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djsunyc
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11/2/2009  9:51 AM
s3231 wrote:I was also watching that Toronto-Orlando game yesterday and I have to say that Bosh was very impressive. He showed an intensity on the defensive end that I haven't seen from him up till this point. If he can keep that intensity up for the rest of the season, Toronto will be a very tough team to stop.

here's my breakdown of bosh after watching basically every raptors game over the past 3.5 seasons:

- he is a very good mid range shooter - maybe the best for the pf position
- he is a good rebounder, not great, but good
- he draws alot of fouls
- he plays and works hard
- his offense does not come easy - he really has to work for it - he is not a natural scorer
- when you get physical with him, it throws him off his game
- he is not a big shot player - when it's crunch time, bosh is not one to step up
- he is not a willing passer
- he does not intimidate anyone in the lane
- his man to man defense is not good

the guy is the goods...and if he comes to the knicks, you all will love him...until you realize he doesn't come up big when it's needed most which will start the criticisms. i'll give you an example from yesterday's game, he and dwight get into a little altercation down the stretch - pivotal point. what happens after that? bosh does nothing and dwight gets all pumped up and gets all the big rebounds. you put a big time guard with him and you should be good.

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11/2/2009  9:56 AM
djsunyc wrote:
s3231 wrote:I was also watching that Toronto-Orlando game yesterday and I have to say that Bosh was very impressive. He showed an intensity on the defensive end that I haven't seen from him up till this point. If he can keep that intensity up for the rest of the season, Toronto will be a very tough team to stop.

here's my breakdown of bosh after watching basically every raptors game over the past 3.5 seasons:

- he is a very good mid range shooter - maybe the best for the pf position
- he is a good rebounder, not great, but good
- he draws alot of fouls
- he plays and works hard
- his offense does not come easy - he really has to work for it - he is not a natural scorer
- when you get physical with him, it throws him off his game
- he is not a big shot player - when it's crunch time, bosh is not one to step up
- he is not a willing passer
- he does not intimidate anyone in the lane
- his man to man defense is not good

the guy is the goods...and if he comes to the knicks, you all will love him...until you realize he doesn't come up big when it's needed most which will start the criticisms. i'll give you an example from yesterday's game, he and dwight get into a little altercation down the stretch - pivotal point. what happens after that? bosh does nothing and dwight gets all pumped up and gets all the big rebounds. you put a big time guard with him and you should be good.

So he is a really good version of Charles Smith?????

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11/2/2009  10:27 AM
Bosh looks really good with more talent around him and healthy talent at that.

I do not believe he's a franchise player that can be a centerpiece of a championship team. I do however think he's a max player and I would certainly sign him for that money. He's a 25/10 frontcourt player in his prime. At the very worst he is a wonderful asset to have on your roster. We dont have anything that sniffs the talent level that Bosh is at.

Its much easier to make blockbuster trades when you have a player like Bosh to make them with, and there will always be a market for that.

If Bosh doesnt work out here I could certainly see him being the centerpiece of a trade that reloads our roster with talent. The Jalen Rose for Artest, Miller and Mercer.

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11/2/2009  10:39 AM
BRIGGS wrote:IF LBJ says anything but YES two seconds after FA midnight---we need to have a Jet waiting to pick up Bosh with a Max contract in tow.


Not a fan of Bosh.

Something about his body language and his awful hair style that just rub me the wrong way. I don't trust him physically either.

After Lebron and Wade --- I think I'd prefer to after Joe Johnson for before Bosh. Amare - I'm not so sure about anymore -- I may take Bosh over Amare but that could change.

Joe Johnson and Gallo would give us (2) really nice perimeter scorers. Throw in Amare or Bosh with Joe and we have a nice 3 headed offensive attack to build around. I'd take my chances with Joe, Gallo and Amare for the next 4-5 years...if we can't get one of the big 2.

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11/2/2009  10:42 AM
djsunyc wrote:
s3231 wrote:I was also watching that Toronto-Orlando game yesterday and I have to say that Bosh was very impressive. He showed an intensity on the defensive end that I haven't seen from him up till this point. If he can keep that intensity up for the rest of the season, Toronto will be a very tough team to stop.

here's my breakdown of bosh after watching basically every raptors game over the past 3.5 seasons:

- he is a very good mid range shooter - maybe the best for the pf position
- he is a good rebounder, not great, but good
- he draws alot of fouls
- he plays and works hard
- his offense does not come easy - he really has to work for it - he is not a natural scorer
- when you get physical with him, it throws him off his game
- he is not a big shot player - when it's crunch time, bosh is not one to step up
- he is not a willing passer
- he does not intimidate anyone in the lane
- his man to man defense is not good

the guy is the goods...and if he comes to the knicks, you all will love him...until you realize he doesn't come up big when it's needed most which will start the criticisms. i'll give you an example from yesterday's game, he and dwight get into a little altercation down the stretch - pivotal point. what happens after that? bosh does nothing and dwight gets all pumped up and gets all the big rebounds. you put a big time guard with him and you should be good.

Bosh isn't even the best player on his team -- Bargnani is Toronto's best player.

djsunyc
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11/2/2009  10:45 AM
i think bargnani is a top flight scorer...but bosh at least grabs 10+ boards...bargs is having problems boxing out and grabbing boards. so all around bosh is better, but bargnani, imho, is the guy the offense should be funneled through. they keep feeding bosh, but at times, forget about bargs. but that's a discussion for another forum
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11/2/2009  10:48 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/2/2009  10:48 AM
andrea agrees with you dj:

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11/2/2009  12:20 PM
I have to see more from Bosh before I give him a Max deal. I need to see him play at this level, and I need to see him stay healthy.

One of my fears is that we will sign Bosh or Wade and have them sitting in suits on the bench for half of their Knicks career. Or that they break down completely on the second half of their contracts.

I have a different thought on the MaxFA situation now that Gallo is looking like a player.

I think Joe Johnson and Gallo could potentially play a devastating two man game with their shooting, skill, and smarts. If they played on the same side, someone's going to have to bring a double team when one is on, so you're going to have to leave one open, or Johnson/Gallo can reverse the ball to hopefully skilled enough players to take advantage.

Maybe you can pull Anthony Morrow from the Warriors. He is restricted along with CJ Watson.

Kyle Lowry would be a HUGE target for me if I'm Walsh. The kid plays fast, and he looks for contact, something that I've been begging for on this board since Marbs lost his juice. Houston can't overpay Lowry with a PG already established there right?

PG: Lowry - bench: Douglas
SG: Johnson - bench: _______
SF: Chandler - bench: Jeffries
PF: Gallo - bench: Hill/Jeffries
C: ______ - bench: Hill/Jeffries

Morrow would be tough to get, so can't count on that one... that would leave you with a serious hole up front. I'd target a guy like Ike Diogu for a small contract. Looking at the projected 2nd round from NBADraft.net, Jerome Jordan would be a nice pick if you could get him at #32 overall.

I think that you'd be decent with a team like that and the next year you could get Prince, Gasol... AK47 on a mid-level deal would be an interesting piece for this team.

Bosh would require a lot of other pieces. Pieces that are named LeBron... in order to really get us over the top.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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11/3/2009  7:48 AM
Finestrg wrote:
s3231 wrote:I was also watching that Toronto-Orlando game yesterday and I have to say that Bosh was very impressive. He showed an intensity on the defensive end that I haven't seen from him up till this point. If he can keep that intensity up for the rest of the season, Toronto will be a very tough team to stop.

Hey as good as Bosh was yesterday, and he was excellent again, how good and DEEP is that Magic team? Man. No Carter yesterday. And also no Pietrus. Yet they still go into Toronto & pretty much handle the Raptors & won the game (they were up pretty big earlier until the Raptors got it closer and made a game of it). They're finally getting some decent contibution outta JJ Redick too - this guy stepped up big with 27 yesterday. It took him a little while but since last year I've noticed he's playing more and more like he belongs in the NBA. And to think this guy might not even play most nights when Vince, Pietrus & Lewis are back..I betcha MDA wishes he had this kid Redick shooting the rock for us right now..

I really think that's the team to beat this year guys. As good as the Lakers and Boston are and as good as Lebron makes that Cavs team look, this Magic club is the best team in the NBA imho. That team had a phenomenal off-season...I love how they put that team together. The only thing you can say is that they're a little inexperienced but that doesn't even hold water -- this team went to the finals last year. And I think they're hungry to get back. They don't even have Rashard Lewis playing yet...I'd love to see Orlando/Lakers this year...I think the Magic beat 'em this time..

Totally agree with you on how deep that team is (although I still think Boston is the best right now). They really do have an abundance of talent. Yet, I'm not going to lie, everytime I think of how good this Orlando team is I can't help but wonder how much more dangerous they would be if they had the money to hold on to Turk too.

This is why NY has such a great advantage that we haven't been able to use properly since Grunfeld was here. If the Knicks can stockpile the right talent, they have the money to not only keep those players, but also add another piece (a la Vince Carter). Hopefully Donnie finds a way to take advantage of this during his tenure here.

"This is a very cautious situation that we're in. You have to be conservative in terms of using your assets and using them wisely. We're building for the future." - Zeke (I guess not protecting a first round pick is being conservative)
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11/3/2009  8:01 AM
LivingLegend wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
s3231 wrote:I was also watching that Toronto-Orlando game yesterday and I have to say that Bosh was very impressive. He showed an intensity on the defensive end that I haven't seen from him up till this point. If he can keep that intensity up for the rest of the season, Toronto will be a very tough team to stop.

here's my breakdown of bosh after watching basically every raptors game over the past 3.5 seasons:

- he is a very good mid range shooter - maybe the best for the pf position
- he is a good rebounder, not great, but good
- he draws alot of fouls
- he plays and works hard
- his offense does not come easy - he really has to work for it - he is not a natural scorer
- when you get physical with him, it throws him off his game
- he is not a big shot player - when it's crunch time, bosh is not one to step up
- he is not a willing passer
- he does not intimidate anyone in the lane
- his man to man defense is not good

the guy is the goods...and if he comes to the knicks, you all will love him...until you realize he doesn't come up big when it's needed most which will start the criticisms. i'll give you an example from yesterday's game, he and dwight get into a little altercation down the stretch - pivotal point. what happens after that? bosh does nothing and dwight gets all pumped up and gets all the big rebounds. you put a big time guard with him and you should be good.

Bosh isn't even the best player on his team -- Bargnani is Toronto's best player.

For this team to improve--we need an additional frontcourt player. You cannot compete against the top tier teams with 4 SF and an undersized C. If you had D Lee with Bosh--then you have a lot of talent on that frontline and both are not exclusively post players as they have a diversified game with the mid range shot.

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11/3/2009  9:24 AM
Cosign.

Lebron may never win a chip. Face it... it's just really hard to do.

I think LBJ plus some roll players would have a harder time of it than Lee and Bosh plus some roll players.

In fact, I feel Lee and Bosh plus what we have currently would beat the current Cavs team in a best of seven.

Let it be known: I believe in the Knicks this year-- deep into the playoffs, I swear to you my brothers...
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11/3/2009  9:29 AM
Lebron would win a chip easily with Gallo
WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
Chris Bosh is hitting an elite level type of play right now

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