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djsunyc
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11/12/2009  8:33 AM
let's use danillo as an example - he had a big game earlier in the year but has been held in check since then. has d'antoni changed anything to try to get him going now that other teams get up on him from the perimeter?

yesterday, douglas was hitting jumpers off the pick. hawks started going over the screen in the 3rd quarter and that was the last you heard from douglas offensively. let's see if he runs anything different for him to get some open jumpers.

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11/12/2009  8:38 AM
who is defending him? I am basically saying what you are. This is a throw away year. Maybe he feels like letting them do what they want is the best way to keep them interested. Who knows. Knicks are going to offer Lebron and Wade max deals at the same time next year. When Wade turns them down they are going to go to Bosh. After that Amare. After that whoever Lebron tells them too.
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11/12/2009  9:14 AM
Remember...you can't make chicken salad out of chicken ****...not an excuse...well, kind of an excuse...

I just get frustrated with the fans sometimes...we want the 2010 plan; but, we don't want to deal with getting to 2010.

There are NO moves that the Knicks could have made last summer that would have made them any kind of contender this year....and those moves would have hindered us next summer.

D'Antoni is the coach you want running a contender....with the right players he is a fantastic coach...WAIT, that can be said for any of them. Would the Knicks be better with Doc Rivers? Phil Jackson? Greg Popovich? NO---they might be different...but not better.
Boston was awful....then, wow, they got a lot of new studs....stars...suddenly Doc Rivers was brilliant...

I am not saying that D'Antoni should not be held accountable for this year....he should...BUT...this year is a try-out, he should try to implement his system with this group, even if it doesn't work with some of the players...the Knicks need to know who could fit in this system along side the "stars" that they will get next summer.

It isn't fun now...but let's focus on what this year really is all about....

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11/12/2009  9:16 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/12/2009  9:17 AM
fishmike wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
djsunyc wrote:that's how many plays i saw tonight from d'antoni.

he ran an inbounds play to toney douglas twice.
he ran a screen play for al harrington twice.

that's it.

the rest of the game, 4 guys on the perimeter, 1 big trying to set a screen and a whole lot of nothing after it.

one on one trying to score. guys pulling up from 18+ feet out. gallo left to fend for himself. not one person crashing the offensive glass.

meanwhile darko has his ass permanently cemented to the end of the bench with jordan hill twirling his dreds.

and y'all think d'antoni is gonna use eddy? lol.

not good.

is anybody coaching the team?

If I owned this team he would be fired--simple. I don't like anything about how this guy runs the team. terrible coaching and the players dont play hard--what is left?

We need to change to a more conventional coach who believes in having two big players @ PF and C and demands and gets respect from his players to go 110% tilt. This is the worst we have been in 10 years.


I think he's absolutely the right coach right now. Who believes this current group of players is going to play hard like that? 75% of the team is gone next year. You run these guy down in practice and they arent doing anything for you. DJ/Briggs... are you really saying that Tom Thibodeau is going to push Al, Duhon, Lee, Hughes, etc to be a good defensive team?

MDA isnt the guy thats going to squeeze blood from the stone. Your 100% right about that. He needs guys that are going to play hard because they want to win. Thats not our team, and thats not this roster

+1

It's time to start building a basketball PROGRAM here. Lenny Wilkins and Larry Brown also "needed to get fired." Bottom line is this thing is rotten to the core. Are there coaches better than and GMs better than Walsh? Yes. Am I willing to let the painful process of rebuilding unfold before I levy my harshest criticisms? Absolutely.

People forget that this should've happened on Layden's watch. This should've happened when Ewing retired instead of riding the Luc Longley/Glen Rice/Travis Knight train. And he deferred the inevitable and Isiah followed suit and now it is THIS bad. Sucks, but "FIRE THE COACH" isn't a soultion--it's part of the tried and true problem here.

By the way, I think it is effing hilarious the turncoat who's stated he wants to coach his new "favorite" team is screaming for said coach's head

DLeethal wrote: Lol Rick needs a safe space
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11/12/2009  9:20 AM
My eighth grade traveling team had no stars and we ran the triangle offense every possession. We sucked donkey balls.
DLeethal wrote: Lol Rick needs a safe space
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11/12/2009  9:24 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:My eighth grade traveling team had no stars and we ran the triangle offense every possession. We sucked donkey balls.

Fire the coach!

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11/12/2009  9:29 AM
Andrew, as long as you are here, I have to ask why the dates on the site are displayed European style? You're throwing me off dude!

oohah

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11/12/2009  9:29 AM
popovich's spurs beat an at full strength toronto and dallas w/o duncan or parker. who the coach is makes a big difference.

avery johnson wouldn't be 1-8 with this squad.

Lenny Wilkins got canned in the same timespan with a better overall record, a play-off berth all while working with a truly cancerous knuckle-head squad led by crawful and mebury, a backbiting/backstabbing GM in thomas, plus dolan in full meddling mode and he didn't commit half of the questionable media or coaching decisions that MDA has.

fire yesterday

the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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11/12/2009  9:34 AM
oohah wrote:Andrew, as long as you are here, I have to ask why the dates on the site are displayed European style? You're throwing me off dude!

oohah

go to Profile/Localization and you can change it.

MS
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11/12/2009  10:09 AM
The offense really is a joke I haven't seen anything about of this regime to let us know they actually have a plan.

Gallo/Chandler need to be posted. The pick and roll needs to be run with other players. Try gallo, chandler, douglas. I don't know why Duhon started last night either.

Everyone knows that stupid play we insist on running with Lee and Duhon.

Douglas/Hughes/Gallo/Chandler/Lee
Nate/Harrington/Hill

That is the rotation going forward I don't understand what's going on out there. Right now our future is Toney Douglas which is very scary we need to get more people involved and actually push the ball. When was the last time you saw these losers bust their asses up the floor. When Eddy comes back i think Chandler goes to the bench he isn't driving he isn't being aggressive and he is settling for jumpers.

It's pretty simple we get ahead when we are aggressive and we get behind when we start launching jumpers.

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11/12/2009  10:36 AM
oohah wrote:Andrew, as long as you are here, I have to ask why the dates on the site are displayed European style? You're throwing me off dude!

oohah

Click on the "forum settings" link, then click "localization". You can change the date format in that area.

https:// It's not so hard.
playa2
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11/12/2009  10:37 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/12/2009  10:43 AM
Could that come from conditioning, why the knicks fold in the 4th qtr so much.

Why are other teams turning it up in the 2nd half.

It's almost in mike system you either go all out in 1st half and flounder in the 2nd half , or don't show up in the 1st half but play like their lively hood depended on it in the 2nd half.

So my question is could this team be out of basketball shape ?

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11/12/2009  10:39 AM
Honestly, its just the players. This system works for plenty of winning pro and college teams now. There should be a backup plan, but I guess you don't want to plan for stretches when every player on your team is off.

We have no legit, NBA starting point guard, and the guy we want to be our main shooter seems to have a real problem moving without the ball (Gallo). Your two other main scorers, Al and Chandler are not exactly lighting it up. Part of their problem is that whoever we put at two-guard, people can play way off of them and play help defense.

Everything is cohesive in this system, and the problem is that you're getting bad play all over the place.

Ha, just watched that stretch in the game where Al misses the dunk and then Gallo tries to cross-over someone and loses the ball. This is where amazing happens.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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11/12/2009  10:42 AM
Caseloads wrote:another question - why is wilson chandler so lost?

because he plays off of the lead scorers on the floor and those players are often lost

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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11/12/2009  10:53 AM
I would never advocate firing D'Antoni, but you've got to lay some blame on his feet for the ****ty play this season.

I heard TD was moving into the starting line up - I thought Great! Then, its at SG with Duhon? WTF?

And all to often, the play of this team is as described - everyone hang out outside the paint, pass it around, shoot.

As far as motivating guys in walk years- that is absolutely on the coach. Coach has to focus these guys on this season, and each game.

Everyone on this board thinks something is up with Dudoo. Can MDA who is far closer to the situation not see or not know what is up?

If he isn't trying because he is boozing it up, bench him. He will eventually realize that his chance of getting one more contract is slipping away and if he has half the balls that Curry does, he will shape up.

And that leads to this irrefutable point: Curry is motivated like never before. If D'Antoni REFUSES to adapt and use him to his maximum potential, then I will no longer think D'Antoni has what it takes to be a championship coach.

He may very ride on Lebron's coat tails, but he won't have engineered the success.

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11/12/2009  12:00 PM
basketball is meant to be played not coached
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11/12/2009  12:45 PM
djsunyc wrote:i am a d'antoni fan. i want him coaching in toronto.

but let's be objective about it - the guys hasn't done anything noteworthy here. he's getting paid top notch and nothing's improved with the team. players haven't improved and he's not even using his whole roster. so stop defending the guy like he's done everything possible and he's the victim here.

how about increasing the teams scoring average in his first season by almost 10pts. and not to mention, despite increasing the teams pace dramatically, turnovers decreased marginally. all with... wait for it... LESS TALENT than his predecessor.

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11/12/2009  12:57 PM
eViL wrote:
djsunyc wrote:i am a d'antoni fan. i want him coaching in toronto.

but let's be objective about it - the guys hasn't done anything noteworthy here. he's getting paid top notch and nothing's improved with the team. players haven't improved and he's not even using his whole roster. so stop defending the guy like he's done everything possible and he's the victim here.

how about increasing the teams scoring average in his first season by almost 10pts. and not to mention, despite increasing the teams pace dramatically, turnovers decreased marginally. all with... wait for it... LESS TALENT than his predecessor.

Isiah's last year with the Knicks
D'Antoni's first year with the Knicks

dig around and see what you will find.

here's a preview: with less talent than the year before, the knicks managed to climb from 23rd in offensive rating to 17th -- AND -- from 29th in defensive rating to 23rd. i didn't even have to look hard to find something noteworthy.

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11/12/2009  1:12 PM
eViL wrote:
eViL wrote:
djsunyc wrote:i am a d'antoni fan. i want him coaching in toronto.

but let's be objective about it - the guys hasn't done anything noteworthy here. he's getting paid top notch and nothing's improved with the team. players haven't improved and he's not even using his whole roster. so stop defending the guy like he's done everything possible and he's the victim here.

how about increasing the teams scoring average in his first season by almost 10pts. and not to mention, despite increasing the teams pace dramatically, turnovers decreased marginally. all with... wait for it... LESS TALENT than his predecessor.

Isiah's last year with the Knicks
D'Antoni's first year with the Knicks

dig around and see what you will find.

here's a preview: with less talent than the year before, the knicks managed to climb from 23rd in offensive rating to 17th -- AND -- from 29th in defensive rating to 23rd. i didn't even have to look hard to find something noteworthy.

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djsunyc
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11/12/2009  1:13 PM
wait...are we really comparing it to isiah's last season in ny? really? i'm talking about from his first day on the job till now...the team has regressed. comparing anything to isiah's last year is gonna look good.
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