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11/9/2009  9:56 AM
BasketballJones wrote:D'Antoni should coach some effort from these guys.

jones - broken record. each year, each squad, the last 7-8 years, its always the same thing, the coach needs to coach some effort....remember larry - "i didnt think i would need to coach effort". that's something you would think players brough to the game instiinctively.

teams a mess, coaching decisions are a mess and from the games i have seen this season, the knicks have packed it in with more than 70 games to play. disgraceful franchise.
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11/9/2009  9:57 AM
BasketballJones wrote:D'Antoni should coach some effort from these guys.

Effort is one thing you cannot coach. You need one or two of your best players showing the work ethic to everyone. If they do it, then everyone will follow suit. Question is, who in this team can they follow. Gallo is the only one I see but he is only in his 2nd year so I don't see that happening.
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11/9/2009  9:58 AM
NYKBocker wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:D'Antoni should coach some effort from these guys.

Effort is one thing you cannot coach. You need one or two of your best players showing the work ethic to everyone. If they do it, then everyone will follow suit. Question is, who in this team can they follow. Gallo is the only one I see but he is only in his 2nd year so I don't see that happening.

Yes you can. Just as Bip. I know he'll agree with me.

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11/9/2009  10:00 AM
BasketballJones wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:D'Antoni should coach some effort from these guys.

Effort is one thing you cannot coach. You need one or two of your best players showing the work ethic to everyone. If they do it, then everyone will follow suit. Question is, who in this team can they follow. Gallo is the only one I see but he is only in his 2nd year so I don't see that happening.

Yes you can. Just as Bip. I know he'll agree with me.

Bip can you chime in hear please? I have a 16 year old that I need to coach effort into.
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11/9/2009  10:02 AM
5 coaches in 7 years... yeah its obviously D'antoni's fault [/sarcasm]
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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11/9/2009  10:11 AM
kam77 wrote:5 coaches in 7 years... yeah its obviously D'antoni's fault [/sarcasm]

whose idea is it to start an undersized center w/o the physical strength to make up for it in Lee or have jared jeffries shoot 3's?

whose idea is it to put the ball in wilson chandler's hand as a decision maker for this offense?

who designs plays where your biggest mismatch on o is constantly neutralized before he touches the ball because you have him camped outside the 3 line where he has to either hoist silly 3's or try and beat guys off the dribble that he doesnt have the ability to.

dantoni may not can coach effort out of others but where is the effort in himself to put guys in a better position to succeed?

the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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11/9/2009  10:13 AM
McK1 wrote:
kam77 wrote:5 coaches in 7 years... yeah its obviously D'antoni's fault [/sarcasm]

whose idea is it to start an undersized center w/o the physical strength to make up for it

You write as if there are better options D'antoni is missing.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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11/9/2009  10:24 AM
goat or G.O.A.T?
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11/9/2009  10:25 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/9/2009  10:26 AM
McK1 wrote:
kam77 wrote:5 coaches in 7 years... yeah its obviously D'antoni's fault [/sarcasm]

whose idea is it to start an undersized center w/o the physical strength to make up for it in Lee or have jared jeffries shoot 3's?

whose idea is it to put the ball in wilson chandler's hand as a decision maker for this offense?

who designs plays where your biggest mismatch on o is constantly neutralized before he touches the ball because you have him camped outside the 3 line where he has to either hoist silly 3's or try and beat guys off the dribble that he doesnt have the ability to.

dantoni may not can coach effort out of others but where is the effort in himself to put guys in a better position to succeed?

So - who is the coach you want?
Why any good coach will accept this job?
Where you will find an idiot to deal with NY fans and media for other reason that fat paycheck?

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11/9/2009  10:28 AM
NYKBocker wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:D'Antoni should coach some effort from these guys.

Effort is one thing you cannot coach. You need one or two of your best players showing the work ethic to everyone. If they do it, then everyone will follow suit. Question is, who in this team can they follow. Gallo is the only one I see but he is only in his 2nd year so I don't see that happening.

Yes you can. Just as Bip. I know he'll agree with me.

Bip can you chime in hear please? I have a 16 year old that I need to coach effort into.


Maybe this guy can help?

https:// It's not so hard.
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11/9/2009  10:29 AM
kam77 wrote:
McK1 wrote:
kam77 wrote:5 coaches in 7 years... yeah its obviously D'antoni's fault [/sarcasm]

whose idea is it to start an undersized center w/o the physical strength to make up for it

You write as if there are better options D'antoni is missing.

milicic has proven he can defend the 5.

you only questioned this, you must agree with everything else

the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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11/9/2009  10:53 AM
STOP IT!!!!! GEEZ! Can we just accept that we have several players slumping, not playing up to par and no leader on the floor? Duhon, Chan and Nate when he was playing have been horrid!!! Then you have Al just being Al. This is not the best this team can play and I guarantee this team will play better than this. MDA had trouble setting his lineup out of preseason cuz no one was playing well and they continue to suck now.

No coach can get wins with a team this bad if they can't make a shot and then let that effect how they defend. That's always been our weakness. They only defend when they're making shots. My take is they'll eventually play better and get back to near mediocre level we all predicted.
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11/9/2009  11:15 AM
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JohnWallace44 wrote:DJ, you obviously haven't watched the games if this is your thinking.

Anyone have a tally of how many times that Duhon has pulled the ball back out when he has an open lane to the basket? I lost count.

Is he doing that because he's afraid of contact? He's got money on the game? He's retarded? He assumes anyone close will get a clean block on him? He thinks its better to bring it back out and try for a three?

I've never seen worse point guard performed on an NBA team. It's embarrassing.

then d'antoni should slow it down...but he refuses to. either he's very stubborn or he has zero idea on how to adjust...

dude has guys that can't shoot 3's chucking away. that's not good coaching right there. that's not to say he wouldn't win elsewhere, but with ny, he has been very dissapointing and i don't think you can refute that.

Not sure what you mean? Duhon is slowing it down. They can't run the 7SOL offense. They're clearly not running it when Duhon walks it up every time. He seriously passes up layups for some reason that I don't understand.

When Nate gets back, if I'm MikeD, I just tell him its his team and take my chances. If Hughes can keep playing at a decent level then Nate isn't as bad a mismatch as he usually is.

D'Antoni should be running more Princeton like sets to minimize the PG's influence on the offense. Its a real mess from top to bottom.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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11/9/2009  11:28 AM
I guess life is boring if you can't place blame...
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11/9/2009  11:33 AM
First game or two almost half of our shot attempts were three pointers. From the Hornets game onward we shot far fewer. Thats a good adjustment. The only guy camped out at the 3-pt line has been Gallo and maybe thats just where he's comfortable.

No, I think the problem was effort. We shot fewer 3's than the Bucks did in the last game, and hit over 50% of them. Its just that Duhon was useless, we didn't get the ball to our hot shooters, Lee was taking too many jumpers, we got killed on the offensive glass, gave up easy baskets inside...mostly effort issues.

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11/9/2009  11:42 AM
How to fix the Knicks:

Play Darko more.
Limit Lee's jumpshots.
Stop letting Wilson Chandler dribble the ball.
Run set plays for Gallo.
Cut Duhon.

Emphasis on the last one.
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11/9/2009  11:54 AM
arkrud wrote:
McK1 wrote:
kam77 wrote:5 coaches in 7 years... yeah its obviously D'antoni's fault [/sarcasm]

whose idea is it to start an undersized center w/o the physical strength to make up for it in Lee or have jared jeffries shoot 3's?

whose idea is it to put the ball in wilson chandler's hand as a decision maker for this offense?

who designs plays where your biggest mismatch on o is constantly neutralized before he touches the ball because you have him camped outside the 3 line where he has to either hoist silly 3's or try and beat guys off the dribble that he doesnt have the ability to.

dantoni may not can coach effort out of others but where is the effort in himself to put guys in a better position to succeed?

So - who is the coach you want?
Why any good coach will accept this job?
Where you will find an idiot to deal with NY fans and media for other reason that fat paycheck?

avery johnson
marquee job and it pays well. no real expectations to win and a roster that will be completely turned over giving someone the chance to build from scrath
avery works for espn, they get roasted by ny fans more than anybody, perhaps even the team...he knows what to expect.

the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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11/9/2009  12:03 PM
McK1 wrote:dantoni may not can coach effort out of others but where is the effort in himself to put guys in a better position to succeed?

Somehow, he did that last year.

Duhon looked like a starter for the first half of the season, Lee a near all-star. Harrington had one of his best years as a pro, Chandler looked like an up-and-comer, and even Larry Hughes had some fine games on both ends of the floor before his injury.

So what’s different this year? Is it really D’Antoni’s coaching? Or is that last year these guys were playing to stay in NY, this year they know they aren’t?

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11/9/2009  12:10 PM
Avery is a good coach but not the FA recruiting magnet MDA is. If we don't turn this around this year I'd be shocked but let's say we don't. We will have to really sell FA's on cap space in 2010 and 2011 and style of play with MDA that most players love. Walsh is gonna need some kind of move to get the ball rolling so FA's will have more confidence the team will be better. So long as Gallo, Hill and TD kelp showing progress I think that will be enough to lure FA's despite our final record.
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11/9/2009  12:20 PM
RemBee76 wrote:
McK1 wrote:dantoni may not can coach effort out of others but where is the effort in himself to put guys in a better position to succeed?

Somehow, he did that last year.

Duhon looked like a starter for the first half of the season, Lee a near all-star. Harrington had one of his best years as a pro, Chandler looked like an up-and-comer, and even Larry Hughes had some fine games on both ends of the floor before his injury.

So what’s different this year? Is it really D’Antoni’s coaching? Or is that last year these guys were playing to stay in NY, this year they know they aren’t?

down the stretch of the indy game mda elected to throw the ball into harrington possession after possession like he has duncan or garnett down there. harrington is not a guy who can post and beat the double and he is also a poor decision maker with the ball to boot. that goes to coaching. on the other side of the court you have lee and gallo, the top playmakers on the team, plus one is your best shooter and the other is your best finisher, twiddling their thumbs watching al fumble away what should've been a win.

the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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