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McK1
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11/7/2009  2:03 PM
kam77 wrote:Yes Jennings is putting up impressive #s in MIL but so did Ramon Sessions... and he isn't doing much this year. Mo Williams parlayed a nice year in MIL to a contract with the CAVS. They put up #s over there in MIL, but are they fools gold #s?

bucks re-upped mo williams. cavs traded for him a year or so later.

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11/7/2009  2:44 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/7/2009  2:46 PM
playa2 wrote:So why did we take gallanari that high when walsh didn't even see him play in person ? Did mike relationship with gallanari's father play any part in the decision...just keeping it real.

I see mike dantoni's name written all over that pick too.

Why revisit the Gallinari pick when he is developing into a very good player? He is not the problem, and lets face it, the Knicks might very well have taken a Mayo or Westbrook last year if they had been available, and if the rumors were true, we did try to make a deal with Memphis to get an extra pick. I thought we might have taken Augustine, but obviously they did not like him enough to pick him that high. The two guys a lot of folks like- Gordon and Lopez were not PGs, and although you can obviously make strong cases for them being better choices at #6 than Gallo, the jury is not out on which of those these three will eventually be the best player among them.

The Kevin Wilson report on Gallo was actually very accurate, except for the fact that he a much better defender than I, and almost everyone else, thought he was. Still a few mistakes now and then, but look at the Cleveland game, and watch how he moves around, especially how he keeps his man from getting the ball in good position.

By the way, don't underestimate Jame's little head to head with Gallo after the game. If Gallinari was just a bomber, it never would have happened. He saw Gallinari do a lot of things yesterday, was impressed, and pulling him over was recognition of this fact.

Don't know why Hill was higher on their board than certain other players, especially since they seemed to know early on that he was a "raw" talent. I think their decision not to take Jennings had to do with his size and the character issues (whether or not they were legit) that were floating around. Walsh recently said he made to trip to Europe to see Jennings and others, but Jennings was not at the scheduled event. My own belief is that any PG we took had to get MDA's approval, and if he did not like any of them, they would look at another position. I was not a Hill fan-my only interest in him was the rumor that GS might want him, and that we would have a better chance of getting Curry.

You are right about PG. This system really does need a PG with court vision, the ability to take it to the basket on a more consistent basis, and someone who can hit a variety of shots, not just the bombs that Duhon likes to take. Duhon is a capable backup, he is not starter material. Douglas was the best PG at the time the Knicks picked 29th, and they liked him a lot, but yeah, the Knicks could have taken Jennings or even Lawson at 8, and still gotten a capable big man later on. Don't know if Douglas can become a starter, but he plays hard and has a place in this league.

I don't think you can count out Hill potential to become a very productive player for us in the future. We will know a lot about his work ethic if he comes back next season without having added some muscle to his upper and lower body. Douglas, a workout freak, has to try to get into his head about working out (would not mind Gallo doing some workouts with Douglas, also). We also needed a center, and Walsh thinks Hill can be the kind of athletic center with a midrange shot that the team needs.

As for Chandler- thinking that he would be affected by MDA calling Gallo a great shooter is like a power hitter being upset because his manager calls their young shortstop the best base stealer he has ever seen. Talks of trading Chandler to Washington might have been more upsetting to Chandler, but why be upset about Gallo getting some praise for something that Chandler knows he is good at? What the Mets manager did with Daniel Murphy and Ryan Church before the recent baseball season was more damaging to a player, since they play similar positions. The MDA comment was apples and oranges.

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11/7/2009  2:58 PM
Paladin55, I'm not upset with gallo, im more upset with the reasoning on why Walsh and Mike chose him that high @ #6 overall.
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11/7/2009  2:59 PM
whaaaat, you can't be upset at gallo @6. gallo is a #1 overall pick in some years.
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11/7/2009  3:08 PM
metra wrote:playa, nothing matters this year. We're not trying to compete. Next year, if they don't have a PG who can run this offense then you can write the crackhead post.

But this year no one's trying to compete.


Metra They have to address the pg position next yr that's a no brainer, but tell me why wouldn't we address it this yr in a pg heavy draft for a potential proven starting pg. And if you believe that Toney Douglas will be our starting pg in 2010-11 season I would be very suprised.
Dantoni needs a pointman who's already familiar with his system if we are going to land some big fish next yr.


Couldn't we have drafted a big man next yr instead J.Hill this yr ?

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11/7/2009  3:09 PM
playa2 wrote:Paladin55, I'm not upset with gallo, im more upset with the reasoning on why Walsh and Mike chose him that high @ #6 overall.

Understood.

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11/7/2009  3:35 PM
I'd love to know what Lebron said in Gallo's ear after th game last night. Looked to me like he was getting a feel for his possible Pippen-role player.
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11/7/2009  6:21 PM
James also made it a point to talk to another young Knick. After the game, he and Danilo Gallinari, who had 17 points and made 4 of 8 from three-point range, met on the court.

"He told me to keep working, keep doing my thing," Gallinari said, "and keep working on my back strength."

It's interesting that James would make note of Gallinari's back situation. Is it a clear sign that James is paying close attention to things here in New York?

"It's a good feeling that he respects me," Gallinari said. "That's already a good thing."

LeBron often has done this with young players. In fact, a few seasons ago he stopped Nate Robinson on the court after a game at the Garden and offered him similar encouragement

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11/7/2009  6:40 PM
playa2 wrote:
metra wrote:playa, nothing matters this year. We're not trying to compete. Next year, if they don't have a PG who can run this offense then you can write the crackhead post.

But this year no one's trying to compete.


Metra They have to address the pg position next yr that's a no brainer, but tell me why wouldn't we address it this yr in a pg heavy draft for a potential proven starting pg. And if you believe that Toney Douglas will be our starting pg in 2010-11 season I would be very suprised.
Dantoni needs a pointman who's already familiar with his system if we are going to land some big fish next yr.


Couldn't we have drafted a big man next yr instead J.Hill this yr ?

Agree on Jennings. But I don't think the team needs to be any good before signing max contracts. The new players we sign will be willing to come based on what other players we're signing.

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11/8/2009  12:02 AM
orangeblobman wrote:whaaaat, you can't be upset at gallo @6. gallo is a #1 overall pick in some years.

I think that is quite a stretch. He is a legitimate top 5 pick in the Kenyon Martin Mike Miller draft but I don't see him as a number one and I am pleased with how he is developing.

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11/8/2009  10:02 PM
When and if Eddy Curry comes back, will he be the new whipping boy for walsh and danphoney to cover up the teams unacceptable start of the season. Next will be saying , what until we return to full strength ..nate -eddy etc...
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11/8/2009  10:12 PM
playa2 wrote:When and if Eddy Curry comes back, will he be the new whipping boy for walsh and danphoney to cover up the teams unacceptable start of the season. Next will be saying , what until we return to full strength ..nate -eddy etc...

So you want them to come up with the truth - this team sucks and no reason to watch this mess this year...
They know this better that you and me but we have the luxury to say it and actually skip some games. They can’t. Bad for them.

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