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11/5/2009  3:47 PM
I thought change occurred when you did something different to get different results. Someone needs to tell Dolan that despite replacing his team president and head coach, buying out contracts, moving players, hiring a new president and paying a ton for a name coach that nothing is going to change anyway.
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11/5/2009  3:50 PM
buddapaw wrote:Passing around the perimeter for a three point shot may be great if you have the right personnel, since we don't how about trying a new strategy. Missed three pointer means long rebounds and ultimately fast breaks for the opponent. Averaging 35 - 40 three point attempts a game with this squad is just STOOOPID

Is that really the offense or is that how it is being executed by the players on the court?

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11/5/2009  3:57 PM
McK1 wrote:Steph is still being escapegoated here...SMH

holy mother of all things to defend. Outside of one playoff match against the Spurs, I can't remember 1 thing that Marb could hang his hat on, outside of the contract he got with PHO.

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11/5/2009  4:02 PM
I don't think any Coach could win when their BEST player is D. Lee or Al Harrington.

The only coach in the league this season who I see doing a fantastic job with a crappy roster is Adelman in Houston and that's a franchise that established a culture with Yao and co. last season.

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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11/5/2009  4:10 PM
Bippity10 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
fishmike wrote:
thedpj wrote:Long time lurker... but I just can't take it anymore, so I had to post. Besides making these guys run more than everyone else, what does D'anfraudi teach them?

Defense is atrocious
Offensive-Awareness is atrocious

Passing is mediocre

We used to always say that the mark of a good coach is when the team has a well-drawn out play after a timeout. When was the last time we actually saw that? Its always drive and kick, a desperation shot, or a turnover. I'm sorry, I understand this team is full of middle class mercenaries due to 2010... but they really should be better than this. A good coach, and this team might have 3 wins.

good adjectives. What adjectives would you use to describe the skill and talent levels of the players on this roster? No need to break it down player by player... just glancing at the 9-10 rotation guys from a talent and skill standpoint. How would you describe the group over all?

Words like mediocre, atrocious and well below average come to my mind.

What coach is going to change this? Lenny Wilkins is a great chemistry guy.. lets try him. Larry Brown is a great defense and fundamentals guy... lets try him. Isiah is the great players guys... lets try him. DAntoni is the great offense guy... lets try him.

See a pattern?

Whats coaching got to do with it??? Whats coaching but a 2nd hand emotion?

We need better players. When we have those and the team looks lost lets talk X's and O's

His team has looked unprepared, and unmotivated.

Dear everyone: You guys refuse to listen to Bip. I told you that the year we said "it was okay to quit on LB because he's mean to us" that this would haunt us for a long-time. Our core players were either a part of that team or taught by someone who was. We are infected. I have seen this before at all levels of coaching. People think I'm off my rocker, but as I said then, I'm saying it again now, we are infected!!!! Unfortunately a shot is not enough to get rid of the infection

Well might not mean anything but there are others around like Allan Houston? And at least for TD I'd have to reckon 'Chahlie' is as close as a phone call if he has questions.

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11/5/2009  4:15 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
fishmike wrote:
thedpj wrote:Long time lurker... but I just can't take it anymore, so I had to post. Besides making these guys run more than everyone else, what does D'anfraudi teach them?

Defense is atrocious
Offensive-Awareness is atrocious

Passing is mediocre

We used to always say that the mark of a good coach is when the team has a well-drawn out play after a timeout. When was the last time we actually saw that? Its always drive and kick, a desperation shot, or a turnover. I'm sorry, I understand this team is full of middle class mercenaries due to 2010... but they really should be better than this. A good coach, and this team might have 3 wins.

good adjectives. What adjectives would you use to describe the skill and talent levels of the players on this roster? No need to break it down player by player... just glancing at the 9-10 rotation guys from a talent and skill standpoint. How would you describe the group over all?

Words like mediocre, atrocious and well below average come to my mind.

What coach is going to change this? Lenny Wilkins is a great chemistry guy.. lets try him. Larry Brown is a great defense and fundamentals guy... lets try him. Isiah is the great players guys... lets try him. DAntoni is the great offense guy... lets try him.

See a pattern?

Whats coaching got to do with it??? Whats coaching but a 2nd hand emotion?

We need better players. When we have those and the team looks lost lets talk X's and O's

D'Antoni is in an entirely different situation from any of the guys you mentioned. Isiah as a gm was a drama, center of attention person. He was always doing things to draw attention to himself, to make the big splash, and to flex his power. The situation was very dysfunctional for all of those guys. D'Antoni knows that he is backed by Walsh and Walsh has removed alot of the dysfunction that was left behind by Isiah. The Knicks as an organization are at least behaving in a professional manner. All D'Antoni needs to do is coach. He doesn't have to worry about a gm who minimally is a narcissist, and possibly a sociopath. D'Antoni isn't doing a good job of coachong, he isn't winning and he isn't developing his young players. His team has looked unprepared, and unmotivated. That goes on the coach.

didnt Lee, Nate and Chandler all have career years last year? Didnt he do everything possible to get Gallo involved in every possible way until the back just made it impossible?

Didnt we win more games last year than the previous year?

Am I watching something different than you are?

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11/5/2009  4:24 PM
Olbrannon wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
fishmike wrote:
thedpj wrote:Long time lurker... but I just can't take it anymore, so I had to post. Besides making these guys run more than everyone else, what does D'anfraudi teach them?

Defense is atrocious
Offensive-Awareness is atrocious

Passing is mediocre

We used to always say that the mark of a good coach is when the team has a well-drawn out play after a timeout. When was the last time we actually saw that? Its always drive and kick, a desperation shot, or a turnover. I'm sorry, I understand this team is full of middle class mercenaries due to 2010... but they really should be better than this. A good coach, and this team might have 3 wins.

good adjectives. What adjectives would you use to describe the skill and talent levels of the players on this roster? No need to break it down player by player... just glancing at the 9-10 rotation guys from a talent and skill standpoint. How would you describe the group over all?

Words like mediocre, atrocious and well below average come to my mind.

What coach is going to change this? Lenny Wilkins is a great chemistry guy.. lets try him. Larry Brown is a great defense and fundamentals guy... lets try him. Isiah is the great players guys... lets try him. DAntoni is the great offense guy... lets try him.

See a pattern?

Whats coaching got to do with it??? Whats coaching but a 2nd hand emotion?

We need better players. When we have those and the team looks lost lets talk X's and O's

His team has looked unprepared, and unmotivated.

Dear everyone: You guys refuse to listen to Bip. I told you that the year we said "it was okay to quit on LB because he's mean to us" that this would haunt us for a long-time. Our core players were either a part of that team or taught by someone who was. We are infected. I have seen this before at all levels of coaching. People think I'm off my rocker, but as I said then, I'm saying it again now, we are infected!!!! Unfortunately a shot is not enough to get rid of the infection

Well might not mean anything but there are others around like Allan Houston? And at least for TD I'd have to reckon 'Chahlie' is as close as a phone call if he has questions.

Having guys like Allan around is a start but it doesn't help when the guys are in the thick of things on the court. I think back to my basketball days when I was a young buck. I was confident, I thought I could take on the world. But I made dumb decisions. Coach was in my ear yelling at me, but it's tough to apply what someone is saying on the floor when you don't see it. Then I go to varsity. I'm playing next to the best player I've ever played with in my life. He's an unflappable PG. Shows no emotion, he was just a straight killer. Last 5 minutes he would kill you to get a rebound or a loose ball. When the team was f'in up he was calm cool and collected. When our offense stagnated he never cleared it out, he immediately became the coach on the floor pulled the ball out and ran a play. If you didn't run the play he motioned to coach to get you out. If you didn't play defense he motioned to coach to get you out. In the meantime like I said, while he was yelling he was never once a hypocrite. He always hustled on D. He never gave you the opportunity to question his actions, because he was always doing the right thing. There were at least 3 or 4 other guys just like him. As a young idiot had no choice but to behave like they did. I'm in my 30's now, and we play together all the time.

In a preseason game a team beat us 3 times in a row on back door cuts where we feel asleep. Coach is yelling and nobody is listening. My budd was so mad that he took the inbounds pass and threw it out of bounds on purpose and said he was going to continue to do this until we decided it was important to play defense. The fans thought he was crazy but everyone of us got the message. We are both in our 30's and play together now all the time. People think we are twins because our games and demeanors are so similar. It's beause I looked up to him and copied everything he did.

We seem to think this doesn't happen at the pro level, but this is exactly how it happens on the pro level. If the star players are Steph, Zach and Jamal and they just quit on their coach or take crazy shots in crunch time, or don't play defense guess what? This becomes acceptable to the young guys. They then ultimately do not develop. You can have all the talent in the world but if you are in the wrong environment.........it becomes an infection.

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11/5/2009  4:24 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/5/2009  4:27 PM
We need better players for sure. Outside of Chandler and Gallo, there is not one other player on this team that I can say is a solid offensive player that can also defend their position at an adequate level, and Chandler and Gallo are still learning on offense. The only thing MDA is teaching these guys is the pick and roll play. They are running that at a decent level. But we really don't have much more than that and when teams defend the pick and roll, we don't have any other option other than the iso play. No postups (other than Al's self-created post-ups). No princeton offense. No traingle. No screens. It is just, pick and roll or iso. I thought MDA was really learning with the emphasis on defense, but that preseason emphasis has not worked out on the court. This is mostly because he does not play Darko and insists on playing undersize people out of position. Lee cannot guard the post against a center, stop making him do that. Al is not a power forward, stop making him guard PFs. Duhon sucks, stop playing him and let Hughes run the point. Chandler is not a SG. MDA just needs to start coaching to his players' talents rather than trying to make these players fit into his system.
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11/5/2009  4:50 PM
They're not even employing his strategy. I don't know what they're thinking, but they have a team that's built for speed and they are pulling up and running vanilla offense every possession. How many times did the shot-clock run down last game?
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11/5/2009  5:23 PM
fishmike wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
fishmike wrote:
thedpj wrote:Long time lurker... but I just can't take it anymore, so I had to post. Besides making these guys run more than everyone else, what does D'anfraudi teach them?

Defense is atrocious
Offensive-Awareness is atrocious

Passing is mediocre

We used to always say that the mark of a good coach is when the team has a well-drawn out play after a timeout. When was the last time we actually saw that? Its always drive and kick, a desperation shot, or a turnover. I'm sorry, I understand this team is full of middle class mercenaries due to 2010... but they really should be better than this. A good coach, and this team might have 3 wins.

good adjectives. What adjectives would you use to describe the skill and talent levels of the players on this roster? No need to break it down player by player... just glancing at the 9-10 rotation guys from a talent and skill standpoint. How would you describe the group over all?

Words like mediocre, atrocious and well below average come to my mind.

What coach is going to change this? Lenny Wilkins is a great chemistry guy.. lets try him. Larry Brown is a great defense and fundamentals guy... lets try him. Isiah is the great players guys... lets try him. DAntoni is the great offense guy... lets try him.

See a pattern?

Whats coaching got to do with it??? Whats coaching but a 2nd hand emotion?

We need better players. When we have those and the team looks lost lets talk X's and O's

D'Antoni is in an entirely different situation from any of the guys you mentioned. Isiah as a gm was a drama, center of attention person. He was always doing things to draw attention to himself, to make the big splash, and to flex his power. The situation was very dysfunctional for all of those guys. D'Antoni knows that he is backed by Walsh and Walsh has removed alot of the dysfunction that was left behind by Isiah. The Knicks as an organization are at least behaving in a professional manner. All D'Antoni needs to do is coach. He doesn't have to worry about a gm who minimally is a narcissist, and possibly a sociopath. D'Antoni isn't doing a good job of coachong, he isn't winning and he isn't developing his young players. His team has looked unprepared, and unmotivated. That goes on the coach.

didnt Lee, Nate and Chandler all have career years last year? Didnt he do everything possible to get Gallo involved in every possible way until the back just made it impossible?

Didnt we win more games last year than the previous year?

Am I watching something different than you are?


This year that is not happening. You also are talking about guys who were in their third year who were getting minutes all along. Larry Brown played them as rookies and he had vets that were a part of the plan at that time. There is a lottery pick and a first round pick sitting on the bench not developing at all. I know that you don't need me to point that out to you. What is the point of not giving them any or little minutes when this team apparently is incappable of winning with vets who will be gone next year anyway.
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11/6/2009  10:53 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
fishmike wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
fishmike wrote:
thedpj wrote:Long time lurker... but I just can't take it anymore, so I had to post. Besides making these guys run more than everyone else, what does D'anfraudi teach them?

Defense is atrocious
Offensive-Awareness is atrocious

Passing is mediocre

We used to always say that the mark of a good coach is when the team has a well-drawn out play after a timeout. When was the last time we actually saw that? Its always drive and kick, a desperation shot, or a turnover. I'm sorry, I understand this team is full of middle class mercenaries due to 2010... but they really should be better than this. A good coach, and this team might have 3 wins.

good adjectives. What adjectives would you use to describe the skill and talent levels of the players on this roster? No need to break it down player by player... just glancing at the 9-10 rotation guys from a talent and skill standpoint. How would you describe the group over all?

Words like mediocre, atrocious and well below average come to my mind.

What coach is going to change this? Lenny Wilkins is a great chemistry guy.. lets try him. Larry Brown is a great defense and fundamentals guy... lets try him. Isiah is the great players guys... lets try him. DAntoni is the great offense guy... lets try him.

See a pattern?

Whats coaching got to do with it??? Whats coaching but a 2nd hand emotion?

We need better players. When we have those and the team looks lost lets talk X's and O's

D'Antoni is in an entirely different situation from any of the guys you mentioned. Isiah as a gm was a drama, center of attention person. He was always doing things to draw attention to himself, to make the big splash, and to flex his power. The situation was very dysfunctional for all of those guys. D'Antoni knows that he is backed by Walsh and Walsh has removed alot of the dysfunction that was left behind by Isiah. The Knicks as an organization are at least behaving in a professional manner. All D'Antoni needs to do is coach. He doesn't have to worry about a gm who minimally is a narcissist, and possibly a sociopath. D'Antoni isn't doing a good job of coachong, he isn't winning and he isn't developing his young players. His team has looked unprepared, and unmotivated. That goes on the coach.

didnt Lee, Nate and Chandler all have career years last year? Didnt he do everything possible to get Gallo involved in every possible way until the back just made it impossible?

Didnt we win more games last year than the previous year?

Am I watching something different than you are?


This year that is not happening. You also are talking about guys who were in their third year who were getting minutes all along. Larry Brown played them as rookies and he had vets that were a part of the plan at that time. There is a lottery pick and a first round pick sitting on the bench not developing at all. I know that you don't need me to point that out to you. What is the point of not giving them any or little minutes when this team apparently is incappable of winning with vets who will be gone next year anyway.
doesnt change the fact that last year our young players were the focus, and that they all got better as players. If they didnt get better I am sure MDA would be knocked for hurting their development.

As for this year we are 5 games into an 82 game season. I think its pretty clear he wanted to ride the veterans early and get off to a decent start. Is there anything wrong with that? If we are a .400 team after 40 games and and Hill and Douglas are still riding pine then you have a beef. Declaring it now is premature.

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11/6/2009  11:01 AM
fishmike wrote:
Whats coaching got to do with it??? Whats coaching but a 2nd hand emotion?

Whats coaching got to do, got to do with it???
Who needs a coach when a coach can be broken...

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11/6/2009  11:06 AM
kam77 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Whats coaching got to do with it??? Whats coaching but a 2nd hand emotion?

Whats coaching got to do, got to do with it???
Who needs a coach when a coach can be broken...


MDA should start people in their hometown.

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