likely to get blocked when doing so)

BUT

TD plays infinitely better defense. His defense is just SOLID.
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11/12/2009  11:59 AM
Wow... Nate's a bum now? Get back to me when Douglas wins a game for the Knicks.
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11/12/2009  11:59 AM
Moonangie wrote:Combo-guard for sure. Rubio is our PG, just as yet unsigned. But he will be. He will be.

At least Rubio can be acquired unlike the many "we should have drafted" talks...

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11/12/2009  12:01 PM
are we sure douglas can keep shooting like this? i thought his shot was a liability going into the season
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11/12/2009  12:01 PM
I rather have nate as our 6th man instead of Al..meaning for the future.
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11/12/2009  12:02 PM
JamaicanJetFan wrote:Douglas right now = the best Nate could ever be.

Neither can pass very well (although maybe TD develops this)
Both can shoot lights out
Both can get to the rim lightening quick (but TD is less likely to get blocked when doing so)

BUT

TD plays infinitely better defense. His defense is just SOLID.

Douglas is very fast, but he's not a good leaper and has short arms. He's 5 or 6 inches taller than Nate, but Nate's the better finisher.
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11/12/2009  12:04 PM
Ira wrote:
JamaicanJetFan wrote:Douglas right now = the best Nate could ever be.

Neither can pass very well (although maybe TD develops this)
Both can shoot lights out
Both can get to the rim lightening quick (but TD is less likely to get blocked when doing so)

BUT

TD plays infinitely better defense. His defense is just SOLID.

Douglas is very fast, but he's not a good leaper and has short arms. He's 5 or 6 inches taller than Nate, but Nate's the better finisher.

Short arms??? LOL

Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans "The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
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11/12/2009  12:08 PM
Olbrannon wrote:
Ira wrote:
JamaicanJetFan wrote:Douglas right now = the best Nate could ever be.

Neither can pass very well (although maybe TD develops this)
Both can shoot lights out
Both can get to the rim lightening quick (but TD is less likely to get blocked when doing so)

BUT

TD plays infinitely better defense. His defense is just SOLID.

Douglas is very fast, but he's not a good leaper and has short arms. He's 5 or 6 inches taller than Nate, but Nate's the better finisher.

Short arms??? LOL

man, i hate people with short arms.

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11/12/2009  12:10 PM
orangeblob - Douglas proved he could shoot at Florida State. Can he continue at this pace?

Of course he can. Why not? he has the intelligence to be a quick study after only a few NBA games and the tenacity and work ethic (based on his extremely strong supportive family) to only get better.

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11/12/2009  12:11 PM
IIRC the numbers were a 6'6 wingspan and a 8'1 standing reach.
Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans "The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
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11/12/2009  12:19 PM
rp wrote:
Moonangie wrote:Combo-guard for sure. Rubio is our PG, just as yet unsigned. But he will be. He will be.

At least Rubio can be acquired unlike the many "we should have drafted" talks...

He can be acquired... in 2011

Thanks for the help Ira, glad to see someone else notices that physical deficiencies actually matter sometimes, especially when you're not playing your natural position.

Seems like yet another fool's gold player that does some things well, great guy, great effort, but when it comes down to doing the basic things that the position requires he has a hard time.

We've got that type of player in spades.

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11/12/2009  12:49 PM
misterearl wrote:orangeblob - Douglas proved he could shoot at Florida State. Can he continue at this pace?

Of course he can. Why not? he has the intelligence to be a quick study after only a few NBA games and the tenacity and work ethic (based on his extremely strong supportive family) to only get better.

Not only did he prove he could score, he also proved he could score in big games... the bigger the game the more points he dropped.

Now, I don't want to make it sound like I consider Douglas in this class of player (because he isn't), but while PGs have been getting bigger, SGs have been getting smaller. Wade/Gordon come to mind.

And the only reason I bring that up is because the trend is moving towards "a backcourt should do this" as opposed to "a PG needs to be 6' and a SG needs to be 6'6"". I mean, look at those backcourts... Baron Davis is a bigger PG, Gordon is a smaller SG. Wade penetrates and passes, Chalmers bombs from range.

So, let's say all Douglas is is a defensive sparkplug that can bomb away? Wouldn't a guy like Joe Johnson compliment him greatly? Wouldn't a SG of the Roy/Turkoglu/Ginobili playstyle mold make a nice backcourt tandem?

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11/12/2009  12:59 PM
In a different offense, like a Princeton style for instance, Johnson and Douglas might work. Johnson and Crawford played plenty of minutes in the backcourt last night.

Our offense just is not that though. We have to have a dominant point guard that can set other players up.

Wade might be able to do it though. He made a comment today that there was a tiny chance that him and LeBron could team up... man I'm getting tired of all the talk...

Even if it's Wade though. It's like we're settling. Ideally we'd have the right size and ability for their positions... but hey, we're the Knicks, so screw it right? Play Douglas at point even though he has 2 assists in two games, and play Lee at center even though he was drafted as a combo forward.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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11/12/2009  1:36 PM
so jw you tell us what the knicks should do this season and down the road with the assets we have and dont have
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11/12/2009  1:41 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/12/2009  1:43 PM
So, did Douglas play pg when Duhon was on the court?

From what I've seen of him, he seems capable of playing some point but he didn't seem to have great court vision. The thing he does have is blazing speed. The guy is damn quick and can penetrate. Now, if he can penetrate and dish, then we have one important part of being a pg. That will come with time and to me that is not so much about vision but just being able to penetrate and break the defense down. Though, the better your vision the more of your team mates you can hit with passes of course.

I can't remember hearing of another rookie pg driving the opposing pg's mad with his defense. So much so that they are complaining to refs. Sounds like the makings of an all defensive pg...

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11/12/2009  1:43 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/12/2009  1:44 PM
he's showing SG skills to me so far this season... i don't see any orchestration like he showed in summer league.

i'd be much more comfortable letting Hughes play the PG & Douglas play SG on offense when those 2 are on the floor together

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11/12/2009  1:46 PM
misterearl wrote:In the immortal words of Arnold "Red" Auerbach. "I don't look for small forwards, point guards or centers... I look for basketball players"

Toney Douglas is a basketball player, playa.

Best post....that sums up my view.

Toney Douglas said it himself. He takes what the defense gives him. Duhon is not capable of doing that. On plays where Duhon gets stuck and takes terrible jumpers...Toney drives to the basket. Toney hasn't had the assist game yet but thats because the best number to call has been his own.

I tell you guys what though....after watching the game 3 times last night. The team looks totally different with Toney in the game. With duhon you notice all 4 guys at the 3pt line looking around with Duhon stuck cuz he has no creation ability. With Toney all of a sudden driving lanes open up and guys are taking wide open jumpers. Toney is also a drought stopper. Whne the Knicks couldn't score Toney found a way to score.

Thats a damn good basketball player we have there.

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11/12/2009  1:52 PM
so eny are you happy i picked him up in joes league??
Ira
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11/12/2009  1:55 PM
He's one of many players who is short for shooting guard, but doesn't have the court vision and passing skills you want at the point. But he's tough as nails, very fast and quick, plays with intensity and will work hard to improve his skills.
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